American Top 40 - October 9, 2004

[Love Plastic Love]

I dont think the country song would be the problem. The same generic rap songs filling up the top 10 for 3-4 months at a time...yes I could see people hating that.

[lacrosseboy]

A lot of CHR stations are already doing that. ;)

[Love Plastic Love]

and?

I am proud to have stations that have not jumped on the generic r&b bandwagon. One isnt even playing Goodies :snicker:

[Arson]

I think Seacrest is a fine host, and some of the new features are good, so there ARE people who still listen to the countdown but nonetheless wishes that maybe the recurrent rules could be reinstated, or the panel could perhaps include stations that do not carry AT40.  I can understand why the lack of transparency may bug some people about the current AT40 chart.

I don't see the point of comparing overall success of CHR/Pop's top artists with those reaching the heights of the Hot 100.  If such a comparison needs to be made, one should be comparing an All-format Mediabase chart with the Hot 100 to see the effect of sales. 

[lacrosseboy]

Thanks for summarizing it up so nicely. I hadn't even thought of the all-format chart.

Though in the interest of statistics, the two cannot be scientifically compared because they both use different methods of determining the #1 song.

Poetry In Motion-You are lucky that your station doesn't play Goodies. I wish that KDWB didn't play it all the time. I like the Hot 100's methodology, but I don't like all of the songs that hit either.

[mst3k]

Torin said:

In number of affiliates and money-making, yes.  In interest level, no. 

I'm not suggesting they do this, that is my wishful thinking.  I would personally love to start up my own show that has the caliber of AT40, but is more comprehensive.  But yes, going back to the Hot 100 would kill the show.  CHR wouldn't like that one bit!  Imagine being forced to play a country song!  The ratings might go down!!  :o

You do realize that there's already a countdown show that uses the Hot 100? ;)

www.billboardradio.com

[charlypp]

Torin Gustafson wrote:
"charlypp, remember that when Casey started AT40 that Billboard was the officially endorsed chart before you say that R&R is the best without any insight as to why. Also, please respect his decision to step down and to endorse Ryan Seacrest. Before Ryan even started Casey took a liking to him. "

Hey,also remember when Casey started Casey's Top 40,R&R was chosen as the official chart,and the show stuck with it,making it better than AT40 with Shadoe and the weekly top 40,R&R open a bigger door.
As far as I understand,Casey's leaving the show was Premiere upper managment decision,what else can we wait for a network that have Rick Dees.You can't fool me.

To his age,Casey's doing better shows.

[Keith3000]

Arson said:

I don't see the point of comparing overall success of CHR/Pop's top artists with those reaching the heights of the Hot 100.� If such a comparison needs to be made, one should be comparing an All-format Mediabase chart with the Hot 100 to see the effect of sales.�

Exactly. People keep comparing the two charts because at one time they were similar -- i.e. before the Hot 100 became a multi-format chart. For God's sake, the Billboard equivalent to the R&R CHR/Pop chart is the Top 40 Mainstream chart, not the Hot 100. Because it's a multi-format chart, there's no way AT40 would use the Hot 100 -- AT40 has always been a mainstream pop countdown and its affiliates are all pop stations (and possibly a few Hot AC stations as well).

I agree, I'd also like to see a multi-format chart based on spins (i.e. the R&R equivalent of the Hot 100). Now that's something you could compare the Hot 100 to in order to see the effect of sales. But for that matter, if you want to see the effect of sales, just compare the Hot 100 chart to the Hot 100 Airplay chart...the fact that they're almost identical itself shows how miniscule single sales are in the US.

[j]

Torin said:

Wouldn't it be dull if every week this thread was posted and all you did was complain without any real substance or insight?

Isn't that already happening (unfortunately)?

MikeK102 said:

Maybe you don't get it - I said I can't find a good reason. That is not to say that the reasons previously stated are good.

??? "Good reasons"? "Reasons stated previously are good"? This isn't a subjective discussion. This is factual and goes into the workings and methodology of the AT40 chart, which cannot be contested because they are facts.

[Love Plastic Love]

Poetry In Motion-You are lucky that your station doesn't play Goodies. I wish that KDWB didn't play it all the time. I like the Hot 100's methodology, but I don't like all of the songs that hit either.

I actually do consider myself lucky-I lean more rock/pop rock/alternative and I have an excellent alternative station and the top 40 stations COULD be worse. Sure they overplay but I would rather hear She Will Be Loved 70 times a week than Goodies 120 times a week

[lacrosseboy]

j said:

Isn't that already happening (unfortunately)?

Well, no. I don't know anyone else here besides myself that has a contact on the show's staff and is able to uncover the dirt of what is happening behind the scenes. So the first part of what I said is true, but I at least TRY to bring substance and insight.

In my opinion anyhow, it is better than this thread simply being posted and people complaining. I've been telling you WHY these changes have been occuring so that you can at least see that there is a method behind the madness.