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Post by MyLastView on Aug 2, 2006 17:46:58 GMT -5
Huh?
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Filthy Pop
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Post by Filthy Pop on Aug 2, 2006 18:04:40 GMT -5
U+UH isn't being released in the U.S. only the rest of the world, something else is going to get released in the U.S.
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Post by polly on Aug 2, 2006 20:55:03 GMT -5
It's gona be a LOOOOOOOOONG WAYYYYYYY TO HAPPY !
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Post by winner2000 on Aug 2, 2006 21:27:31 GMT -5
U+UH isn't being released in the U.S. only the rest of the world, something else is going to get released in the U.S. Oh wow I didn't know that. Well you guys don't deserve U+UH anyways
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Post by muscleclub on Aug 2, 2006 21:29:32 GMT -5
U+UH isn't being released in the U.S. only the rest of the world, something else is going to get released in the U.S. Oh wow I didn't know that. Well you guys don't deserve U+UH anyways HAHAHA! Good one and I think you are right!
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Post by nitro on Aug 3, 2006 9:46:22 GMT -5
ok... Who Knew is better song that wbt... but... wbt is just ok... and is the best song on the history of radio because RADIO decided play it to death and was #1 14 weeks not because the people buy digitally the song or something else like One Sweet Day @ that time... the song wasn't even pass the 800000 copies sold... ok the album sold well because the song but it wasn't worth the 14 weeks @ #1... Radio put the song @ #1 ... not the people... and... Shake It Off is just garbage that was #2 because the radio wanted to continue what they did with WBT.. (I'm not saying that We Belong Together is a bad song... is good... but Who Knew is better as pop song) 1) This isn't a Mariah forum so I don't know why you're bringing her into this. Just because Avril has disappeared, you don't have to get bitter against artists you don't like. Go to their forums and vent. Not Pink's 2) If WBT was "just ok" and SIO was "garbage," I don't think radio would just play it anyway, especially given that it's Mariah. They played her because fans wanted to hear it and were requesting it like crazy. Mariah does have fanatic fans, but she is good to her fans. She devotes time to them. She is a great person. Radio snubbed most of Mariah's stuff initially, and Z100 added it fairly late, but eventually all the radio stations had to cave in because fans were requesting it like crazy. Your statements just refelect your opinion, but should be prefaced as being your opinion. I think if people didn't like Mariah's songs off of TEOM, she wouldn't sell 6 million copies of her album, and if it was crap, I don't think the Grammys would have put her up for eight nominations. Just because you don't like something, it doesn't make it "garbage." If you THINK it's garbage, that's one thing, but to flat out call something garbage when it clearly isn't is inappropriate. WBT still occassionally hovers around the I-tunes Top 100, and is still getting decent recurrent airplay (It's # 13 on tne recurrent airplay chart). For a song that was release in April of last year, that is pretty impressive. It probably will be the song of the decade chart-wise, airplay-wise and in terms of critical acclaim.
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Post by skaterboyccs on Aug 3, 2006 9:54:55 GMT -5
I think that Mariah success was a little of luck and a little of payola and become urban to get played on every format... good... but not for 14 weeks...
So... if we talk of fans request remember "Hung Up" was requested to death for her fans... and that doesn't work and was barely played... so don't tell me about fan requests.. over... peace...
and I'm am talking about the way of radio can ignore a good song... and P!nk was ignored even it was a good album and one of the best songs of the year... not like a generic R&B ballad like WBT
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Post by MusicJunkie on Aug 3, 2006 10:51:04 GMT -5
2) If WBT was "just ok" and SIO was "garbage," I don't think radio would just play it anyway, especially given that it's Mariah. They played her because fans wanted to hear it and were requesting it like crazy. Mariah does have fanatic fans, but she is good to her fans. She devotes time to them. She is a great person. Radio snubbed most of Mariah's stuff initially, and Z100 added it fairly late, but eventually all the radio stations had to cave in because fans were requesting it like crazy. Your statements just refelect your opinion, but should be prefaced as being your opinion. I think if people didn't like Mariah's songs off of TEOM, she wouldn't sell 6 million copies of her album, and if it was crap, I don't think the Grammys would have put her up for eight nominations. Just because you don't like something, it doesn't make it "garbage." If you THINK it's garbage, that's one thing, but to flat out call something garbage when it clearly isn't is inappropriate. WBT still occassionally hovers around the I-tunes Top 100, and is still getting decent recurrent airplay (It's # 13 on tne recurrent airplay chart). For a song that was release in April of last year, that is pretty impressive. It probably will be the song of the decade chart-wise, airplay-wise and in terms of critical acclaim. I STRONGLY disagree with what you said about radio. So you mean just because radio sends a song to #1 it isn't crap? Give me a break. The airwaves are loaded with garbage. Just because it's a success doesn't mean it's good material. There are also many songs that are amazing and have flopped in the past. WBT might be the song of the decade chart-wise and airplay-wise. In terms of critical acclaim? No. If WBT never broke that record, no one on this board would overrate it the way they do. I LOVE the song, but it's nothing groundbreaking. It just appealed to a wide variety of different listeners which lead to so much radio play.
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Post by skaterboyccs on Aug 3, 2006 10:57:55 GMT -5
^^^^ Totally agree... (and I'm not a Mimi hater)
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Post by Dan on Aug 3, 2006 12:11:19 GMT -5
2) If WBT was "just ok" and SIO was "garbage," I don't think radio would just play it anyway, especially given that it's Mariah. They played her because fans wanted to hear it and were requesting it like crazy. Mariah does have fanatic fans, but she is good to her fans. She devotes time to them. She is a great person. Radio snubbed most of Mariah's stuff initially, and Z100 added it fairly late, but eventually all the radio stations had to cave in because fans were requesting it like crazy. Your statements just refelect your opinion, but should be prefaced as being your opinion. I think if people didn't like Mariah's songs off of TEOM, she wouldn't sell 6 million copies of her album, and if it was crap, I don't think the Grammys would have put her up for eight nominations. Just because you don't like something, it doesn't make it "garbage." If you THINK it's garbage, that's one thing, but to flat out call something garbage when it clearly isn't is inappropriate. WBT still occassionally hovers around the I-tunes Top 100, and is still getting decent recurrent airplay (It's # 13 on tne recurrent airplay chart). For a song that was release in April of last year, that is pretty impressive. It probably will be the song of the decade chart-wise, airplay-wise and in terms of critical acclaim. I STRONGLY disagree with what you said about radio. So you mean just because radio sends a song to #1 it isn't crap? Give me a break. The airwaves are loaded with garbage. Just because it's a success doesn't mean it's good material. There are also many songs that are amazing and have flopped in the past. . ::)Just because you don't like a song, it doesn't mean it's crap. Songs go to #1 because people like it. You may not like it, but there are songs on the radio that people love.
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Post by skaterboyccs on Aug 3, 2006 12:14:52 GMT -5
I STRONGLY disagree with what you said about radio. So you mean just because radio sends a song to #1 it isn't crap? Give me a break. The airwaves are loaded with garbage. Just because it's a success doesn't mean it's good material. There are also many songs that are amazing and have flopped in the past. . ::)Just because you don't like a song, it doesn't mean it's crap. Songs go to #1 because people like it. You may not like it, but there are songs on the radio that people love. the song is not a crap (WBT), Bot it's OBVIOUS that the song was #1 only because the radio programmers wanted to play to death... not for people choice (downloads etc etc) and shake it off peaked on #13 or something like that on single sales... that's totally unfair... a single is good when people buy it... not because the radio play it...
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Post by Dan on Aug 3, 2006 12:18:28 GMT -5
I'm not talking about WBT. MusicJunkie was generalizing and saying radio sends some crap songs to #1. But just because he thinks it's crap, doesn't mean it is. There are people that do love the songs that he thinks are crap. It's all a matter of opinion.
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Post by nitro on Aug 3, 2006 14:15:59 GMT -5
I"m not disagreeing that radio sends crap songs to #1, I'm arguing about skaterboy saying WBT being a big song "because radio sent it to # 1" or because "radio programmers wanted to play it to death." It was very, very hot on the request lines and the song got great critical acclaim (hence all the nominations). It's sales were probably weak people probably didn't buy her singles because they were buying The Emancipation fo MImi album. It was the biggest selling album of 2005, so that's where her sales went. Despite that, the single sold fairly well. I-tunes caters to a fairly narrow socioeconomic subgroup. The people living up in Harlem who blast Power 105 aren't represented in I-tunes sales, but they'll buy an album on CD becuase they can get a portable CD player for a cheap price (usually around $20). There are a lot of people who depend on radio for their music, and don't have I-tunes. Illegal downloads are also an often ignored market. I know tons of people who still illegally download music, particularly becuase many of the download formats available are not very flexible in terms of being able to do whatever you want with them.
There have been plenty of crappy songs that have gone to #1 on radio that the Academy has clearly ignored (we didn't see Laffy Taffy nominated for any Pop grammys), but what I'm saying is that Mariah's success wasn't just based on radio "sending" it to #1... it was a variety of factors including her promoting her material, great critical acclaim, great first single (ILT got tons of requests... it was at #1 on Z100's countdown for over 5 weeks, then they sudenly dropped the song without any explanation, and fans were very, very angry). Mariah had a great album. WBT helped sell it, along with SIO and ILT.
And even if radio "sends" a crappy song to #1, it's often because people want to hear it. If people want to hear Laffy Taffy or Candy Shop, they'll play it. Yes, some stations will play a song a lot if they believe it is a good song or they feel their listeners will like it despite not getting a lot of requets, but for it to go to #1 on the radio charts, I'm sure people have requested the song. Radio is a business. If people want to hear a song, they'll play it. yes, payola may get an artist a few spins, but it's not going to send a song to #1 (they'd have to pay a lot of stations off, and by that time, I'm sure the scandal would be exposed), the requests for it will. They want to keep their listeners (end customers) happy, and make sure they have enough listeners.
Anyway, let's get back to Pink. Anyone know what the 3rd single is?
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Post by skaterboyccs on Aug 3, 2006 14:48:14 GMT -5
WBT indeed is a good song that really did deserve go to #1 but not deserve be the #1 song of the decade and 14 weeks on the top... I think that Rihanna Pon De Replay, Missy's's Loose Control, and The PussyCats' Don't Cha really are songs that did deserve the #1 position and were #1 on sales etc but because the airplay of WBT peaked of #2... that's totally unfair... SIO is only more of the same thing
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Post by pinkeatspeaches on Aug 3, 2006 16:05:25 GMT -5
can we go back to Who Knew?
So for the first time, P!nk peaked in #1 in Italy with Who knew :)
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Aug 3, 2006 19:26:45 GMT -5
^^ Airplay these days is so rigged and stupid...They don't take requests, only survey results from restricted tests::) That's why the UK Singles Sales Chart and Oricion Charts are better charts than the BBHot100...They go by what people liked...What they bought - from what they heard. You can get ALL the airplay in the world, doesn't mean anyone likes the song - If they buy it, people liked it.
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Post by skaterboyccs on Aug 3, 2006 21:38:37 GMT -5
good for who knew... everytime I see the video I get shocked... the song and the video are perfect and break my heart hehe
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Post by MusicJunkie on Aug 3, 2006 21:55:58 GMT -5
^^ Airplay these days is so rigged and stupid...They don't take requests, only survey results from restricted tests::) That's why the UK Singles Sales Chart and Oricion Charts are better charts than the BBHot100...They go by what people liked...What they bought - from what they heard. You can get ALL the airplay in the world, doesn't mean anyone likes the song - If they buy it, people liked it. Exactly. I don't even know why U.S. radio stations even have phone lines open for requests.
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Post by polly on Aug 4, 2006 2:13:13 GMT -5
US radio is evil. I don't like it. It promotes this fabricated MTV live style. I don't like it. When someone genuine, ala Pink comes along with awesome substance, and radio turns her down, you know there is something wrong. It sucks. But I think Pink, in time will leave a legacy of her own behind. People will remember, as the woman who carved her own way to success!
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Post by Felicia on Aug 4, 2006 5:48:36 GMT -5
US radio is evil. I don't like it. It promotes this fabricated MTV live style. I don't like it. When someone genuine, ala Pink comes along with awesome substance, and radio turns her down, you know there is something wrong. It sucks. But I think Pink, in time will leave a legacy of her own behind. People will remember, as the woman who carved her own way to success! ??? You guys are getting ridiculous, pointing fingers at whoever you can, just 'cos Pink has her ultra-super-mega excellent song flop like shiat.
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Post by pgs71991 on Aug 4, 2006 5:55:38 GMT -5
Z100 PLAYED THIS AT 11:24 LAST NIGHT
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Post by polly on Aug 4, 2006 7:02:21 GMT -5
I don't think we're getting ridiculous. It is radio who is ridiculous.
But yeah... moving on!
Who Knew has sold 112,300 copies in the the UK to date. Very good figures. Stupid Girls has sold 80,000.
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Post by MusicJunkie on Aug 4, 2006 8:35:53 GMT -5
Z100 PLAYED THIS AT 11:24 LAST NIGHT I can't believe they did that. Who Knew has just fallen 19 spots and they decide to add it now? This sucks.
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Post by polly on Aug 4, 2006 8:41:49 GMT -5
HAHA... oh I'm so amused.
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Post by Felicia on Aug 4, 2006 9:15:31 GMT -5
It's probably just a test spin.
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Post by polly on Aug 4, 2006 9:18:01 GMT -5
HAHA alittle too late.... no?
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Post by jamesforyou on Aug 4, 2006 9:55:41 GMT -5
Up to n8 on the United World Chart.
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Post by polly on Aug 4, 2006 12:23:56 GMT -5
Yeah this sing has a great bit of longevity. It's still 8, an there's not even a month to go before UUH get's released!
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Post by skaterboyccs on Aug 4, 2006 13:23:34 GMT -5
ok... z100 and another stations has to play it @ an hour when people really hear it ... not when everyone is sleeping... this song deserves success
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Post by muscleclub on Aug 4, 2006 13:48:48 GMT -5
Z100 PLAYED THIS AT 11:24 LAST NIGHT I can't believe they did that. Who Knew has just fallen 19 spots and they decide to add it now? This sucks. LOL! ... They played the song at 11:24 ... pgs was probably the only one listening at that time!
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