atlantaboy
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Post by atlantaboy on Apr 8, 2008 15:35:36 GMT -5
See that's why she doesn't seem like a "superstar" (in the U. S.) to me...the material she puts out and her influence on pop culture seem like the two most important aspects of superstardom to me To put it another way, Alanis spawned a dozen "clones", and so in a way did Matchbox 20 and Usher...for 18 years, Mariah really didn't spawn any (maybe Kelly Clarkson at first, but then she switched up her style and sounded more like Alanis...and now maybe Leona, but it's been 18 years lol) Christina Aguilera, Rihanna, Beyonce,.... Really can't see Rihanna or Beyonce as influenced by Mariah (cause Mariah made herself popular through slow ballads where she could show off her vocal range, etc.)...maybe Christina later in her career, but can't see Mariah singin Genie In A Bottle lol
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Post by atlantaboy on Apr 8, 2008 15:40:16 GMT -5
Other artists are also influenced by many other artists, so you can not say, Alanis has 18 clones and Mariah has none. See my point? Yeah I guess I meant that Alanis really started a new trend, where Mariah was continuing a style already used by Whitney, Janet (in ballads), Aretha Franklin, etc...so people like Meredith Brooks and Michelle Branch prob. wouldn't have started writing if it weren't for Alanis, and really don't think the same is true for Mariah and Christina (started with teen pop, later used swing-style music, etc.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2008 16:19:14 GMT -5
I think Carey's voice and singing style influenced a lot of singers who were trying to hit the notes she could hit and motivated people to sing.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Apr 8, 2008 17:04:24 GMT -5
And if anyone's calling "Thank God I Found You" or "Heartbreaker" #1 hits, then you might as well call every song by every artist that's ever hit the top 20 of the pop airplay charts a #1 hit as well. Anyone, as in Billboard magazine? Maybe you should take your argument up with people that make the rules, rather than a message-board. (and what's your argument anyways? Didn't Leona just have a #1 hit when she was #15 or so on the airplay charts? If Madonna goes #1 this week, she's at #29 in airplay.... should it not count as a #1 hit??)
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Post by atlantaboy on Apr 9, 2008 18:25:44 GMT -5
And if anyone's calling "Thank God I Found You" or "Heartbreaker" #1 hits, then you might as well call every song by every artist that's ever hit the top 20 of the pop airplay charts a #1 hit as well. Anyone, as in Billboard magazine? Maybe you should take your argument up with people that make the rules, rather than a message-board. I think what he means is that (especially durin the 90s) almost any song that had decent airplay on rhythmic/urban/and pop could hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 (since only urban/teen singles were widely available to purchase), and a lot of them (includin those two) turned out to be pretty weak hits overall Heartbreaker only hit #21 on CHR, and Thank God I Found You hit #28 on CHR, so I think it's really hard for CHR listeners to think of them as #1 hits
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2008 19:11:53 GMT -5
So CHR listeners decide what a real #1 is?
Both songs had huge sales and Heartbreaker was a Top10 Hot Airplay Hit.
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Post by atlantaboy on Apr 10, 2008 9:44:03 GMT -5
So CHR listeners decide what a real #1 is? I think they're used to it, cause CHR airplay controlled the Hot 100 throughout all the decades up to the 90s...so it seems really bizarre that Billboard would rank a song at #1 that peaked at #28 on CHR ...And there was that huge controversy over singles sales throughout the 90s, cause basically only urban/rhythmic was available to buy - so almost all urban/rhythmic hits had huge sales, while huge pop/alternative hits peaked in the 20s cause their single wasn't available for consumers to buy
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