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Post by Keith3000 on Oct 9, 2003 13:51:43 GMT -5
I personally know why this forum is meant to be created. It is to keep those posts "out of the way". I doubt Matt or Adam want me to say that, but I think lying about it is ridiculous. Matt and Adam wouldn't want you to say this, 'cause it's not the truth. Yeah you're right, atomicaloud has no right to flood the board with UK topics, but then again no one has the right to flood at all. The idea of an international forum came up much before atomicaloud started with all those UK topics; if I'm not mistaken, it was Leafstorm who came up with the idea first. And with an international forum, atomicaloud would still have no right to flood the board.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2003 13:53:45 GMT -5
This is also not a US board, so I don't see where that whole argument is coming from. Just because the administration are all American does not make it an American board. I want to have the freedom to post about whatever songs I want in the regular categories. What's next? All Asian members will be segregated to one forum?
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Post by Keith3000 on Oct 9, 2003 14:01:22 GMT -5
This is also not a US board, so I don't see where that whole argument is coming from. Just because the administration are all American does not make it an American board. I want to have the freedom to post about whatever songs I want in the regular categories. What's next? All Asian members will be segregated to one forum? Dude, don't get the wrong idea here. I did not mean to be racist at all when I said that. My bad. In fact, I probably worded it wrongly; if you want I'll modify my post. I just wanted to clarify that the defintion of "international" is clear, meaning music that is popular outside the States, but not in the States. I tried to say that there will be no segregation with this new forum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2003 14:02:41 GMT -5
I didn't view your post as racist at all. I view this whole idea as a segregation of countries.
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Post by Keith3000 on Oct 9, 2003 14:09:18 GMT -5
Well, you can't argue that this forum is based on American music.
Matt, here's an idea--why don't you change the category name from "Radio & Records Chart Forums" to just "Chart Fourms"? That way, international tracks could also be included for good measure now and then, like what Josh mentioned for dance tracks in Europe.
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Post by Matt4319 on Oct 9, 2003 14:25:35 GMT -5
I personally know why this forum is meant to be created. It is to keep those posts "out of the way". I doubt Matt or Adam want me to say that, but I think lying about it is ridiculous. Oh, you know, huh? You must have been in Adam's head when he got the idea for this. And notice I didn't say "Adam's and my head" because if you read my last post, I wasn't even for the idea. I can't stop you from saying what you want, but in this case it doesn't even make sense to say "I doubt Matt or Adam want me to say that".
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Post by Matt4319 on Oct 9, 2003 14:26:30 GMT -5
Well, you can't argue that this forum is based on American music. Matt, here's an idea--why don't you change the category name from "Radio & Records Chart Forums" to just "Chart Fourms"? That way, international tracks could also be included for good measure now and then, like what Josh mentioned for dance tracks in Europe. The reason I changed it the first time is because people who might come here not knowing of the old R&R boards would wonder what I was talking about when I said "Chart Forums".
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 9, 2003 15:19:57 GMT -5
We have some people on these boards from Europe & Australia who think that our music in America & Canada is international. And the same can be said for Americans about Europe's music. So true! By calling it international music, the people we are labeling international, it kind of seems like they're outsiders because they are international or something. That's just how I see it.
My #1 suggestion here is to make a better purpose out of the Your Opinion Please and turn that into a discussion for National and International songs and artists instead of Top 10: insert artist here.
If you want to make an International Forum, it's totally up to yourselves. I just don't like the idea and I can't really see myself going there often, especially since there's no real definition of what "international" really means.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 9, 2003 15:28:11 GMT -5
I'd like the idea under certain circumstances. If the forum is used to post "CHARTS", then that's a good idea. However, if a dance song is being released in the UK, I want to post it in the "Dance" forum, not the "International" forum. That makes it seem less important. Sorry to post back to back but agreed! That's why we have the format forums here. They aren't made specifically for R&R (although it kinda seems that way) but I think they should be made specifically for music of the genre with R&R charts in mind for those who want it. Discussion of country songs and charts in other countries should be allowed in the Country Forum. Same with Rap and Jazz or anything as long as it fits. If Kylie Minogue is releasing a new CD in Australia and the first single from it is #1 in airplay, why shouldn't that go in the CHR/Pop forum? CHR/Pop is mainstream airplay and I'm sure Australia has a mainstream airplay chart. The Canadian airplay chart is allowed in CHR/Pop, right?There's an idea. Then Billboard discussions of respective formats can go there too as well as other charts from other countries. Why not make a Sales Forum too to discuss album and single sales? Well... may as well keep those for the Music News Forum, right? ;)
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Post by allow that on Oct 9, 2003 17:33:58 GMT -5
I personally know why this forum is meant to be created. It is to keep those posts "out of the way". I doubt Matt or Adam want me to say that, but I think lying about it is ridiculous. Huh?! What are you talking about Josh? That's an outright lie. Please don't speak on my behalf ever again like that, that's not cool. And I'll add that if people read the few initial posts here, they'd see that many of their complaints have been adressed already and are not even relevant. That's what's pissing me off, people are just complaining about stuff that doesn't even make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2003 17:35:50 GMT -5
Well somebody definitely said it. Maybe someone posted it here. If you say it wasn't you, then I believe you.
Sorry.
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Post by j on Oct 9, 2003 17:49:00 GMT -5
My #1 suggestion here is to make a better purpose out of the Your Opinion Please and turn that into a discussion for National and International songs and artists instead of Top 10: insert artist here.
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Post by Sean on Oct 9, 2003 18:44:02 GMT -5
I don't think it's a stupid or idiotic idea at all, I don't think people should be saying that! When I first saw it I thought it might be good... but when you actually think about how it would work IN PRACTICE then it turns out it's not a good idea for all the many reasons I and others have posted before. Whether you think it will create MORE posts about international music or just cause segregation is a matter of opinion. It seems most think the later. There's nothing wrong with leaving things as they are since it's working fine right now.
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Post by BFMR on Oct 9, 2003 18:47:20 GMT -5
I view this whole idea as a segregation of countries. well, the way i see it.. anything that isn't popular stateside is getting quasi ignored except for the other people that know of the group or act. I agree with the idea totally
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Post by George Tropicana on Oct 9, 2003 20:55:56 GMT -5
I accidently voted Yes because I thought it was No. I vote No now because I read the topic more clearly. An international forum would not make things more exotic.
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Post by crash46 on Oct 9, 2003 23:48:28 GMT -5
My #1 suggestion here is to make a better purpose out of the Your Opinion Please and turn that into a discussion for National and International songs and artists instead of Top 10: insert artist here.
As long as I get to start a few of 'em with artists that I enjoy listening to, I'm cool with the "artist top 10's".
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Post by allow that on Oct 9, 2003 23:54:53 GMT -5
I voted in favor of the international forum, but as many seem totally against this idea, I feel Matt's gonna scrap the idea. I'm thinking we should just do a trial, maybe for a week or two; y'know, to see how it goes. If it gets enough hits or posts (Matt, can the hits of a specific forum be measured?) then we can consider it a success and keep it. So, I say just give the idea a shot. If no one buys into it, then yeah, ditch it. But don't refuse to consider the international music forum idea...I definitely see some potential there. I actually think this is a really good idea. Since the way people feel about this is obviosuly split, why not give it a trial run and vote on whether to keep it or not a month down the road? Surely some people can be open enough to at least TRY it. Maybe it'll be beter than your expecting, and if not, no biggie we can get rid of it. So for the people who voted no, what do you think about that? Meanwhile, I guess we'll keep voting open til sometime late tomorrow (Saturday) or early Sunday.
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Post by Sean on Oct 10, 2003 0:01:39 GMT -5
If you wanna try it... I can't stop you. I'm not even in favour of trying it tho for reaons already stated.
Plus.... given it's split I would think that's good enough reason to leave things as they are, not change them anyway (even though it's temporary). If there was an overwhelming YES vote then a trial is in order. As it is now, the votes are wrong as I and Mineable voted wrong, it should be: 7 - YES 10 - NO 5 - DON'T CARE
That's just 30% saying YES.
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Post by allow that on Oct 10, 2003 0:15:23 GMT -5
Plus.... given it's split I would think that's good enough reason to leave things as they are, not change them anyway (even though it's temporary). If there was an overwhelming YES vote then a trial is in order. . A split would indicate that half the people are open to it as well. If it was overwhelmingly tilted one way or the other, we would either scrap the idea or create a permenant one. This is supposed to be a way of compromising, since things are pretty close. However, the vote isnt closed yet so I guess let's just see what happens when more people vote.
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Post by Zander on Oct 10, 2003 6:00:38 GMT -5
As a big fan of music from all over the world I think this is a silly idea. You'd just end up with another forum that isn't used much.
And I think with people posting this kind of stuff in Music News, others are exposed to it when they wouldn't be otherwise.
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Post by Leafstorm on Oct 10, 2003 6:54:17 GMT -5
Hmm... maybe I shouldn't even suggest this type of thing in the first place... Who would have thought that this would lead to that much trouble... *walks away*
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Post by Keith3000 on Oct 10, 2003 7:09:51 GMT -5
With the type of response we've been getting, I really don't see Matt even considering the "one-week see-how-it-goes" trial idea. Damn, it might have worked out in the end. But then again, if we try it for a week, most will probably ignore the forum just to prove their point that the idea sucks and has no hope. It would be better not to have the forum than to have everyone dissing it.
Anyway, Adam, keep this poll going through the weekend, I guess. Even if there's no International Forum, it's all good; y'all can still post in Music News and stuff. Later guys. Whatever.
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Post by j on Oct 10, 2003 10:39:03 GMT -5
But then again, if we try it for a week, most will probably ignore the forum just to prove their point that the idea sucks and has no hope. It would be better not to have the forum than to have everyone dissing it. Don't be so quick to accuse people of being that petty. I can easily turn it around and accuse those who want the forum to flood it with topics during the trial week too. If you want to have a trial, go ahead. Time will tell whether the influx of topics in the first week will be permanent or otherwise. I'm sure the forum will pass its trial test, and I'm sure the people who want a "trial" week know fully well that it will (which is probably why they're asking for it) but, really, how long will it last? On another note, take a look at the Hot AC/AAA and AC forums. In the past 36 hours, only 6 topics in AC and 6 topics in Hot AC/AAA have been replied to. Compare this to the number of topics in Hot AC/AAA and AC in their first week separate from each other by people who wanted to prove that the AC forum wouldn't die without Hot AC and vice versa. Music News probably has that same number of topics created every few hours.
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Post by Keith3000 on Oct 10, 2003 11:23:03 GMT -5
When I said it's better not to have the International Forum than to have people dissing it, I also meant that having the forum is probably not worth all this trouble and disagreements and whatnot either. If it's that much of a big deal, and we're all so against it, then wtf, it's cool; we won't have it.
You're right; Music News is by far the most happenning forum on these boards and posting global topics will make it even stronger. I'm all for that and think it's fine.
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Post by allow that on Oct 10, 2003 11:24:08 GMT -5
On another note, take a look at the Hot AC/AAA and AC forums. In the past 36 hours, only 6 topics in AC and 6 topics in Hot AC/AAA have been replied to. Compare this to the number of topics in Hot AC/AAA and AC in their first week separate from each other by people who wanted to prove that the AC forum wouldn't die without Hot AC and vice versa. Music News probably has that same number of topics created every few hours. Not go off topic, but at R&R the AAA forum would commonly go for 2 weeks without a reply. 6 HAC topics and 6 AC topics replied to in the past 36 hours is 12 altogether and still more than the old R&R forum would get. Yes, posts dropped off since when they started. But overall there is still way more traffic the new way than the old way.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 10, 2003 11:32:33 GMT -5
Overall it's not a BAD idea but when new people come to the board or when older people are posting, they just can't help but see that music from outside of North America is split away from North American music, whether or not that's the intention. I think music news on various charts and artists outside of North America can go in the Music News forum. However, if you're going to make an International Forum, be sure to change the "Music News" forum to "North American Music News" and the "Your Opinion, Please?" forum to "North American Opinion, Please?".
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Post by j on Oct 10, 2003 11:42:33 GMT -5
When I said it's better not to have the International Forum than to have people dissing it, I also meant that having the forum is probably not worth all this trouble and disagreements and whatnot either. If it's that much of a big deal, and we're all so against it, then wtf, it's cool; we won't have it. I was referring more specifically to your claim that people will just ignore the forum to prove their point that it will suck when I was saying not to think of people as being so petty. Jersey Boy's comparison to AAA in the old R&R days is irrelevant. My point was that all 3 formats can comfortably fit into 1 forum and you'd still have topics that are several days old on the first page. LOL @ "North American Opinion, Please?"
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Post by allow that on Oct 10, 2003 11:48:16 GMT -5
Jersey Boy's comparison to AAA in the old R&R days is irrelevant. My point was that all 3 formats can comfortably fit into 1 forum and you'd still have topics that are several days old on the first page. Using that logic, we could merge Urban with AC too. Or Country and Jazz. Who cares if there's still going to be topics on the same page or not, if they have nothing to do with each other. Okay, let's go back on topic now please.
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Post by j on Oct 10, 2003 11:55:16 GMT -5
Using that logic, we could merge Urban with AC too. Or Country and Jazz. Who cares if there's still going to be topics on the same page or not, if they have nothing to do with each other. Okay, let's go back on topic now please. That's totally not the same logic. Urban and AC have nothing to do with one another, whereas there's a lot of overlap between Hot AC and AC, and Hot AC and AAA. I never said to merge any 2 random radio formats together. But I agree, let's get back on topic and drop this Hot AC/AC/AAA discussion. I only brought it up because I wanted to point out that having a "one week trial period" for the Global Forum is equivalent to creating it permanently, since it will definitely experience a temporary (or even artificial) surge in topics like HotAC/AAA and AC did.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Oct 10, 2003 14:43:37 GMT -5
Can we re-evaluate the situation?
Why exactly, do we want an International Forum? What is it about the addition of this forum that you think would benefit the boards and the members? (this question is for the pro-international peeps)
And to make it fair, what is it about the International Forum that makes it such a bad thing? (for the against-international peeps)
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