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Post by American Idiot on May 9, 2009 17:19:51 GMT -5
This song just won't die, lol. It has now gone top 10 on both CHR and HAC. Next up: Country and Rhythmic. These days, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it made a slight dent on those charts. I can't think of any examples over the past decade, but I do remember Alternative stations playing TLC's "Waterfalls" as much as Pop stations back in 1995 I think it was???
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on May 9, 2009 17:59:03 GMT -5
I figured some faith oriened artist would recreate this song. It seems pretty natch for those surveys.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on May 10, 2009 2:40:25 GMT -5
These days, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it made a slight dent on those charts. I can't think of any examples over the past decade, but I do remember Alternative stations playing TLC's "Waterfalls" as much as Pop stations back in 1995 I think it was??? They must not have played it too much, if it never charted on Alternative. My station certainly never touched it, nor would they even consider playing TLC.
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Post by pen on May 10, 2009 10:18:51 GMT -5
If it charted on Alternative it's not a stat that Billboard or Wikipedia carries.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 10, 2009 11:48:45 GMT -5
This song just won't die, lol. It has now gone top 10 on both CHR and HAC. Next up: Country and Rhythmic. These days, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it made a slight dent on those charts. I can't think of any examples over the past decade, but I do remember Alternative stations playing TLC's "Waterfalls" as much as Pop stations back in 1995 I think it was??? Naw Alternative never played T. L. C., but they def. played Lose Yourself By Eminem...also thought it was weird when they played The Bad Touch by the Bloodhound Gang in 2000
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on May 10, 2009 21:09:23 GMT -5
I thought Bloodhound Gang was an alternative group to begin with?
And I feel I have pose this question with the incredible success of Second Chance. Is this now the biggest single ever released from a Florida band? Now I'm sure I'm missing some, but other than Limp Bizkit, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Allmans, and The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus I don't know of any other big Florida bands.
So Second Chance or Free Bird as the biggest song to ever come from the Sunshine State?
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Post by pen on May 10, 2009 21:11:18 GMT -5
Creed.
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Post by Matt4319 on May 10, 2009 21:12:51 GMT -5
Matchbox Twenty. And if you want to expand to pop, you could throw in Backstreet Boys and *NSYNC.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on May 10, 2009 22:45:40 GMT -5
Didn't know about Matchbox 20 and Creed. And yes, I was excluding pop. But do either of the new groups mentioned have bigger Modern / Active / Heritage / Mainstream rock songs that Second Chance? I know Free Bird is classic, but it was not a major hit. I'd assume Bent, Higher, and With Arms Wide Open have a say in this discussion.
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Post by jvandyck87 on May 10, 2009 22:59:43 GMT -5
I mean the biggest Matchbox 20 hits as far as rock and pop success are from their first album. So rather than "Bent" I'd probably nominate "Push" and "3 AM." Though I do like "Bent" much more.
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Post by American Idiot on May 10, 2009 23:55:38 GMT -5
Out of the ones that weren't mentioned from Florida, of course I name to name NEW FOUND GLORY!!!, Nonpoint, Less Than Jake, Dashboard Confessional, Against Me!, Yellowcard, Anberlin, Underoath, Copeland, Stereoside, The Almost, and I'm sure there's others that I'm just not thinking of at the moment.
There also are a few that aren't around anymore such as Socialburn, Darwin's Waiting Room, Mighty Joe Plum, etc.
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Post by pen on May 11, 2009 0:13:41 GMT -5
Out of the ones that weren't mentioned from Florida, of course I name to name NEW FOUND GLORY!!!, Nonpoint, Less Than Jake, Dashboard Confessional, Against Me!, Yellowcard, Anberlin, Underoath, Copeland, Stereoside, The Almost, and I'm sure there's others that I'm just not thinking of at the moment. There also are a few that aren't around anymore such as Socialburn, Darwin's Waiting Room, Mighty Joe Plum, etc. Adam, you know I'm your friend, so I mean no offense when I ask this, but you do know why we're naming Florida bands, right?
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Post by jvandyck87 on May 11, 2009 1:36:01 GMT -5
There's also the University of Florida and Florida State marching bands!!!
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Post by American Idiot on May 11, 2009 13:28:13 GMT -5
Out of the ones that weren't mentioned from Florida, of course I name to name NEW FOUND GLORY!!!, Nonpoint, Less Than Jake, Dashboard Confessional, Against Me!, Yellowcard, Anberlin, Underoath, Copeland, Stereoside, The Almost, and I'm sure there's others that I'm just not thinking of at the moment. There also are a few that aren't around anymore such as Socialburn, Darwin's Waiting Room, Mighty Joe Plum, etc. Adam, you know I'm your friend, so I mean no offense when I ask this, but you do know why we're naming Florida bands, right? Sure. Because we're figuring out that Shinedown may have the biggest song from a band from Florida. Am I right? I know none of the ones I mentioned have ever had a single with the success of "Second Chance," but since some were mentioned, I figured why not keep the list going? Besides I also forgot Tom Petty.
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Post by pen on May 11, 2009 13:46:18 GMT -5
Adam, you know I'm your friend, so I mean no offense when I ask this, but you do know why we're naming Florida bands, right? Sure. Because we're figuring out that Shinedown may have the biggest song from a band from Florida. Am I right? I know none of the ones I mentioned have ever had a single with the success of "Second Chance," but since some were mentioned, I figured why not keep the list going? Besides I also forgot Tom Petty.
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Post by Cody on May 11, 2009 15:17:11 GMT -5
yeah Tom Petty, Free Fallin pretty must destroys Second Chance success wise
Id also say that among Creed song, Higher, With Arms Wide Open, and My Sacrifice beat Second Chance, and for MB20, Bent, 3AM, and Push were all more successful
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on May 11, 2009 15:30:06 GMT -5
More successful how? Second Chance has bested all of those second paragraph examples.
But it appears Free Bird has to be the most famous song from Florida. Ramblin' Man second?
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Post by Cody on May 11, 2009 15:31:22 GMT -5
well you should go by more than chart numbers.
All the song I listed are songs people know, and are all massive reccurents. Second Chance is still a current, you cant say its bigger than any of those yet
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Post by pen on May 11, 2009 15:34:58 GMT -5
Even if we're going by chart numbers, "Higher" has higher numbers across the board.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on May 11, 2009 15:39:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Creed topped Modern and Active / Mainstream / Heritage yet. Shinedown has. But I doubt it ever reaches the cultural success of Free Bird.
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Post by pen on May 11, 2009 15:41:50 GMT -5
Well yes. "Free Bird" is the only song I can think of that's become a running gag.
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Post by crash46 on May 11, 2009 15:58:57 GMT -5
I would have guessed that Florida had more of a larger scene than what's represented here.
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Post by pen on May 11, 2009 16:07:52 GMT -5
How large of a scene were you expecting?
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Post by crash46 on May 11, 2009 18:40:02 GMT -5
Well, I wasn't thinking southern California, but each and every one of the bands Adam mentioned are niche bands with zero true gold hits (time will tell if "The Feel Good Drag" will count). RJA really has one notable hit, and Limp Bizkit's claim to fame is being one of the most flash-in-the-pan bands of all time. I was thinking there would be more classic rock along the lines of Skynyrd, and a lot more of a contribution to modern rock than Creed and Shinedown, mainly due to the number of people who live down there and its overall desirability.
And about "Second Chance", three words: it's from 2009. Not comparable with classic hits.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on May 11, 2009 19:07:21 GMT -5
Summer of 2008 actually.
But I'm only using its amazing success on multiple formats as the springboard for its future airplay. It's obviously going to be played for decades to come on many markets. I'm only asking if there's a comparable hit this big on this many radio formats from any other Florida bands. I haven't seen the great example yet, although some notable artists have been mentioned.
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Post by pen on May 11, 2009 19:29:26 GMT -5
Well, I wasn't thinking southern California, but each and every one of the bands Adam mentioned are niche bands with zero true gold hits (time will tell if "The Feel Good Drag" will count). RJA really has one notable hit, and Limp Bizkit's claim to fame is being one of the most flash-in-the-pan bands of all time. I was thinking there would be more classic rock along the lines of Skynyrd, and a lot more of a contribution to modern rock than Creed and Shinedown, mainly due to the number of people who live down there and its overall desirability. And about "Second Chance", three words: it's from 2009. Not comparable with classic hits. Well I see your point. As Ziff mentioned, The Allman Brothers Band also formed in Jacksonville as well as .38 Special. There's 2 Live Crew for hip-hop. Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers, that's a huge contribution. Death, Morbid Angel, Deicide, Obituary, Iced Earth, Malevolent Creation, and Atheist for metal. I'm looking this all up, but really, it looks like the scene in Florida is really pretty new as far as music history goes. But I don't know, it all depends on what you think is a contribution. Limp Bizkit, Creed, Marilyn Manson, and Matchbox Twenty have all certainly had a major effect on popular music. A lot of the bands Adam mentioned are well-respected in their various scenes. Underoath, Against Me!, New Found Glory, Nonpoint, Yellowcard, Less Than Jake, Dashboard Confessional, these names not mean much to you or to the world in general, but they mean a lot to the scenes they come from and some of those have made a significant impact there. There's also Poison The Well, Cold, Trivium, Shai Halud, and Sister Hazel. There are a lot of bands from Florida that aren't huge, but still add something to their respective scenes. So, I don't know, it depends on what you consider to be significant.
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Post by My Life Is A Stereo on May 11, 2009 19:34:59 GMT -5
yeah I'd have to say Tom Petty would be the biggest of the bunch. Considering up til 1995 (and possibly a few later) he was the #1 Mainstream (album rock) act according to Billboard. With almost as many hits as Pete Rose, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers are an icon of rock music.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on May 11, 2009 19:42:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I almost completely agree with Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers as the most important act to come out of the state. Although The Allman Brothers Band would give them a heck of a run as far as significance goes. I would not even come close to putting Shinedown with those names. But remember, I was only asking if this was the most famous rock song to emerge from Florida.
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Post by pen on May 11, 2009 19:45:23 GMT -5
Well it should be obvious that it's not then, shouldn't it?
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Post by Rumors on May 11, 2009 20:15:25 GMT -5
Second Chance is a really good song. For me this guy's vocals blow away anything I've heard from radio darlings like Chris Daughtry and Nickleback. Is his voice good in concert?
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