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Post by GoWVUGo on Sept 4, 2004 8:53:19 GMT -5
Well, "Goodies" is #1... what do you think?
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Post by msanoja on Sept 4, 2004 9:41:35 GMT -5
Haha, yes...and it's been a joke for quite some time!
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Post by Libra on Sept 4, 2004 9:56:08 GMT -5
The real question is, which of you have ever had any faith in the Hot 100 at all? If none of you have then this poll is entirely moot.  (No need to beat this issue until it's a dead horse or beyond that.) |
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Post by BookJones on Sept 4, 2004 10:06:44 GMT -5
The last time the chart was more true, was in late 1997,early 1998. That is when there were still cd singles out .
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Post by irice22 on Sept 4, 2004 11:10:19 GMT -5
Yes, and I hate how people think it is the best source!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2004 11:23:15 GMT -5
No. The Hot 100 is just tracking what's the most popular song at radio. The joke is the music industry.
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Post by Ragin on Sept 4, 2004 12:13:54 GMT -5
No. The Hot 100 is just tracking what's the most popular song at radio. The joke is the music industry. This is true to a point. I know there are tons of Rhythmic and Urban stations out there. Still, there was a time when the #1 song on the Hot100 was something EVERYBODY had at least heard. That is so not the case now. I'd say close to 50% of the #1s I've never heard before because they are Urban-Rhythmic hits only. I think that type of music is oversampled. |
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Post by Libra on Sept 4, 2004 12:36:53 GMT -5
The last time the chart was more true, was in late 1997,early 1998. That is when there were still cd singles out . ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Late 1997 saw Elton John ruling the chart with "Candle in the Wind" sales and not too much airplay. His figures were apparently enough to give him #1 for 1997, despite the single being released in the 4th quarter of 1997. (4th quarter of the chart year, that is) Personally, I'd rather see the main chart turned into what Canada already does - an all-format chart that is ONLY airplay, with the sales chart seperate. (Does that yet exist for Billboard? There is a seperate sales chart already, but what about a seperate airplay chart?) I'd say Josh is closer to being right - take a look at the industry in other countries before criticizing the Hot 100. Each country has certain formats that are dominant, and we're no different. Plus, the CD single is (obviously) not on life support everywhere. With all this in mind, I'm finally casting my vote (I wasn't going to originally), and that's NO. |
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Post by j on Sept 4, 2004 12:53:14 GMT -5
Still, there was a time when the #1 song on the Hot100 was something EVERYBODY had at least heard. That is so not the case now. I'd say close to 50% of the #1s I've never heard before because they are Urban-Rhythmic hits only. I think that type of music is oversampled. Uhhh.... what was the last Hot 100 #1 not to hit the CHR/Pop Top 15?(*) Was it "Stutter" 3 years back? Even so, I believe that hit #1 with the help of singles sales. The only other one I can think of is Sisqo's "Incomplete" since the last major overhaul in Dec 98. Prior to that there were many examples in the 90s. And before that, the Hot 100 was only a Pop chart, so of course it reflected Pop tastes. (*) Oh yeah - "This Is The Night", "A Moment Like This" and "I Believe" :) The last time the chart was more true, was in late 1997,early 1998. That is when there were still cd singles out . Some people think combining sales and airplay is a joke in the first place. Personally, I'd rather see the main chart turned into what Canada already does - an all-format chart that is ONLY airplay, with the sales chart seperate. (Does that yet exist for Billboard? There is a sep arate sales chart already, but what about a seperate airplay chart?) Yes, it's called Hot 100 Airplay, and it looks like a twin brother of The Hot 100. Where have you been? |
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Post by reception on Sept 4, 2004 16:28:13 GMT -5
If "Goodies" is #1, Billboard should have put it on their Rhythmic chart.
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Post by Bob on Sept 4, 2004 16:46:15 GMT -5
No. The Hot 100 is just tracking what's the most popular song at radio. The joke is the music industry. |
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Post by mst3k on Sept 4, 2004 16:46:18 GMT -5
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Late 1997 saw Elton John ruling the chart with "Candle in the Wind" sales and not too much airplay. His figures were apparently enough to give him #1 for 1997, despite the single being released in the 4th quarter of 1997. (4th quarter of the chart year, that is) So you're saying that a single that sells 11 million copies in its first month of release doesn't deserve to be ranked #1 for the year on a chart that measures "popularity"? |
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Post by strong4PMB! on Sept 5, 2004 1:10:29 GMT -5
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Post by Keith3000 on Sept 5, 2004 2:41:20 GMT -5
No. The Hot 100 is just tracking what's the most popular song at radio. The joke is the music industry. Lol, I'm wondering if we should just sticky this thread, for those who just cannot understand this point. :) |
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Post by tidetoit on Sept 5, 2004 13:43:07 GMT -5
No. The Hot 100 is just tracking what's the most popular song at radio. The joke is the music industry. LOL How true. The chart is like the top hat the magician uses to do the "pull a rabbit out of the hat trick". The "suits" running the biz are the master magicians performing their slight of hand and misdirection on us. |
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Post by jond7699 on Sept 5, 2004 14:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by Libra on Sept 5, 2004 14:29:10 GMT -5
Yes, it's called Hot 100 Airplay, and it looks like a twin brother of The Hot 100. Where have you been? Some of us - I.E. me - cannot access that chart. |
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Post by smack on Sept 6, 2004 9:53:43 GMT -5
I think the chart was good til about 2001, when the first airplay only song hit #1. From then on, it's seemed a lot less accurate, but IMHO, I think rap is just a phase...like disco, boy bands, etc. I think pop/rock is coming back as of lately. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Late 1997 saw Elton John ruling the chart with "Candle in the Wind" sales and not too much airplay. His figures were apparently enough to give him #1 for 1997, despite the single being released in the 4th quarter of 1997. (4th quarter of the chart year, that is) Keep in mind, that back in 97, a double sided song could incorporate airplay from both songs. Something about the way you look tonight was a top 20 airplay song to help contribute to the chart run. And the song was released in the late 3rd quarter of 1997, not the 4th. The single was released in the 4th quarter however. On 2/21/98, SATWYLT was still 30 on airplay after 25 weeks. I'd agree that this was the #1 song of the year for 1997. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2004 9:54:31 GMT -5
I think the chart was good til about 2001, when the first airplay only song hit #1. From then on, it's seemed a lot less accurate, but IMHO, I think rap is just a phase...like disco, boy bands, etc. I think pop/rock is coming back as of lately. The first airplay #1 was Aaliyah's "Try Again" in 2000. |
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Post by Keith3000 on Sept 6, 2004 15:48:56 GMT -5
Keep in mind, that back in 97, a double sided song could incorporate airplay from both songs. Something about the way you look tonight was a top 20 airplay song to help contribute to the chart run. And the song was released in the late 3rd quarter of 1997, not the 4th. The single was released in the 4th quarter however. On 2/21/98, SATWYLT was still 30 on airplay after 25 weeks. I'd agree that this was the #1 song of the year for 1997. SATWYLT may have been a bigger airplay hit than "Candle In The Wind '97", but you can be sure its airplay had almost nothing to do with the double-sided single's chart run. "Candle In The Wind '97" could have been the only song on the single release, and it still would have been the #1 single of 1997 based on the sales figures. |
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Post by j on Sept 6, 2004 19:32:49 GMT -5
Something about the way you look tonight was a top 20 airplay song to help contribute to the chart run. And the song was released in the late 3rd quarter of 1997, not the 4th. The single was released in the 4th quarter however. On 2/21/98, SATWYLT was still 30 on airplay after 25 weeks. I agree with Keith that the single would have been #1 even if it had zero airplay. What do you mean SATWYLT was a Top 20 Airplay hit? On which chart - Hot 100 Airplay? I doubt it since it was only a #22 or so peak on CHR/Pop. (I may be mistaken), unless it was a huge hit on AC and Hot AC, in which case #30 on Airplay after 25 weeks isn't longevity. It's like the norm. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 6, 2004 19:43:29 GMT -5
No. The Hot 100 is just tracking what's the most popular song at radio. The joke is the music industry. No arguement from the peanut gallery. |
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Post by smack on Sept 6, 2004 21:27:25 GMT -5
By no means did I mean to imply it would not have been #1....any single that sells like 7 million in a week certainly should be lol. But I'm just saying that that help contribute to the longer chart run, and who knows, maybe 1 or 2 more weeks at #1? I agree with Keith that the single would have been #1 even if it had zero airplay. What do you mean SATWYLT was a Top 20 Airplay hit? On which chart - Hot 100 Airplay? I doubt it since it was only a #22 or so peak on CHR/Pop. (I may be mistaken), unless it was a huge hit on AC and Hot AC, in which case #30 on Airplay after 25 weeks isn't longevity. It's like the norm. |
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Post by j on Sept 7, 2004 0:07:59 GMT -5
By no means did I mean to imply it would not have been #1....any single that sells like 7 million in a week certainly should be lol. But I'm just saying that that help contribute to the longer chart run, and who knows, maybe 1 or 2 more weeks at #1? Well, OK, we don't know how close Elton John was to the #2 in his 14th and final week at #1, so it may have contributed to at least 1 week at #1. You didn't reply to my question about which Airplay chart you're talking about. |
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Post by smack on Sept 7, 2004 9:29:10 GMT -5
hot 100 airplay chart (top 75 positions) Well, OK, we don't know how close Elton John was to the #2 in his 14th and final week at #1, so it may have contributed to at least 1 week at #1. You didn't reply to my question about which Airplay chart you're talking about. |
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Post by chebingeo on Sept 7, 2004 11:15:02 GMT -5
It's been a joke for a few years now.
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Post by KikiMets on Sept 7, 2004 19:52:14 GMT -5
SATWYLT peaked at #18 on Hot 100 Airplay (Candle In The Wind peaked at #21).
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Post by rayato2k4 on Oct 10, 2004 22:58:33 GMT -5
it's like the only chart they even give a damn about is Rythmic. For God's sake, you're telling me Ciara is a bigger hit than Hoobastank. This is fucking rigged.
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Post by Keith3000 on Oct 10, 2004 23:20:44 GMT -5
it's like the only chart they even give a damn about is Rythmic. For God's sake, you're telling me Ciara is a bigger hit than Hoobastank. This is f**king rigged. Anyone care to comment? I'm just too tired right now. |
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Post by mst3k on Oct 11, 2004 1:49:58 GMT -5
Anyone care to comment? I'm just too tired right now. Nah. I'll just refer him to read every other Hot 100 thread (hell, even this one) for the comments there. ;) |
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