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Post by Pulse on May 24, 2006 8:37:42 GMT -5
Taylor is different though. I knew Bo wouldnt sell especially with that long hair. That image would have worked in the 80s but its a complete joke now. About that last statement, Katherine does have a huge ass, so I dont think anyone will debate that. , and shes talented, but not as talented as Taylor ;)
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Post by Hook on May 24, 2006 9:12:55 GMT -5
This is the worst Idol single I've ever heard. Katharine got really screwed over.
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Post by How Do You Do? on May 24, 2006 10:12:24 GMT -5
Taylor is different though. I knew Bo wouldnt sell especially with that long hair. That image would have worked in the 80s but its a complete joke now. About that last statement, Katherine does have a huge ass, so I dont think anyone will debate that. , and shes talented, but not as talented as Taylor ;) I guess I don't see Taylor as any different from Bo. They both are more comfortable singing older songs and don't relate to the current market. But, I don't get the appeal of Clay either and he sells tons of albums. So, Taylor could very well do the same.
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Post by No Brake$ on May 24, 2006 10:27:48 GMT -5
Well after Katherine's performance, I would bet my house that Taylor wins no matter what.
A. Katherine's song was horrible. B. Has anyone heard this on radio or again since last night? They were making fun of it on the morning show..oh my god, I didn't realize it was THAT horrible. I mean it was really the worst performance of the season, by ANYONE. C. Screw the studio version. I think a complete different song would be good for her. Focus on the holiday album, and work on her shit attitude.She can dream about even doing back up to a Kelly, Carrie, Fantasia, even Clay. D. Sure, Taylor's image is going to be difficult to sell, but I honestly do seem having a successful career at Hot AC\AC, as long as he is marketed properly. They can easily (as well with Katherine) sell out and release a ballad this Fall (which are on fire at CHR\POP), but whomever was in charge of the Breakway album for Clarkson....they need to work for these two. E. Is it possible that Chris will still do better than these two?
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Post by musiclives on May 24, 2006 11:54:32 GMT -5
What does Shakira have to do with AI contestants, oh that's right nothing. And Shakira's already gone Platinum and will sell over 1mm copies next week (she's at approx. 990K this week). Her album hasn't left the Top 20 since her song became a hit, so I don't see a comparison. Is she matching the 13mm copies of Laundry Service she sold WW in 2001-2002? No, she's not. But, her Spanish album has sold 4mm WW and her English album is on it's way to 3mm. She also has a WW tour that is selling out and a truckload of awards from the past year including a GRAMMY. Yeah, things are looking real grim for her. As for Bo, he's had good exposure on radio and TV and has still only sold 600K. Considering he was in the living rooms of 30mm+ and got tons of media coverage for months, that is very disappointing. Especially since his fans swore that he would outsell them all and leave Carrie, Clay and Kelly in his dust. Bo and Constantine were examples of fans believing the hype of the AI machine. Every year fans swear that their Idol will be the best EVA and it never happens. I just find it funny, that's all. I am sure plenty of people agree with you. Hmmm, I don't remember saying Shakira's album WOULDN'T go platinum I said it would STRUGGLE to go platinum, it's at 990,000 WOW and that is AFTER a re-release! Also, her album sales from 5 YEARS ago has NOTHING to do with today as well, EVERYONE was selling better 5 years ago! Point is, wether you want to admit it or not, as far as Album sales in the US YES she is struggling. BUT BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND Yes I think "My Destiny" was a really crappy song to be given to her, not to mentin she didn't have the voice to pull it off. I really don't see what everyone says about Katherine's voice, she doesn't have the best range and it's kind of stage-like.
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Post by When I Ruled the World on May 24, 2006 12:59:26 GMT -5
This is the worst Idol single I've ever heard. Katharine got really screwed over. This is what I was going to say. She got screwed over big time. Taylor got the better song. Also, it's so obvious Randy and Paula don't care for her.
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Post by Hook on May 24, 2006 13:25:42 GMT -5
Also, it's so obvious Randy and Paula don't care for her. Definitely. The judges downplayed her "Black Horse" performance and acted as if it was crap. It was great!
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 24, 2006 13:29:50 GMT -5
Yeah, the judges obviously didnt like her this year (with the exception of Simon sometimes)
But I agree with the Shakira fan about how every year people think a certain artist is different and will be a huge hit, and then they arent. I would not downplay Bo's success though-being a runnerup does not guarantee success and he has definitely outperformed most of the other runnerups. If he has a solid second single, I could see him going platinum with an outside chance at double which is nothing to snicker at...even if fans predicted more.
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Post by musiclives on May 24, 2006 21:04:58 GMT -5
HA HA! !!!! YEAH!!!!
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Post by Diablo Cody™ on May 25, 2006 1:52:58 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with Katherine's big ass. She's got junk in her trunk, yo!
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Post by Diablo Cody™ on May 25, 2006 1:54:20 GMT -5
OH, and the 501 times I voted for Katherine tuesday night, I'm glad I did, even if she lost.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on May 25, 2006 7:21:21 GMT -5
looking forward to the studio version
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on May 26, 2006 11:15:27 GMT -5
when asked if she cared for her single, she said the studio version is very good. and the background adds a whole different feel to the song that wasn't captured on the stage.
no word on this yet ?
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Post by PerPlexied on May 26, 2006 16:14:15 GMT -5
It's been spun 9 times. Not sure if it is the studio version or the live version.
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Post by lulu1001 on May 26, 2006 16:44:58 GMT -5
Yeah, the judges obviously didnt like her this year (with the exception of Simon sometimes) But I agree with the Shakira fan about how every year people think a certain artist is different and will be a huge hit, and then they arent. I would not downplay Bo's success though-being a runnerup does not guarantee success and he has definitely outperformed most of the other runnerups. If he has a solid second single, I could see him going platinum with an outside chance at double which is nothing to snicker at...even if fans predicted more. I agree with this. Being runner-up is a very hard spot given the tough state of the music industry. The exposure to 30 million people is misleading since most AI viewers don't actually go out and buy the albums. They're watching Survivor, except with singing. They just want to know who gets voted off the island! By the time the CDs come out, most have completely forgotten the contestants. To have any success the artists have to cross over to the record-buying public and we all know how hard it is to break into Pop/CHR. Without the Idol title, it's really tough. Clay Aiken is an anomoly because his AI fanbase was so strong, and because TPTB learned their lesson. They'll never let that happen again. That said, Bo's first single did OK at pop, and is now racing up the AC charts. A good second single will keep sales going. IMHO, Katherine should pray for success on the level Bo's had. I like her, but I don't think she'll do it.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 26, 2006 19:03:52 GMT -5
I think she has an outside chance if she releases a REALLY hot song. If the song is mediocre or even just "good", she will be another Diana/Justin.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on May 26, 2006 19:21:47 GMT -5
Yeah, but how likely is it that an American Idol runner-up is going to be given a *really* hot song for their first single off their album? Honestly, I think she'll be given a bit more of a shot because she's hot and people think they can market her well.
My prediction: More successful music career than Justin and Diana, less successful than Bo, far less successful than Clay. Poor girl got stuck with this shitty track, bad even by AI coronation standards.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 26, 2006 19:27:00 GMT -5
Thats why I think she may get a good song-she is hot, people do like her, and she is VERY VERY easily marketed. I mean...Justin? How do you market that? Even Diana...she just didnt have any edge or market. I think she will get a much better song than Diana or Justin got...and once again, I am thinking about the actual album release-most/all of the coronation songs SUCK-I hate Taylor's and I dont even think Katherine's is the worst (sadly)
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Post by emily4 on May 27, 2006 15:21:42 GMT -5
Being runner-up is a very hard spot given the tough state of the music industry. The exposure to 30 million people is misleading since most AI viewers don't actually go out and buy the albums. They're watching Survivor, except with singing. They just want to know who gets voted off the island! By the time the CDs come out, most have completely forgotten the contestants. To have any success the artists have to cross over to the record-buying public and we all know how hard it is to break into Pop/CHR. Without the Idol title, it's really tough. Clay Aiken is an anomoly because his AI fanbase was so strong, and because TPTB learned their lesson. They'll never let that happen again. That said, Bo's first single did OK at pop, and is now racing up the AC charts. A good second single will keep sales going. IMHO, Katherine should pray for success on the level Bo's had. I like her, but I don't think she'll do it. This is so true. Everyone talks about all the exposure the AI contestants have, but the audience is not the same as the record-buying public. The people who watch the show aren't avid music fans, who consider the show a great place to find new music. It's a TV show, plain and simple. If Katharine gets some support from the label and a decent single, she has a chance since she can be marketed to pop (unlike Taylor probably). I think she'll do better than Diana and Justin (wouldn't be hard), but I'd be really surprised if she did as well as Bo and Clay. Mainly because while she may get a decent single/album, I don't see them investing enough in her to give her great songs. I actually think we'll be seeing her on Broadway in a couple of years time.
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Post by Cooler than ever! on May 27, 2006 15:23:58 GMT -5
I can't believe my girl didn't win. :(
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Post by Mic Technique on May 27, 2006 16:03:56 GMT -5
I can't believe it either.
I have never wanted anyone to "make it" as much as I do for Katharine. She must be seen. She must be on the radio. She must fill that Mariah/Celine/Whitney void. She must be a superstar.
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Post by top40dj on May 27, 2006 16:14:56 GMT -5
232 KATHARINE MCPHEE My Destiny 2006 --- 9 0 9 0.122
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Post by JCMF3 on May 27, 2006 16:26:29 GMT -5
232 KATHARINE MCPHEE My Destiny 2006 --- 9 0 9 0.122 I bet they're all from LA (the audience is large for just 9 spins...).
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Post by lulu1001 on May 27, 2006 17:28:14 GMT -5
The signs are really not good for Katherine. Her single is in the 50s at B&N and #80 at Amazon. Normally, those things go right to the top 10 just on fanbase pre-orders. Last year Bo and Carrie were #1 and #2 for weeks at B&N and in the Top 10 at Amazon. I believe the same was true for Fantasia and Diana deGarmo.
I also noticed Kat's AI track is only #60 on iTunes - Taylor, Elliott and Chris are all ahead of her.
During the show, I really thought Kat would be very marketable, but if this is all the excitement she can drum up right after the finale, I doubt she'll get good songs for her album.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 27, 2006 17:30:31 GMT -5
Yeah, its not good that her single sales seem to be lagging-however, I will say that Bo was ahead of Carrie on amazon at least leading everyone to believe he would blow her away (and he didnt) So online sales are not always good indications of sales.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on May 27, 2006 18:27:02 GMT -5
well it looks like she'll be performing this a couple times next week... so i'm sure it'll go up at amazon and what not. has taylor performed his at all yet? i know he's done a few talk show rounds already.
ETA: also, let's not forget that no one has even heard the studio version yet! taylors was available the night he won.
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Post by lulu1001 on May 27, 2006 21:02:37 GMT -5
Yeah, its not good that her single sales seem to be lagging-however, I will say that Bo was ahead of Carrie on amazon at least leading everyone to believe he would blow her away (and he didnt) So online sales are not always good indications of sales. No, but he did sell 75% of what Carrie sold in her first week. I don't think online sales are an accurate predictor of exactly what will happen, but they are an indicator of interest. I do think it's a very bad sign that Kat's now down below #100 on Amazon right at the time when her fans would be most likely to be riled up and showing their support.
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Post by I Wish on May 27, 2006 21:37:10 GMT -5
Katharine has an awful song as the first single. That's why its kinda slow. Simple.
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Post by emily4 on May 28, 2006 8:34:37 GMT -5
I don't think the single sales are an indication of her future success. If her album is pretty good and if she gets decent promotion, she can still do very well. The fact that Bo's version of Inside Your Heaven, which was the "coronation" song that both Bo and Carrie released as singles, debuted at #1 - pushing Carrie out of that spot - showed that his fanbase from AI was on a par with Carrie's. He didn't outsell Carrie, but he came close. His CD sales aren't close. I think it has to do with the fact that his fans from AI thought it was too pop and so there wasn't great buzz about it initially from his existing "base", and it's hard to break into the pop market for a new artist (even one who had exposure on TV every week) - although Bo is doing it slowly with a top 20 hit in The Real Thing and almost certainly another one in his next single release. Carrie's album was more along the lines of what was expected from her, pretty country songs sung with a pretty voice (doesn't hurt that she's very pretty too!), so the AI fans liked it, and the country market was very welcoming to her.
Basically I think the single sales might reflect the difference in the AI fanbases, and in the case of Katharine specifically, the fact that her song is pretty sucky might make it look more lopsided than it really was, but she is probably very marketable outside of the AI audience, and I think if her CD is decent, she may still do very well.
That said, the single sales may be a factor in the decision of how much the label is willing to invest in her CD, so her album might not end up being very good if her single doesn't do well.
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Post by cinnamingirl on May 29, 2006 1:03:17 GMT -5
I just don't see the fanbase strength for Katharine that there was for Carrie and Bo, as far as buying is concerned. And the song is crappy and not suited to her voice.
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