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Post by allow that on Jan 14, 2005 16:49:20 GMT -5
If I Aint Got You was her only big single. :o :o :o What was the phenomenon of "Fallin'" then? Shit, that even almost made Top 10 at HAC! One of the hugest hits of the time... Not to mention the Urban #1's of "You Don't Know My Name," "Diary," and "My Boo."
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Post by Ironically Ironic on Jan 14, 2005 16:52:25 GMT -5
I was talking about from this album. And you cant compare Diary and You Dont Know My Name to If I Aint Got You. And Usher got most of the sucess from My Boo. It wasnt like Alcia made that song happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2005 16:53:06 GMT -5
"You Don't Know My Name" spent 10 weeks at #1 R&B. I think it was a hit. Just maybe.
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Post by FADE AWAY on Jan 14, 2005 16:54:03 GMT -5
rotfl. what a mess.
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Post by allow that on Jan 14, 2005 16:54:48 GMT -5
I was talking about from this album. And you cant compare Diary and You Dont Know My Name to If I Aint Got You. And Usher got most of the sucess from My Boo. It wasnt like Alcia made that song happen. This album spawned more hits than her first one, and except for Usher, more hits than any album in 2004. And Usher and Alicia has equal parts on "My Boo" and in the video.
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Post by bluenote on Jan 14, 2005 16:59:35 GMT -5
Alicia... her voice is too one dimensional. Shes not versatile. And she strains a lot. She makes some good songs but she is really just too overatted. I couldnt agree more.
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Post by Bob on Jan 14, 2005 16:59:54 GMT -5
it's really easy to decide this objectively. If you include Destiny's Child, Beyoncé wins hands down. If you don't, when you look at both album sales and single success, as of her latest hits, it's Alicia. Aaliyah is going to fall behind for obvious reasons, and if you don't already give the edge to Brandy and Monica over Aaliyah, after their next albums you will have to (well, Monica anway, Brandy is struggling).
I did a straight up point analysis of this, but that was before Alicia's latest hits. Anyway, to be fair Brandy, Monica, Alicia, Aaliyah, and Beyoncé are the top 5 R&B divas of our times. They just take turns on who is on top. Aaliyah wasn't really a top diva until after her death, which is odd, and because she has passed away she won't be adding to her legend.
Alicia and Beyoncé are going to become legendary, like Aretha. Brandy and Monica will probably go down along the lines of a Patti Labelle or Gladys Knight.
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Post by bluenote on Jan 14, 2005 17:04:57 GMT -5
and if you don't already give the edge to Brandy and Monica over Aaliyah, after their next albums you will have to (well, Monica anway, Brandy is struggling). It is so laughable that since a 2 year old JD production saved Monicas ass, suddenly she isnt "struggling" anymore when she has hell of a alot more flops than Brandy.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 14, 2005 17:12:44 GMT -5
it's really easy to decide this objectively. If you include Destiny's Child, Beyoncé wins hands down. If you don't, when you look at both album sales and single success, as of her latest hits, it's Alicia. Aaliyah is going to fall behind for obvious reasons, and if you don't already give the edge to Brandy and Monica over Aaliyah, after their next albums you will have to (well, Monica anway, Brandy is struggling). I did a straight up point analysis of this, but that was before Alicia's latest hits. Anyway, to be fair Brandy, Monica, Alicia, Aaliyah, and Beyoncé are the top 5 R&B divas of our times. They just take turns on who is on top. Aaliyah wasn't really a top diva until after her death, which is odd, and because she has passed away she won't be adding to her legend. Alicia and Beyoncé are going to become legendary, like Aretha. Brandy and Monica will probably go down along the lines of a Patti Labelle or Gladys Knight. agreed. This forum seems kind of anti-Beyonce and I dont really get that. I dont see anti-Beyonce hatred anywhere else but here really.
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Post by Evergreen on Jan 14, 2005 19:17:59 GMT -5
Brandy's Never Say Never sold more than any Beyonce solo album. Tabloid gossip doesn't mean she's head of the class. Let's not compare a seven year old album to an album that is a lot more recent. Even if you do, Brandy only has one more platium certification than Beyonce does. When you figure that Brandy's album came out in 98, it's really not that much more, if any more impressive than Beyonce's album status, not is it? And sold more than ANY Beyonce album? She's only had one. Let us look at Beyonce's career before she went solo! Beyonce's Child does have an album that is 8 times platium. Where's Brandy's album that's that huge. And let's look at the Grammy column, Brandy 1, Beyonce 8. Then we could look at their box-office numbers, but what's the point? Just score one more for Beyonce please. Yeah, let's not compare the statistics, because Beyonce beats everyone on the list, and she does it very easily.
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Post by bluenote on Jan 14, 2005 19:29:40 GMT -5
Then we could look at their box-office numbers, but what's the point? Just score one more for Beyonce please. Actually "i still know" did better than "fighting temptations" (which really wasnt a big success it opened at #2 and dropped like a brick) and i'm pretty sure it did better than "goldmember" which would have been a hit with or without Beyonce because its a popular series and the female roles change with each movie. Mike Myers makes those movies, not the interchangable female. Not to mention her highly success television films "cinderealla" and "double platiunum" So Brandy wins that. Brandy also had a #1 tv show for several years somethin that Beyonce definately doesnt have. And brandy's just a much better actress. They both have their high points but Beyonce is where Brandy was during the "never say never" era. Every Divas star fades at some point. But Beyonces album didnt even get the critical acclaim that ANY of Brandys albums got especially "afrodisiac."
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Post by Evergreen on Jan 14, 2005 19:59:49 GMT -5
Actually "i still know" did better than "fighting temptations" (which really wasnt a big success it opened at #2 and dropped like a brick) and i'm pretty sure it did better than "goldmember" which would have been a hit with or without Beyonce because its a popular series and the female roles change with each movie. Mike Myers makes those movies, not the interchangable female. Not to mention her highly success television films "cinderealla" and "double platiunum" So Brandy wins that. Brandy also had a #1 tv show for several years somethin that Beyonce definately doesnt have. And brandy's just a much better actress. They both have their high points but Beyonce is where Brandy was during the "never say never" era. Every Divas star fades at some point. But Beyonces album didnt even get the critical acclaim that ANY of Brandys albums got especially "afrodisiac." "I Still Know What You Did Last Summer" $40,002,112 "Austin Powers in Goldmember" $213,307,889 What a close one!!!! And the last movie Brandy was in earned $13,596,911. The Fighting Tempations earned $30,250,745 Wow!!!! Beyonce wins another one. And PLEASE show me that Brandy had a "#1 hit show" in any way, shape, or form. Her show was on the UPN for goodness sake. The most popular show on the UPN never makes the top 30 shows, so it should be interesting to see where you got the "#1 hit show" from. Maybe number one on BET syndication? LOL No TV movie can compensate for the HUGE difference in the box office pulls between the two. Beyonce just as integral in "Golddmember" than Brandy was is in "Summer" And I think the critical acclaim of Beyonce's album came when she won 5 Grammy's in a single night. Brandy has NEVER experienced the level of success that Beyonce has. Let's see the endorsement Brandy EVER had that can mess with Beyonce's Pepsi deal. Beyonce > Brandy 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
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Post by allow that on Jan 14, 2005 20:05:51 GMT -5
LMAO, you can't give Beyonce all the credit for the third movie in Mike Myers' successful franchise. Doesn't matter who played her part, coulda been Bea Arthur, and the film still woulda grossed that much. And I think the critical acclaim of Beyonce's album came when she won 5 Grammy's in a single night. I wasn't even in the country then, and even on the other side of the pond everyone was talking about how it was the biggest fluke of Grammy history. Her album is an album of filler. It's not that it's anti-Beyonce. It's just that people here praise her to the high heavens and unless you do too, you're called a "hater." I like Beyonce a lot. I think she's extremely talented and drop dead gorgeous. But some of you make her out to be soooo much more than all of her contemporaries, and she's really not.
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Post by bluenote on Jan 14, 2005 20:29:00 GMT -5
And PLEASE show me that Brandy had a "#1 hit show" in any way, shape, or form. Her show was on the UPN for goodness sake. The most popular show on the UPN never makes the top 30 shows, so it should be interesting to see where you got the "#1 hit show" from. Maybe number one on BET syndication? LOL No TV movie can compensate for the HUGE difference in the box office pulls between the two. Beyonce just as integral in "Golddmember" than Brandy was is in "Summer" And I think the critical acclaim of Beyonce's album came when she won 5 Grammy's in a single night. Brandy has NEVER experienced the level of success that Beyonce has. Let's see the endorsement Brandy EVER had that can mess with Beyonce's Pepsi deal. "moesha" was the #1 African American television show on television. Doesnt matter what network it was on the same way "one on one" was the #1 black show on tv last year. Goldmember had 2 successful movies before it, It didnt matter howlayed Beyonces part it would have been a success. And Beyonce as an actress is the biggest joke since her 5 Grammy wins. Even Kelly Rowland gets better reviews for her acting than Beyonce and her emoitonless face. Her 5 Grammys are an embaraassment and even after her 5 wins, not 1 critic changed their opinion about her MEDIOCURE at best album and She certainly didnt win in not 1 major category.Doesnt matter how many Grammys she won for her hip hop collaborations, it doesnt change the fact that she didnt deserve half of the awards and her album is still not reguarded as being good or stellar(check out the Afrodisiac reviews if u want to read what a good review looks like). DIL will never go down as a remarkable album, its all filler fluff with 3 good singles and 1 that was only a hit because of the other 2. Brandy was a Cover Girl, one of the few black Cover girls. As a matter of fact, if i am not mistaken she was the 2nd black cover girl next to Tyra. She broke boundaries. Beyonce was only stepping into the footsteps of Britney spears except Beyonces campaign wasnt nearly as successful or popular.
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Post by bluenote on Jan 14, 2005 20:29:53 GMT -5
It's not that it's anti-Beyonce. It's just that people here praise her to the high heavens and unless you do too, you're called a "hater." Thats kind of what happens if u dont send praises to Mariah.
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Post by Evergreen on Jan 14, 2005 20:57:14 GMT -5
It's not that it's anti-Beyonce. It's just that people here praise her to the high heavens and unless you do too, you're called a "hater." I like Beyonce a lot. I think she's extremely talented and drop dead gorgeous. But some of you make her out to be soooo much more than all of her contemporaries, and she's really not. It's not about praising her to the high heaven's. I wasn't comparing the two with my personal opinions at all. But to say Brandy is more successful than Beyonce is just plain untrue. It's not about opinions, it's about facts. Look at the box office totals, look at the album sales, look at the airplay, look at the Grammy's. Beyonce is the clear winner. The fact that you are trying to minimize the accomplishments of Beyonce instead of showing her in more successful light than Brandy just goes to show you can't prove Beyonce to be a more successful artist. And oh yeah, what's even more telling, the originial thread I replied to, you compared Brandy's most successful album to Beyonce's only album. Why not compare Beyonce's debut album to Brandy's? Or even more telling would be comparing the latest album's of both. Well, you didn't do that because Beyonce sold about 11 more times than Brandy's. Yeah, you can talk about the reason's why Beyonce's movies did so well, or how she doesn't deserve her Grammy's. That doesn't change the fact that she did have a HUGE movie, and she DOES have 8 Grammy's. Beyonce's doing it bigger than all the other diva's on the list, no if's, and's, or but's, about it. If you dispute that, it's DEFINITELY based on a dislike or preference for someone else, not facts. So say you like one of the girls on the list more, but if you say Beyonce isn't the most successful you are just flat out wrong.
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Post by allow that on Jan 14, 2005 21:07:29 GMT -5
And oh yeah, what's even more telling, the originial thread I replied to, you compared Brandy's most successful album to Beyonce's only album. Why not compare Beyonce's debut album to Brandy's? Brandy's debut had 3 Hot 100 Top 10's and 4 R&B Top 10's (including 2 #1's). As far as the Hot 100 goes, it was at a time when Urban artists were at a disadvantage on the Hot 100 since Urban radio wasn't even included in the compilation of the chart and Pop radio didn't play Rhythmic songs in 1994. Otherwise, "I Wanna Be Down" and "Baby" very possibly could've gone to #1. Her 4 debut album singles performed very comparably to Beyonce's on the R&B chart. LOL, you're missing the whole point then. That's not "more telling." That would tell you who's more popular NOW. No one is saying Brandy is more popular than Beyonce NOW. No, you're wrong. For one thing Alicia Keys sold more NOW than Beyonce did of their 2003 albums.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 14, 2005 21:20:56 GMT -5
"LMAO, you can't give Beyonce all the credit for the third movie in Mike Myers' successful franchise. Doesn't matter who played her part, coulda been Bea Arthur, and the film still woulda grossed that much." So you are giving Brandy full credit for her part in I Still Know though? Just being naggy ;) I dont get the people here praise her to high heavens. If you so much as compliment her voice, 10 people descend upon you telling you how overrated she is and how the other girls are so much better and that we should "get our heads out of her ass" (yes, that is a quote ) I like Beyonce. I think she is pretty and I am happy she is successful, in a group and as a solo artist. I dont worship her. In fact, I have only bought two of her cds and they were both DC (Writings and Survivor) Is she overrated? Probably. Most artists who are in the spotlight are. Its like a necessary step when you reach a certain level of celebrity-you have to be declared overrated lol.
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Post by Bob on Jan 14, 2005 21:33:32 GMT -5
It is so laughable that since a 2 year old JD production saved Monicas ass, suddenly she isnt "struggling" anymore when she has hell of a alot more flops than Brandy. she was never struggling, and she doesn't have more flops than Brandy, lol. Brandy couldn't even field a third single off EITHER of her last two albums... she didn't pull off a single hit off this new one, much less a huge #1 and a second decent hit. you just like hating on whatever josh or i like.
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Post by Bob on Jan 14, 2005 21:36:47 GMT -5
why are any of you even arguing their acting careers? at this point, their movies will only be a footnote in their biographies (except brandy's TV show maybe). my point is their acting is irrelevant to this. beyoncé hasn't carried a movie on her own, no where near, and i don't know that she ever will. neither has brandy, but she did carry a TV show.
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Post by GiggaWho on Jan 14, 2005 21:48:36 GMT -5
LOL. The Battle is over, but the fight has just begun!
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Post by Evergreen on Jan 14, 2005 22:11:10 GMT -5
Brandy's debut had 3 Hot 100 Top 10's and 4 R&B Top 10's (including 2 #1's). As far as the Hot 100 goes, it was at a time when Urban artists were at a disadvantage on the Hot 100 since Urban radio wasn't even included in the compilation of the chart and Pop radio didn't play Rhythmic songs in 1994. Otherwise, "I Wanna Be Down" and "Baby" very possibly could've gone to #1. Her 4 debut album singles performed very comparably to Beyonce's on the R&B chart. LOL, you're missing the whole point then. That's not "more telling." That would tell you who's more popular NOW. No one is saying Brandy is more popular than Beyonce NOW. No, you're wrong. For one thing Alicia Keys sold more NOW than Beyonce did of their 2003 albums. That's just not true. Alicia's Keys album HASN'T outsold "Dangerously in Love" as of the last chart. Now it's completely possible that she will outsell her in the future, but for now, you are just posting more erronous information. (I actually looked up the sales tallies). Besides that, let's look at the singles from the albums, then it becomes even more clear who was more successful. And lets go back to the "Never Say Never" era. That's around the same time Beyonce's Child released "The Writings on the Wall." I don't even need to pull out those numbers. We both know who was doing it bigger. Even back then, Beyonce was selling more records, and she's selling more records to this day.
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Post by Ironically Ironic on Jan 14, 2005 23:23:21 GMT -5
Why is their an argument between Beyonce and Brandy, my 2 fav. singers.
Brandy did her thing and now Beyonce is doing her thing and Beyonce is far from over. But Brandy.. i dont know.
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No one will EVER be sastified with the grammys and to say that Beyonce didnt deserve 5 grammys is what happen every year. Last year, how Norah with her boring self didnt deserve all those grammys or how Alicia win all those 5 and beat out India Arie. I think she deserved them and many other people did but not all do and no one will ever. Whoever is the big winner at the grammys will always be said that they didnt deserve all those awards. And all those songs Bee won, she sung in and produced and written in then so why are you making her wins seem bad.
Also, Austin Powers would have did god w or w/o Bee but Im sure Bee helped the sales. I only saw Goldmember cuz of Bee and so did a lot of other people. Its the highest grossing movie of the Austin series. But Moesha was the #1 show in african american and hispanic homes for 5 years and thats a feat theat hasnt been beaten yet.
And with the album thing, Im Love Brandy but Im sorry, Brandy never was like how Bee was. Brandy sales basically is similar to Bees and her albums came out when doenloading was low and females sold a lot more. But Brandy did had good singles.
But all in all, I love Bee and Brandy but I do think Bee is better. Her 1st solo album did better than most artists career and yall are comparing Brandy 4 albums too Bees one or ALicias 2 albums to Bee ones. And if we bring up DC, there is no competiton for who did better.
But let this argument end though
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Post by Bob on Jan 15, 2005 0:03:34 GMT -5
psh psh psh... alicia deserves every grammy she has gotten and will get. beyoncé deserved maybe one, if that.
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Post by bluenote on Jan 15, 2005 1:32:04 GMT -5
she was never struggling, and she doesn't have more flops than Brandy, lol. Brandy couldn't even field a third single off EITHER of her last two albums... she didn't pull off a single hit off this new one, much less a huge #1 and a second decent hit. you just like hating on whatever josh or i like. she was NEVER struggling? is this the same chick that had that embaraasment of "all eyes on me" and had to go back and re-record because her leaked material was so horrid? The same chick who had a massive flop after a huge #1 r&b hit? the same chick that took OVER a year to be certified as platinum and she STILL hasnt scanned over 1 million units? Please, get real. And I could care less about what you or Josh like. Neither of you are important and you need to get your head out of the clouds. if u are silly enough to believe that I dont care for a particular artist just becase u like them, then you really need to get over yourselves.
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Post by allow that on Jan 15, 2005 1:35:02 GMT -5
The same chick who had a massive flop after a huge #1 r&b hit? "Knock Knock" peaked at what, #13 or #14? That's not a flop. Is this necessary? Your attitude lately has been awful, you better shape up. You manage to always duck bans by the skin of your teeth but keep this attitude up and it's coming.
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