tinawina
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Post by tinawina on Oct 14, 2009 21:59:44 GMT -5
Nothing I will say will matter to you. We've all been here before. But I'll try.
You whole argument is built on the idea that 1. Cook has been pushed aside by RCA and 19, 2. Adam Lambert is a superstar and 3. neither RCA or 19 will care about Cook if other idols are making them money.
I think Cook hasn't been pushed aside.. that album's run is over. That happens. There is nothing to push anymore. He's going back in the studio and recording for round 2.
Adam Lambert has not sold a record yet. We don't know if he's really a superstar.
And even if he is, labels/management don't ignore one act because another makes them money. They would not be in business long that way. If Cookie delivers product to the label that everyone thinks can sell, then he will get a push because he has a radio format to start from and a fanbase. If the song fits into CHR they will play it. PDs don't blacklist people, they are just looking for hot songs. Acts have had moderate hits only to come back with a bigger hit in the next era.
DC's fate is on his own shoulders and the music climate at the time. Not on any of the other Idols. You know labels sign acts that are not Idols right? I mean his future isn't set in stone or anything, but he will certainly get his chance at bat.
You can ignore me now. LOL
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Post by hellothere on Oct 15, 2009 11:54:08 GMT -5
^^^ Actually, no. My whole argument is built on the fact that 1. RCA released the weakest possible singles and let the album die, 2. The difference in the amount of publicity being arranged for Adam vs. David last year (or at all) is exponential and 3. the crap singles that were released flopped hardcore.
Cook has enormous talent and could have been truly successful. The way that he was marketed and the material that was released prevented that from happening. And, as a fan, seeing his career end like this makes me sad.
And, of course, one can argue that his career isn't over, and to a minute degree, that is true. He will always be able to make a living in some capacity through music. But his chance to become a relevant, mainstream artist with a long, high-profile career with a major label deal has passed, through minimal fault of his own.
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soundUPsceneDOWN
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Oct 15, 2009 12:18:04 GMT -5
Cook actually got a good deal of promotion. He was on Saturday Night Live, Oprah, all the talk shows, all the magazines, Christmas special, lots of American Idol promotion at the beginning of season 8. 19M treated him well. What they're doing with Adam is unusual, although frankly, I think they're making Adam into a tabloid celebrity more than anything.
So Cook was treated really well by 19M. Yeah, RCA didn't release the best singles, but that happens with a lot of artists. I tend to think that 19M will treat Cook well the next time too. I mean, they got him on Carrie Underwood's Christmas special when there's no real reason for him to be there (i.e., he's not promoting anything).
I don't know how he'll do next album. My point is that we can't tell how he'll be treated right now. We have to wait.
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atgs
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Post by atgs on Oct 19, 2009 20:05:54 GMT -5
I had a friend telling me about a David concert she attended last week and then I remembered I had never posted here. LOL
I'm very interested in his next album. I think he has done well for himself especially in the sense of creating a good name for him. I like David and David's music quite a lot, and I actually wish he didn't have to go mainstream. If he could find a place where he'd done well without that need for CHR radio I would enjoy that very much. I don't know if AAA will ever play idols, but that's the format I'd like to see him.
I have read he was going to start working on his new album, any hints about it? Having listened to some of his past and recent work (including some live performanceS), he seems to be a guy who's always trying something different. So I'm thinking this second one will probably have different elements (if it's up to him). I follow David on twitter, so I hope he uses that to keep us updated.
Btw, funny last page. Only on Pulse you read certain things. I like what David has done so far. And you know, he could have two more albums, they could flop, and at the third one sell OMG!!1111 AMAZING! LOL Career over? Seriously?! LOL That's really not happening anytime soon. Sorry to disappoint ;) If the label or management didn't want him they would kicked his ass. Just taht simple. Especially Fuller. It's clear Fuller likes him and will support him.
And that's great about Carrie's holiday special. They seem to be friends and they have good chemistry on stage, so that should make for good musical moments.
He should record Died In Your Arms Tonight. A studio version of that would killer. I ripped the sound from a youtube video. Such a jam!
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StarSprinkles
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Post by StarSprinkles on Oct 19, 2009 21:20:32 GMT -5
I'm very interested to see what he does next too. He needs to step away from being a Daughtry/Nickelback soundalike and find his own sound. As it stands as is, he sounds generic.
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Post by atgs on Oct 20, 2009 14:30:30 GMT -5
His album sounds nothing like Daughtry or Nickelback though. But Light On does. That's my only problem with releasing that single. It does give that image of him when the rest of the album doesn't really sound like it. I don't find it representative. I can't imagine songs like Declaration, Heroes, Lie, Avalanche, Permanent, A Daily Anthem, etc... on Daughtry's or Nickelback's albums. lol That's why I hope RCA doesn't force that sound, even if it's just a single next time.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Oct 20, 2009 14:58:18 GMT -5
^^ Maybe not on Nickelback's album, but I can imagine many of those on Daughtry's album.
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Post by Streets Ahead on Oct 28, 2009 0:20:05 GMT -5
One Second To Change Your Life (one of the songs that didn't make the debut)
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Post by tsharky on Oct 28, 2009 9:41:00 GMT -5
Is he releasing another single off this album? He should.
I can't wait to see him on Carrie Underwood's Christmas special 12-7. They did a Van Halen duet, and he also performed "Lies" I think.
It will air a second time closer to Xmas, on 12-22 I think.
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StarSprinkles
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Post by StarSprinkles on Oct 28, 2009 10:25:35 GMT -5
I really wish he'd release another single. I actually like his ESPN single. I think it was smart to pair him with so many sports programs.
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Post by hellothere on Nov 8, 2009 17:44:12 GMT -5
A question was raised elsewhere that I am curious to get some feedback from this board on. Despite his album's success, when taking into consideration that his singles haven't set the world on fire, is David considered a failure by his label? Does this play into the fact that there is not another single (maybe an actually good one) and they have stopped promoting him? If so, what does this mean for the second album?
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soundUPsceneDOWN
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Nov 8, 2009 20:01:02 GMT -5
A question was raised elsewhere that I am curious to get some feedback from this board on. Despite his album's success, when taking into consideration that his singles haven't set the world on fire, is David considered a failure by his label? Does this play into the fact that there is not another single (maybe an actually good one) and they have stopped promoting him? If so, what does this mean for the second album? My thoughts: 1) Is he considered a failure by his label? Not unless RCA was run by a bunch of monkeys. They forked out a decent amount of cash to produce his record (the collaborators/producers he used weren't cheap), which meant he had to sell a decent amount and make a decent amount via touring and merch to make a profit. But I'm fairly certain the label made a profit. I wouldn't doubt that 19/RCA has a 360 deal with him, meaning they take a cut of everything. I'm sure they're fine with an artist who is an album seller even if he never had a big hit. 2) Lack of a third single If 19/RCA made a profit off his album and they believe that putting more money into pushing a third single won't net them enough rewards (i.e., a sufficient amount of album/single sales to cover the cost), they're not going to do it. I don't think it has anything to do with whether they think he's a success or not. Sometimes the cost/reward ratio lands in favor of taking what you already got and moving on. In other words, 19/RCA may believe that they've gotten all they can squeeze out of this set of songs and, given that radio is being inundated with debut singles from new albums right now, it may not be worth it to try and push another song that will only land Cook another HAC or AC success (which will sell a few more albums, but probably not enough to cover the cost of paying people to make the effort). 3) None of the above has anything to do with the second album so long as the label gives him a second album, which they have. He's already writing for it. The second album will start things anew. He'll have a new debut single, which always gets more attention than a second or third single. And by the time he's completed a second album and releases a single from it, CHR may be more friendly to his brand of post-grunge rock. Will the second album sell as much as the first? Probably not. A combination of declining album sales as well as the lack of post-Idol buzz will require Cook to rely solely on his existing fan base as well as how well his debut single does. But it could still do fairly well.
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Stephen
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Post by Stephen on Nov 8, 2009 20:14:39 GMT -5
At Underwood's special during downtime, he mentioned the second album in a way that made it sound like it would drop soon. I'm thinking second quarter 2010.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Nov 8, 2009 22:16:11 GMT -5
At Underwood's special during downtime, he mentioned the second album in a way that made it sound like it would drop soon. I'm thinking second quarter 2010. I think I remember hearing Summer 2010.
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Post by Berry on Nov 11, 2009 2:24:34 GMT -5
new song David performed tonight
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Post by sunpeach on Nov 18, 2009 16:29:20 GMT -5
New song ain't that great. The thing is, he's a fantastic singer and performer but his songs aren't very good.
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Post by Modern Myth on Nov 18, 2009 21:30:56 GMT -5
#DavidCookTheAlbum is the 3rd biggest trending topic on Twitter, wonder why?
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Post by Mike on Nov 18, 2009 21:33:02 GMT -5
#DavidCookTheAlbum is the 3rd biggest trending topic on Twitter, wonder why? One year since his album dropped.
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Post by Berry on Dec 5, 2009 12:58:12 GMT -5
From twitter Claude Kelly: Where are all the David Cook fans? im in the studio with the incredible @thedavidcook now! Rockin the f&*k out! David Cook:everyone check out @claudekelly> Rad dude. yep, I said it. RAD. DUDE.
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Post by tinawina on Dec 5, 2009 13:16:09 GMT -5
From twitter Claude Kelly: Where are all the David Cook fans? im in the studio with the incredible @thedavidcook now! Rockin the f&*k out! David Cook:everyone check out @claudekelly> Rad dude. yep, I said it. RAD. DUDE. Well, that's different. Heh.
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Post by Rumors on Dec 5, 2009 16:03:42 GMT -5
new song David performed tonight That performance wasn't terrible but it was kind of all of the place. Tired voice. I will say one thing that if he wants to go in that hard a rock place he needs a better touring drummer.
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Post by tsharky on Dec 5, 2009 22:04:59 GMT -5
I can't wait to see what David and Claude Kelly come up with! Should be good.
Hopefully they didn't cut the VanHalen duet out of the Carrie Xmas show. David will still sing Lies for sure, but apparently they had trouble clearing the song with Van Halen. Stupid not to get clearance ahead of time.
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Post by atgs on Dec 6, 2009 13:37:12 GMT -5
He's in studio with Claude today again.
Looks like the label is aiming for CHR. I think that's good.
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Post by Glenneth Paltrow on Dec 7, 2009 5:54:52 GMT -5
I'm excited for this. Even if Claude Kelly is considered too pop (for him), I don't care. Cookie needs to get exposed to a different sound and hook-making capabilities. I love Neal but he hasn't showed me any song that I could say, " Hey, that's going to be a hit." And if he could make Always Be My Baby sound dirty and unperky, then he could always get the rough edge of any song Claude Kelly may come up with.
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Post by tsharky on Dec 7, 2009 23:36:48 GMT -5
Fantastic performance of Lies by David on Carrie's Xmas show tonight! wow!
It is doing well on itunes too, as well as his album. yeah!
too bad the duet was not cleared by Freakin' Van Halen. :(
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Post by hellothere on Dec 8, 2009 0:57:21 GMT -5
"Lie" was fantastic. I wish the duet had cleared as well. David and Carrie sound fabulous together. Seeing him perform this was a bit of a double edged sword, though. While it was a great performance (and a hell of a song), it also makes one wonder how much stronger this era could have been if RCA had released better songs (and virtually every song on the album is better than the shit they released) and if they had put half as much effort into him as they are now putting into others (with lesser results).
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Post by realityBITES on Dec 8, 2009 1:02:11 GMT -5
I just bought "Lie." How many singles did they officially release? 2? He's got a great voice. I hope RCA treats him better for his second album.
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Post by hellothere on Dec 8, 2009 1:09:36 GMT -5
^^ Ditto. Unfortunately, given how they basically tossed him to the curb even after selling platinum with their crap singles, and all of their money being drained elsewhere, I don't see it happening. ETA: Nice showing on itunes (#160) for a single that has never had airplay off of a year-old album. Now, if we could just convince David to shove someone's face in his crotch on prime-time TV, 19/RCA might just take notice.
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Post by lyrichord on Dec 8, 2009 1:22:17 GMT -5
I always wondered why 19 didn't try to do any cross promotion of "Lie" with the Fox program "Lie to Me" since that line is in the song so many times. Anyway, that part where he performed the song acapella was just chillingly awesome.
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Post by realityBITES on Dec 8, 2009 1:27:49 GMT -5
#17 on pop albums, too.
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