Pop Chart 11/7

[ted11804]

Yes, Britney deserves Top 10. Nothing more than "My Love Is Like...Wo" performance though (#8 for a few weeks)

Looks like Trapt won't be jumping to #3 this week. Santana should get a #3 peak, and Fountains of Wayne makes Top 5.

Predictions for top 50 debuts over the next 4 weeks:
11/7
Christina Aguilera - The Voice Within
Youngbloodz f/ Lil Jon - Damn!

11/14
Outkast - The Way You Move
O.A.R. - Hey Girl
Linkin Park - Numb
Kiley Dean - Who Will I Run To?

11/21
Jessica Simpson - With You
Good Charlotte - Hold On
**(right when Young Gunz is about to make it, it will be passed by faster rising songs, and eventually just lose its bullet.)
Nelly - Iz U

11/28
Willa Ford - A Toast To Men
Sean Paul f/ Sasha - I'm Still In Love With You
Dashboard Confessional - Hands Down
***surprise song***

[ListenToMe]

"Me Against The Music" is a horrible song and does NOT deserve a Top 10 placing. Hopefully it won't go Top 10 and radio would definitely have got it right!

[jond7699]

What is wrong with this picture when quality music is pretty much ignored while Fountains O Wayne go top 5. Thank god for Trapt. Who hopefully will keep them out of the top 3 ugh. I think "Me 'Against The Music" should definitely go top ten. I can;t believe how fast this song has slowed down. It just doesnt make sense.

[radiorules]

It makes perfect sense that this song is slowing down this fast. When it was in the +2000 gains i already saw it's coffin while many were acting like it was going to be Britney's biggest hit. It is never ever healthy for a song to gain like that, because then you know it is going to slow down horribly and i was one of the few people that even looked passed the +2000 gain, because +2000 does scream "Massive Hit" on the outside, but on the inside it whispers "Big Bomb". Those huge gains have hurt Britney in the long run. It would've been much better if the song gained like +800 every week, because now when November 18th arrives i wonder where MATM is even going to be on the charts.

JCMF3, whatever, i did not mis represent anything because yesterday Britney was only 25 spins behind Staci, and now she is 50 spins behind her. You are just mad because you were so sure it was going top ten.

As for my prediction of what's to come, i think Britney has peaked last week at #13, but she probably won't lose her bullet until 7days from now. I can see it gaining a few more spins for a few more days, but that's about it. It's too bad the song didn't peak at #14 huh? Just Joking.

[j]

JCMF3 said:

What you forgot to mention is that many songs are down from yesterday because of stations playing Halloween music. Notice that yesterday, for example, No Doubt was gaining about 1060 spins, and this morning their gains are now 950 spins. Same thing with many other songs on the chart (Clay, Outkast, Trapt...)

So please, if you're going to present facts, at least present the whole story and not just your own version to satisfy your personal agenda...

You forgot to roll your eyes at him, so I'll do it for you. ( ) We should always roll our eyes at people who misrepresent facts.

[jond7699]

I was just hoping that song would reach all expectations. It is certainly batter than her last two first singles IS4U and OIDIA

[chebingeo]

Hilary Duff has lost her bullet :'(

Yet Baby Boy is showing no signs of going anytime soon >:(

[JCMF3]

radiorules said:

It makes perfect sense that this song is slowing down this fast. When it was in the +2000 gains i already saw it's coffin while many were acting like it was going to be Britney's biggest hit. It is never ever healthy for a song to gain like that, because then you know it is going to slow down horribly and i was one of the few people that even looked passed the +2000 gain, because +2000 does scream "Massive Hit" on the outside, but on the inside it whispers "Big Bomb".

Don't say "never ever". Celine Dion's My Heart Goes On gained similar numbers for its first three weeks and spent 9 weeks @ #1. Yes, it did have a big drop, but nonetheless, it was one of the top 15 biggest pop hits of 1998.

And looking at the stations' playlists, I still think this song may hold onto a bullet for a couple of weeks. Out of the top 20 stations playing it spinwise, only 2 have decreased spins (by about 2 spins from last week). So, like I said last week, maybe the song is just sitting comfortably in the medium rotation of many stations. I won't give up on MATM yet... :)

JCMF3, whatever, i did not mis represent anything because yesterday Britney was only 25 spins behind Staci, and now she is 50 spins behind her. You are just mad because you were so sure it was going top ten.

I don't believe I ever used the word "misrepresent", but your statement was (as usual) attacking one song when looking at the medibase chart clearly showed that many other songs suffered a major loss in gains from yesterday today. Like my example - No Doubt lost over 100 spins from their gains from one day to the next! :o

My point is - if you're going to make a point, at least get all the facts correct...

[radiorules]

um, not really. The only reason No Doubt lost 100 gains was because it's part of the life of the single. It had nothing to do with that Halloween crap. It's kind of fishy how Britney suffered the most out of all the songs yesterday. Down to +254

[xtinasnumerounofan]

I've noticed that there are 3 posters who love to find fault with any and everything that radiorules posts. I'm not going to pinpoint any of you three out, but it is so blatantly obvious. Radiorules, has really toned down his behavior, and IMO is behaving himself. So what if he wants to throw Christina in there for an analogy. I am quite pleased when Christina Aguilera has a success on her hands; I feel she is more worthy than any other artist out there. Therefore, it is of no surprise when I cite her accomplishments or express my delight that she is receiving the benefits from her arduous labors, because her music touches me on multiple levels. Radiorules can simply use her in an analogy or something just like I do, yet he gets pounced on. Granted, he didn't have the best of reputations over at R&R but surely I'm not the only one that believes in having multiple chances. This is just the way I see things, you all may have a different viewpoint. Radiorules has definitely been better here at the new boards, and sure he likes to talk about Christina (as do I) and she comes up in most topics, but gosh, must you all really jump on him so much? Maybe he wouldn't have been so hostile in the first place if you all didn't jump down his throat? Let him express his views, let him use his analogies and comparisons-- I do it and never get jumped on-- it must be that he has more posts than I do, because really since he has been here I've noted remarkable change for the better. All I'm asking is for us to all get along, and maybe lighten up on Radiorules a little, and let's all sing a line from TVW. ;)

[pophector]

Return to Tigercub you! ;)

[allow that]

pophector said:

Return to Tigercub you! ;)

LOL seriously. No one even complained about Radiorules talking about Christina right now... it's just annoying that he bashes Britney in multiple topics every chance he gets. I'm not even a britney fan and it's annoying to me.

[radiorules]

I never bash Britney! Would you please find a better word than "Bash" because i don't do that. All i do is just state the obvious about her, many of you take that as a dis simply because i am a Christina fan. But if it was someone else that wasn't a Christina fan and he said the same thing i did, no one would've jumped down his throat.

Xtinasnumerounofan, i really appreciate everything you said! Thank you. And yes it is always the same 3 members, i will say their names though. Jersey Boy, JCMF3, and as usual, Shadowblue/J.

Britney, +243 :o She lost 94 spins from yesterday! Ouch!

[thisbeautifulmess]

Radiosucks gets into trouble due to his intended (or unintended) actions of misinterpreting facts/data. And the users that see through the flaws in his logic call him on that. There is nothing wrong with that. If he did a better job of analyzing and presenting data, he would win his debates and instead of people not respecting his arguements, they would be jealous of his abilities/intelligence!

[radiorules]

thisbeautifulmess said:

Radiosucks gets into trouble due to his intended (or unintended) actions of misinterpreting facts/data. And the users that see through the flaws in his logic call him on that. There is nothing wrong with that. If he did a better job of analyzing and presenting data, he would win his debates and instead of people not respecting his arguements, they would be jealous of his abilities/intelligence!

No, that's completely not the case. Whenever i present data they might not be 100% accurate, but most of the time it's the smallest errors that gets focused on by all these members, just so they can ignore the real data because they probably don't want to admit to anything to themselves. The perfect example would be today. I stated that Britney was losing spins, then someone comes in and tells me a lot of other songs lost spins due to Halloween. But honestly, that doesn't make a difference! Britney still lost spins and they ignore that fact and concetrate on the "Halloween" theory even though that might not even be true after all. Halloween airplay is not going to take away spins from the current singles, it takes away spins from the recurrent singles. So instead of x station playing "Rock Your Body", they play "Thriller", all the other current songs shouldn't have a problem. But people try to find everyway possible to prove my data wrong just so they wouldn't have to face the truth.

[JCMF3]

radiorules said:

Halloween airplay is not going to take away spins from the current singles, it takes away spins from the recurrent singles. So instead of x station playing "Rock Your Body", they play "Thriller", all the other current songs shouldn't have a problem. But people try to find everyway possible to prove my data wrong just so they wouldn't have to face the truth.

I presented a "theory"... you are presenting a "fact". How do you KNOW that stations replace recurrents with seasonal music and not the currents? You don't... so at least present it as a speculation...

I'm not claiming my theory is the 100% truth (the Halloween theory), but it certainly is plausible. I was not presenting an excuse but a possible explanation as to why many songs had decreased gains.

I know that MATM is starting to lose its grip on pop radio. I hope that it can resurge, but that is highly unlikely because these types of songs usually do not "rebound" on pop radio. Just please when you present facts, please do so unbiasedly. You would end much of the posts against you if you did that.

[Mega248]

radiorules said:

Britney, +243 :o She lost 94 spins from yesterday! Ouch!

No, her gain went down 94 spins. She only lost 23 spins from yesterday.

[j]

Xtinasnumerounofan said:

I've noticed that there are 3 posters who love to find fault with any and everything that radiorules posts. I'm not going to pinpoint any of you three out, but it is so blatantly obvious. Radiorules, has really toned down his behavior, and IMO is behaving himself. So what if he wants to throw Christina in there for an analogy. I am quite pleased when Christina Aguilera has a success on her hands; I feel she is more worthy than any other artist out there. Therefore, it is of no surprise when I cite her accomplishments or express my delight that she is receiving the benefits from her arduous labors, because her music touches me on multiple levels. Radiorules can simply use her in an analogy or something just like I do, yet he gets pounced on. Granted, he didn't have the best of reputations over at R&R but surely I'm not the only one that believes in having multiple chances. This is just the way I see things, you all may have a different viewpoint. Radiorules has definitely been better here at the new boards, and sure he likes to talk about Christina (as do I) and she comes up in most topics, but gosh, must you all really jump on him so much? Maybe he wouldn't have been so hostile in the first place if you all didn't jump down his throat? Let him express his views, let him use his analogies and comparisons-- I do it and never get jumped on-- it must be that he has more posts than I do, because really since he has been here I've noted remarkable change for the better. All I'm asking is for us to all get along, and maybe lighten up on Radiorules a little, and let's all sing a line from TVW. ;)

I respectfully disagree.

And you know that kind of post will trigger a long essay from me, so here goes...

radiosucks did tone down a little when these boards first started, but he's now back to his usual nonsense. I'm not blind either - I do see when someone was trying, even half-heartedly. But I don't see how his behavior now is different from before when just recently he acted as if he knew what I was thinking e.g. "the only reason why shadowblue doesn't want December spins counted is because it would give Beautiful the edge. If Avril had a bigger edge in December, he would definitely want them counted." Firstly it was ridiculous because I had already stated that I believed the December spins should be counted. Secondly, it's obvious he's just trying to start a Christina argument involving me. Is this the type of post from someone who has changed for the better? This was clearly not a sign of someone trying to behave.

Another obvious indication that he obviously has no intention of getting along with anyone else is his constant putting down of Britney. Find me a Britney fan who isn't annoyed at his posts.

radiosucks himself knows he misrepresents facts. During his incarnation as RayRomano on the boards, when trying to pretend that he wasn't radiosucks, he said "I'm sorry, radiosucks posts a lot of lies, I don't".

Even if you really think that radiosucks is less negative than before, well, I think -999,999,999 is less negative than -1,000,000,000 too.

Well, let's hear from him. Is he really trying to get along with other posters? Is he really trying to post accurate and truthful facts? Does he really think of possible alternative reasons to explain a situation instead of coming up with his own twisted version of events? If his answer is yes to any of these questions, well then that's another lie from him, so what's new.

Let's face it - he embarrasses even other Christina fans. And let's not talk about multiple chances. He's had many and he hasn't changed one bit. Alright alright, since Tigercub bothered to post about this, let's give radiosucks one more chance. Let's see whether he can resist putting supposed-Christina-competitors down for even a week. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt the next time he misrepresents the facts like I would for any other poster. Let's see what happens.

BTW, JCMF3, when you say "when you present facts, please do so unbiasedly" you're implicitly assuming radiosucks' trying to present facts in the first place. Most of the time, what he presents is blatant lies. E.g. he implied B2K's Bump, Bump, Bump was a weak recurrent compared to "Beautiful" when a quick inspection of that week's Mediabase recurrent airplay showed B2K receiving more weekly spins than "Beautiful".

[radiorules]

j said:

I respectfully disagree.

And you know that kind of post will trigger a long essay from me, so here goes...

radiosucks did tone down a little when these boards first started, but he's now back to his usual nonsense. I'm not blind either - I do see when someone was trying, even half-heartedly. But I don't see how his behavior now is different from before when just recently he acted as if he knew what I was thinking e.g. "the only reason why shadowblue doesn't want December spins counted is because it would give Beautiful the edge. If Avril had a bigger edge in December, he would definitely want them counted." Firstly it was ridiculous because I had already stated that I believed the December spins should be counted. Secondly, it's obvious he's just trying to start a Christina argument involving me. Is this the type of post from someone who has changed for the better? This was clearly not a sign of someone trying to behave.

Another obvious indication that he obviously has no intention of getting along with anyone else is his constant putting down of Britney. Find me a Britney fan who isn't annoyed at his posts.

radiosucks himself knows he misrepresents facts. During his incarnation as RayRomano on the boards, when trying to pretend that he wasn't radiosucks, he said "I'm sorry, radiosucks posts a lot of lies, I don't".

Even if you really think that radiosucks is less negative than before, well, I think -999,999,999 is less negative than -1,000,000,000 too.

Well, let's hear from him. Is he really trying to get along with other posters? Is he really trying to post accurate and truthful facts? Does he really think of possible alternative reasons to explain a situation instead of coming up with his own twisted version of events? If his answer is yes to any of these questions, well then that's another lie from him, so what's new.

Let's face it - he embarrasses even other Christina fans. And let's not talk about multiple chances. He's had many and he hasn't changed one bit. Alright alright, since Tigercub bothered to post about this, let's give radiosucks one more chance. Let's see whether he can resist putting supposed-Christina-competitors down for even a week. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt the next time he misrepresents the facts like I would for any other poster. Let's see what happens.

BTW, JCMF3, when you say "when you present facts, please do so unbiasedly" you're implicitly assuming radiosucks' trying to present facts in the first place. Most of the time, what he presents is blatant lies. E.g. he implied B2K's Bump, Bump, Bump was a weak recurrent compared to "Beautiful" when a quick inspection of that week's Mediabase recurrent airplay showed B2K receiving more weekly spins than "Beautiful".

You honestly need to get a life! "Radiosucks hasn't changed because he blah blah blah" and "he always misrepresents facts because i remember once back on July 17th, 2003, he said that 'fighter' peaked at 6245 spins when it actually peaked at 6244 spins!" and "6 days ago, at 4:47 p.m, he said that Britney had an audience of 30.8574 when it actually had an audience of 30.8584! It's all lies, all of it!" oh shut up already! Dammit!

[j]

radiorules said:

You honestly need to get a life! "Radiosucks hasn't changed because he blah blah blah" and "he always misrepresents facts because i remember once back on July 17th, 2003, he said that 'fighter' peaked at 6245 spins when it actually peaked at 6244 spins!" and "6 days ago, at 4:47 p.m, he said that Britney had an audience of 30.8574 when it actually had an audience of 30.8584! It's all lies, all of it!" oh shut up already! Dammit!

Those weren't the examples I used. Don't exaggerate - thanks for another example of how you misrepresent the facts. (Or should I say "10 Q"? ;)) You're trying to make it sound like what I mean by "misrepresenting the facts" is that I nitpick at small details in your posts when I don't (and besides, that's not the issue here.)

I also wanted to add that if anyone's changed, it's ListenToMe. I know it sounds very high and mighty of me to praise one poster and put down another as if I'm in a position to even make such a judgment, but I don't know how else to say it. Look at how many people have a problem with ListenToMe's posts now. That's right - none. Meanwhile, consider this carefully and contrast it with radiosucks' immediate post above.

[j]

radiorules said:

In all honesty J, like how xtinasnumerounofan pointed out, it's always the same 2 or 3 people that have a problem with my posts. And at least they can lay off me for a minute, unlike you. You must get erections everytime i post here. C'mon, we all know you love it! Otherwise 95% of your posts wouldn't be a respond to my posts.

Typical.

[j]

radiorules said:

Typical, ignoring my FACTS and then come back the second i misrepresented something.

Alright - let me point out YET another one of your misrepresentations:

Don't mistake other people's silence on your posts for acquiescence, acceptance or, worse, approval.

Your posts just go to show that if you shove enough shit down people's throats, they will eventually learn to just ignore it.

[radiorules]

Don't even bother replying because i am ending this bulls**t. And since we ruined this topic i am going to delete my posts.

[j]

radiorules said:

The irony in that statement! If that was really the case then you would've been ignoring me back in the "I think Christina's career is over" days.

There's no irony. I just happen to refuse to take all this shit lying down.

Look this argument can go on and there's no end to it. Do you really think you're even welcomed here? Why don't you just behave yourself and that'll be the end to all the arguments? Just try it for a change. One week. See how it goes.

[j]

radiorules said:

Don't even bother replying because i am ending this bulls**t. And since we ruined this topic i am going to delete my posts.

Ending this bullshit? That's a first step, thank you. Since I quoted all your posts, deleting them won't make a difference. However, being a nicer person might.

[Leafstorm]

radiorules said:

i am not changing for anybody, espechally for you. Maybe once you cut back on stalking me and cut back on the random Christina disses, then i might do what you said.

Word of advice to everyone: Treat people the way you want to be treated.

radiorules: I don't understand why people cannot diss on Christina when all you do most of the time is to diss on Britney (Just look at the number of Britney-related posts you have!). I don't think any of us have to change for you because you've been quite disrespectful up on the boards. Sad to say, you do not deserve the respect from us.

Anyway, back on the chart... It will be a long while before Beyonce drops out out of the top 5... Hopefully other tracks will pick up their spins...