Beyonce, "Irreplaceable"

[juhn]

hidizzyguy said:

It's just funny to say that Irreplaceable is soooo big when like, it's popularity right now is dead smack in the middle of a big stale period in music ..... what the heck is she competing against at the moment, Smack That?... Fergalicious?........ WBT had Green Day and Kelly Clarkson and Hollaback Girl to compete with, some of the biggest songs we've seen.......and for a time she was battling with herself with SIO for airplay when it first came out....

None of those you mentioned (Green Day, Kelly Clarkson and Hollaback Girl" were huge on both Rhythmic and Urban, so Mariah wasn't "battling" anyone on the overall Hot 100 Airplay / Hot 100 charts. If she was, she wouldn't have stayed at No. 1 for so long. Duh.

[popmusicaddict]

juhn said:

hidizzyguy said:

It's just funny to say that Irreplaceable is soooo big when like, it's popularity right now is dead smack in the middle of a big stale period in music ..... what the heck is she competing against at the moment, Smack That?... Fergalicious?........ WBT had Green Day and Kelly Clarkson and Hollaback Girl to compete with, some of the biggest songs we've seen.......and for a time she was battling with herself with SIO for airplay when it first came out....

None of those you mentioned (Green Day, Kelly Clarkson and Hollaback Girl" were huge on both Rhythmic and Urban, so Mariah wasn't "battling" anyone on the overall Hot 100 Airplay / Hot 100 charts. If she was, she wouldn't have stayed at No. 1 for so long. Duh.

That's not true, the Urban advantage IS significant and robs alot of pop/roc artists of the #1 spot on Hot 100 but its not like the AC and Rock charts are completely ignored and not factored in. Kelly was gigantic on AC's (the reason BTHE hit #1 on both Adult top 40 and Hot AC airplay). Green Day was so big on the Rocks that they actually got more format airplay than Mariah Carey that year.

Overall they 'sort of' fill the gap so she was still battling them, maybe not runner up directly on the Hot 100 but definately those artists weren't completely ignored on Hot 100 airplay and not being huge in the urbans definately doesn't stop a sales battle between Pop+Urban songs vs Pop+AC or Rock.

[skaterboyccs]

beyonce is falling very fast on iTunes... told ya..

[popmusicaddict]

skaterboyccs said:

beyonce is falling very fast on iTunes... told ya..

Don't think it will effect her fall on Airplay charts..

[skaterboyccs]

but if she keeps on falling... and Nelly's downloads keep growing Nelly can be #1 if she has like... 50k downloads more than Irreplaceable in 2 weeks

[popmusicaddict]

skaterboyccs said:

but if she keeps on falling... and Nelly's downloads keep growing Nelly can be #1 if she has like... 50k downloads more than Irreplaceable in 2 weeks

Eitherway an extremely uphill battle on all 3 major charts:

Hot 100 is gonna be hard cuz of Beyonce's urban advantage

Billboards R&R might be a good shot, but will still be a big battle

Mediabase CHR/Pop will be the hardest of all , since iTunes is the least factor in of the 3 of these charts.

[skaterboyccs]

no way that Say It Right will be #1 on CHR/Pop.. but I hope she'll be #1 on hot 100 @ least for 1 week...

Is confirmed that Get Me Bodied is the next single? that song ROCKS! Is one of my favs on the album

[..Varun..]

in terms of worldwide popularity more people loved we belong together, as in it changed mariah's career completely..it obviously has more iconic value if thats a word. I know irreplaceable is a massive massive smash hit, but one shouldnt compare it to we belong together, mariah was one of the biggest flops in music when this song suddenly changed her career standing, while beyonce has been hot since a long time. Personally i see more people liking we belong together, or maybe its jus where i live.

[Jennifa]

Actually, in terms of worldwide, "Irreplaceable" is far bigger. Here in the USA tho, WBT was bigger.

[Pulse]

popmusicaddict said:

skaterboyccs said:

but if she keeps on falling... and Nelly's downloads keep growing Nelly can be #1 if she has like... 50k downloads more than Irreplaceable in 2 weeks

Eitherway an extremely uphill battle on all 3 major charts:

Hot 100 is gonna be hard cuz of Beyonce's urban advantage

Billboards R&R might be a good shot, but will still be a big battle

Mediabase CHR/Pop will be the hardest of all , since iTunes is the least factor in of the 3 of these charts.

??? Billboard's R&R Chart and Mediabase are like practically the same thing. So how would iTunes affect Mediabase any less than the R&R charts?

[Jennifa]

I see this getting 8 weeks at #1 on Pop in total.

[juhn]

popmusicaddict said:

juhn said:

None of those you mentioned (Green Day, Kelly Clarkson and Hollaback Girl" were huge on both Rhythmic and Urban, so Mariah wasn't "battling" anyone on the overall Hot 100 Airplay / Hot 100 charts. If she was, she wouldn't have stayed at No. 1 for so long. Duh.

That's not true, the Urban advantage IS significant and robs alot of pop/roc artists of the #1 spot on Hot 100 but its not like the AC and Rock charts are completely ignored and not factored in. Kelly was gigantic on AC's (the reason BTHE hit #1 on both Adult top 40 and Hot AC airplay). Green Day was so big on the Rocks that they actually got more format airplay than Mariah Carey that year.

Overall they 'sort of' fill the gap so she was still battling them, maybe not runner up directly on the Hot 100 but definately those artists weren't completely ignored on Hot 100 airplay and not being huge in the urbans definately doesn't stop a sales battle between Pop+Urban songs vs Pop+AC or Rock.

Do you mind not spewing all that crap out of your mouth.

There was no way Green Day's Hot AC, Rock, Alternative, Triple A and Active Rock total AI can beat Mariah Carey on Rhythmic and Urban combined.

There was no way Kelly Clarkson's AC and Hot AC AI was going to beat the Urban and Rhythmic AI Mariah got.

Hollaback Girl had Rhythmic airplay, but no Urban, AC and Urban AC airplay. Again, no way she was going to beat Mariah.

None of them even came close to "WBT"s total AI. There was no "battling". Just like there's no "battling" Beyonce this week. That's why Mariah Carey and Beyonce are getting a long run at The Hot 100 #1. That's my point.

Now, do you understand, or do I have to go add up AI's on the various formats for you?

[Jennifa]

I agree with you but Hollacunt girl did get urban airplay, it went top 10 there.

[Caviar]

Uh Hollaback Girl made top 10 on Urban. ???

[popmusicaddict]

juhn said:

popmusicaddict said:

That's not true, the Urban advantage IS significant and robs alot of pop/roc artists of the #1 spot on Hot 100 but its not like the AC and Rock charts are completely ignored and not factored in. Kelly was gigantic on AC's (the reason BTHE hit #1 on both Adult top 40 and Hot AC airplay). Green Day was so big on the Rocks that they actually got more format airplay than Mariah Carey that year.

Overall they 'sort of' fill the gap so she was still battling them, maybe not runner up directly on the Hot 100 but definately those artists weren't completely ignored on Hot 100 airplay and not being huge in the urbans definately doesn't stop a sales battle between Pop+Urban songs vs Pop+AC or Rock.

Do you mind not spewing all that crap out of your mouth.

There was no way Green Day's Hot AC, Rock, Alternative, Triple A and Active Rock total AI can beat Mariah Carey on Rhythmic and Urban combined.

There was no way Kelly Clarkson's AC and Hot AC AI was going to beat the Urban and Rhythmic AI Mariah got.

Hollaback Girl had Rhythmic airplay, but no Urban, AC and Urban AC airplay. Again, no way she was going to beat Mariah.

None of them even came close to "WBT"s total AI. There was no "battling". Just like there's no "battling" Beyonce this week. That's why Mariah Carey and Beyonce are getting a long run at The Hot 100 #1. That's my point.

Now, do you understand, or do I have to go add up AI's on the various formats for you?

Damnit I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT FRICKEN AI here. I'm talking about spins and briefly sales, if you don't believe me, it was confirmed that Green Day got more spins that Mariah did on all formats and Kelly got much more for that year, I posted the exact numbers just go back in the CHR/Pop thread a tad. While the biggest song Audience wise was WBT, but I wasn't talking about that at all in this post either.

I was NOT talking about the AI , no where in my post does it say anything about that, it talks about sales and spins. Everythings not just about AI AI AI Hot 100 Hot 100 Hot 100, you Hot 100 heads are starting to piss me off...

[beaston]

This is still holding up so well at pop!

[MusicJunkie]

I predict this will drop a lot in the coming weeks. It's beginning to decrease a lot on Urban already.

[popmusicaddict]

I didn't know Hollaback girl was top 10 at Urban woah, Rhythmic sure but wow, shocker @ Urban.

Lol @ Jennifer's vocab. Its juvenile but can't help laughing...which means I'm juvenile... bah.

[MusicJunkie]

popmusicaddict said:

I didn't know Hollaback girl was top 10 at Urban woah, Rhythmic sure but wow, shocker @ Urban.

Yep. #4 Rhythmic, #8 Urban.

[Jennifa]

Hollaback Cunt was such a hot JAM!

[popmusicaddict]

jennifer said:

Hollaback c**t was such a hot JAM!

ROFL, stop making me laugh. Yah it was

[juhn]

popmusicaddict said:

Damnit I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT FRICKEN AI here. I'm talking about spins and briefly sales, if you don't believe me, it was confirmed that Green Day got more spins that Mariah did on all formats and Kelly got much more for that year, I posted the exact numbers just go back in the CHR/Pop thread a tad. While the biggest song Audience wise was WBT, but I wasn't talking about that at all in this post either.

I was NOT talking about the AI , no where in my post does it say anything about that, it talks about sales and spins. Everythings not just about AI AI AI Hot 100 Hot 100 Hot 100, you Hot 100 heads are starting to piss me off...

I was talking about lengthy stays on The Hot 100, which uses AI not spins.

(1) So if you want to talk about spins, then why respond to my post in the first place? Don't jump into other people's discussions, argue for no reason and then claim to be talking about something else that is irrelevant.

(2) Who cares about adding spins across all formats? No chart does that. So you're saying the songs were "battling" for having the most spins across all formats in a week? Yeah right. That has nothing to do with the original post I made.

[I love David and Theo]

No fighting gentlemen!

[popmusicaddict]

juhn said:

popmusicaddict said:

Damnit I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT FRICKEN AI here. I'm talking about spins and briefly sales, if you don't believe me, it was confirmed that Green Day got more spins that Mariah did on all formats and Kelly got much more for that year, I posted the exact numbers just go back in the CHR/Pop thread a tad. While the biggest song Audience wise was WBT, but I wasn't talking about that at all in this post either.

I was NOT talking about the AI , no where in my post does it say anything about that, it talks about sales and spins. Everythings not just about AI AI AI Hot 100 Hot 100 Hot 100, you Hot 100 heads are starting to piss me off...

I was talking about lengthy stays on The Hot 100, which uses AI not spins.

(1) So if you want to talk about spins, then why respond to my post in the first place? Don't jump into other people's discussions, argue for no reason and then claim to be talking about something else that is irrelevant.

(2) Who cares about adding spins across all formats? No chart does that. So you're saying the songs were "battling" for having the most spins across all formats in a week? Yeah right. That has nothing to do with the original post I made.

1) I wasn't argueing with you primarily, you were arguing with hidizzyguy as I said he had the best point in the thread, you retorted on his post and said none of those artists were huge on both Rhythmic and Urban and said Mariah wasn't battling anyone on the hot 100 airplay/charts (lol yah right). He was talking about spins and the main fight on the Pop charts, which is one of the biggest factors of the Hot 100. I then said you couldn't totally count out Kelly and Green Day on the Hot 100, all factors are 'supposidely' included in that chart, so regardless they were battling - and then I said quote 'maybe not runner up battling but they were battling'.

2) Obviously hidizzyguy, I, and alot others do. Afterall you don't have a audience without a spin Spins > AI overall. And if that had NOTHING to do with 'your' original post then you shouldn't have stuck your nose in hidizzyguy's post, I was simply backing up what he said and said it wasn't completely not a factor in the Hot 100.

But anyway I'm done. Even though I care about Irreplaceable's longevity in interest, I don't care about the Hot 100 - the most overrated airplay chart out there, so I'll see my way out. Enjoy your "AI" discussion.

[juhn]

popmusicaddict said:

juhn said:

I was talking about lengthy stays on The Hot 100, which uses AI not spins.

(1) So if you want to talk about spins, then why respond to my post in the first place? Don't jump into other people's discussions, argue for no reason and then claim to be talking about something else that is irrelevant.

(2) Who cares about adding spins across all formats? No chart does that. So you're saying the songs were "battling" for having the most spins across all formats in a week? Yeah right. That has nothing to do with the original post I made.

1) I wasn't argueing with you primarily, you were arguing with hidizzyguy as I said he had the best point in the thread, you retorted on his post and said none of those artists were huge on both Rhythmic and Urban and said Mariah wasn't battling anyone on the hot 100 airplay/charts (lol yah right). He was talking about spins and the main fight on the Pop charts, which is one of the biggest factors of the Hot 100. I then said you couldn't totally count out Kelly and Green Day on the Hot 100, all factors are 'supposidely' included in that chart, so regardless they were battling - and then I said quote 'maybe not runner up battling but they were battling'.

2) Obviously hidizzyguy, I, and alot others do. Afterall you don't have a audience without a spin Spins > AI overall. And if that had NOTHING to do with 'your' original post then you shouldn't have stuck your nose in hidizzyguy's post, I was simply backing up what he said and said it wasn't completely not a factor in the Hot 100.

But anyway I'm done. Even though I care about Irreplaceable's longevity in interest, I don't care about the Hot 100 - the most overrated airplay chart out there, so I'll see my way out. Enjoy your "AI" discussion.

1. You're done now? Good. Good riddance.

2. Don't try arguing with me again. You'll just lose again.

3. Beyonce rules; everyone else sucks.

[kel7]

I like this song and all, but this needs to give way to other artists to be in the #1 spot!

[abc]

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URB: 3968 (-343) 41.559
UAC: 1741 (+173) 19.888
HAC: 759 (+72) 3.522
SPC: 186 (+46) 2.478
ALT: 32 (+3) 0.132
RMX: 2 (+1) 0.003
TRP: 125 (+22) 0.798
ROC: 0 (-50)


wow

[Jennifa]

Still on FIYAH! Go Bee!!!

[beaston]

This is almost top 70 at smooth jazz! lmao!

[abc]

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UAC: 1724 (+90) 20.053
HAC: 774 (+78) 3.580
SPC: 193 (+50) 2.560
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