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Post by casanova on Feb 21, 2009 22:42:03 GMT -5
Okay, at first I was kind of on the fence about this CD and I really wasn't sure if I 100% liked it or not. I finally burned a copy to hold me over until the release date when I get my REAL copy, and I don't know what it is, but it just sounds AWESOME when I'm driving.  There's literally not one song that I can say I hate. They're all great, and I really like that every song is different. It's not following the pop-formula that defined Breakaway. It's creative like My December but has better production, which I still say that had that album been better produced (and not been publicly bashed/condemned basically by Clive Davis), it would have done just as well as her prior efforts. Job well done Kelly! Standout tracks: MLWSWY, Hook Up, Cry, Already Gone, Save You, Long Shot, Impossible. My thoughts on single order: 1. MLWSWY 2. Hook Up 3/4. Cry (perfect for fall/winter, seriously think this one is the "Because of You" of this album) 3/4. Impossible 5. Long Shot/Don't Let Me Stop You/1st Single off the re-release (I hope) |
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Post by casanova on Feb 21, 2009 22:43:31 GMT -5
Also just realized that Kelly wrote "Cry" - if that's released as a single, it's going to win her a Grammy. I'm calling it right now - somebody write it down. |
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Post by ƒreakshow on Feb 21, 2009 22:44:01 GMT -5
3/4. Cry (perfect for fall/winter, seriously think this one is the "Because of You" of this album)I think so too. |
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Post by neally on Feb 21, 2009 22:48:25 GMT -5
Also just realized that Kelly wrote "Cry" - if that's released as a single, it's going to win her a Grammy. I'm calling it right now - somebody write it down. Haha, you've been beat to it a few times over, lol. I didn't realize until your post just now that my favourite track on the record, 'Cry', was written by Kelly. You and I are very similar in that I, too, did not fully appreciate the quality of the record until I played it in my car with quality speakers (because I couldn't blast it late at night at home on my home theatre speakers, haha). I am actually looking forward to a rather long auto journey tomorrow, courtesy of this record. BTW- I can say now that Kelly's song-writing skills are no fluke since I have loved her penned songs for three records running !  |
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Post by tsharky on Feb 21, 2009 22:52:45 GMT -5
I have only heard the 30 second clips so far from Norway, but I really like what I heard so far. It is upbeat, catchy, and yet her voice sounds fantastic. I can't pick a favorite song yet on the clips, but I will after I hear the whole thing I am sure.
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Post by theprophet on Feb 21, 2009 22:57:04 GMT -5
"It seems to me that whenever someone hasn't liked one of her albums those people are extremely intent on expressing their discontent, almost as if other people's enjoyment or being in the minority opinion frustrates them to point of making repetitive dismissals of the material. I don't know what people get out of belaboring an unhappy stance on something that is a choice to spend time on. "This needs to be a signature-one of the best posts for this thread. If this or any other record is not for you, let it be known but to belabour the point over and over does seem a bit much, although I do appreciate the diversity of opinions. I have to say that what I find most comical is that some of very same folks that perform these repetitive dismissals are fans of some of the most unartistic, robotic, vocally-enhanced "artists" that could be considered to be among the biggest commercial "sell-outs" or whatever they are called, IMO. That just doesn't jive, lol..... Well you've obviously missed the whole point of the debate then, or you just don't understand it. It's not that anybody has a problem with commercial or "unartistic" artists, it has nothing to do with that. |
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Post by Treacherous on Feb 21, 2009 23:00:15 GMT -5
Soo I kinda have a stupid question. LOL
Suppose Kelly wins for Best Pop Vocal Album next year at the Grammy's and say she releases Cry or another song in 2010. Could that still get nominated or win any Grammy's?
Long Shot is know growing on me! So is Whyyawannabringmedown!
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Post by That Skipping Rope. on Feb 21, 2009 23:00:28 GMT -5
Yeah, exactly. I hate how every negative reaction to the direction of Kelly's music gets met with an accusation of not appreciating mainstream pop.
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Post by neally on Feb 21, 2009 23:08:09 GMT -5
"It seems to me that whenever someone hasn't liked one of her albums those people are extremely intent on expressing their discontent, almost as if other people's enjoyment or being in the minority opinion frustrates them to point of making repetitive dismissals of the material. I don't know what people get out of belaboring an unhappy stance on something that is a choice to spend time on. "This needs to be a signature-one of the best posts for this thread. If this or any other record is not for you, let it be known but to belabour the point over and over does seem a bit much, although I do appreciate the diversity of opinions. I have to say that what I find most comical is that some of very same folks that perform these repetitive dismissals are fans of some of the most unartistic, robotic, vocally-enhanced "artists" that could be considered to be among the biggest commercial "sell-outs" or whatever they are called, IMO. That just doesn't jive, lol..... Well you've obviously missed the whole point of the debate then, or you just don't understand it. It's not that anybody has a problem with commercial or "unartistic" artists, it has nothing to do with that. I believe I do understand it too well, but we simply have a difference of opinion, no biggie. I don't want to resurrect that conversation, lol.. |
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Post by Focus on Feb 21, 2009 23:13:40 GMT -5
Also just realized that Kelly wrote "Cry" - if that's released as a single, it's going to win her a Grammy. I'm calling it right now - somebody write it down. haha..I called it already.  Maybe not here, but in my head the moment I finished listening to it for the first time. |
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Post by blurple on Feb 21, 2009 23:17:05 GMT -5
Soo I kinda have a stupid question. LOL Suppose Kelly wins for Best Pop Vocal Album next year at the Grammy's and say she releases Cry or another song in 2010. Could that still get nominated or win any Grammy's? Yes! As long as they don't submit Cry this year, it doesn't matter if the album or the other songs are nominated (and wins eventually) this year. Cry is so reminiscent of BOY because you can totally hear and feel the emotion coming out of Kelly's voice. It's so darn heartfelt. |
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Post by Treacherous on Feb 21, 2009 23:17:26 GMT -5
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion! Preach on Luver! You nailed it! I became a fan when she released My December, and that album even if Im not in a depressed mood I could listen to over and over again. I have Breakaway and Thankful and they are really good, but(this is going to sound weird) I didnt have that emotional connection as I did with My December.
But some people like the commerical formulated pop stuff, thats cool theres some of that on the new album, My Life Would Suck Without You is one of them!
She likes to mix it up with every cd. If she wasnt happy with the cd she wouldnt have put it out? How do I know this? Cause when she did My December Clive Davis offered her 10mil to trash half the songs on My December...and you think she wouldve put out a record she wasnt proud of.
If you dont like it dont listen to it, no ones going to force you. Personally if Kelly sang the dictionary I would love it because I love her.
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Post by Treacherous on Feb 21, 2009 23:19:08 GMT -5
Soo I kinda have a stupid question. LOL Suppose Kelly wins for Best Pop Vocal Album next year at the Grammy's and say she releases Cry or another song in 2010. Could that still get nominated or win any Grammy's? Yes! As long as they don't submit Cry this year, it doesn't matter if the album or the other songs are nominated (and wins eventually) this year. Cry is so reminiscent of BOY because you can totally hear and feel the emotion coming out of Kelly's voice. It's so darn heartfelt. SWEET! This song screams GRAMMY! I still dont know how Because of You didnt win anything, that was a rob IMO. |
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Post by lyrichord on Feb 21, 2009 23:25:25 GMT -5
Yes! As long as they don't submit Cry this year, it doesn't matter if the album or the other songs are nominated (and wins eventually) this year. Cry is so reminiscent of BOY because you can totally hear and feel the emotion coming out of Kelly's voice. It's so darn heartfelt. SWEET! This song screams GRAMMY! I still dont know how Because of You didnt win anything, that was a rob IMO. It couldn't win a Grammy in the POP categories once the album already won, so it only had eligibility in Record or Song of the Year categories the following year. |
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Post by Monroe on Feb 21, 2009 23:25:35 GMT -5
are fans of some of the most unartistic, robotic, vocally-enhanced "artists" that could be considered to be among the biggest commercial "sell-outs" or whatever they are called, IMO. That just doesn't jive, lol..... If that's all you got out of the criticisms that people have posted then that's unfortunate as I am pretty sure no one has stated that was the sole reason of the lack of enjoyment of the album, and to belabor a point even further if you are going to lower your standards and compare Kelly to "unartistic", "robotic" and "vocally enhanced" artists then that makes her no better with this current material. |
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Post by blurple on Feb 21, 2009 23:28:22 GMT -5
SWEET! This song screams GRAMMY! I still dont know how Because of You didnt win anything, that was a rob IMO. It couldn't win a Grammy in the POP categories once the album already won, so it only had eligibility in Record or Song of the Year categories the following year. Oh I didn't know that... But if the album didn't win (but was nominated) then it's good? |
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Post by Treacherous on Feb 21, 2009 23:30:02 GMT -5
SWEET! This song screams GRAMMY! I still dont know how Because of You didnt win anything, that was a rob IMO. It couldn't win a Grammy in the POP categories once the album already won, so it only had eligibility in Record or Song of the Year categories the following year. Aww man! Oh well we will have to wait and see if Cry even gets released! With Christinas Back to Basics that was nominated but Candyman was nominated the following year, is that cause it didnt win? LOL sorry with all the questions! |
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Post by lyrichord on Feb 21, 2009 23:34:11 GMT -5
It couldn't win a Grammy in the POP categories once the album already won, so it only had eligibility in Record or Song of the Year categories the following year. Aww man! Oh well we will have to wait and see if Cry even gets released! With Christinas Back to Basics that was nominated but Candyman was nominated the following year, is that cause it didnt win? LOL sorry with all the questions! Yeah a song can be nominated the next year if the album didn't win but was nominated the previous year. |
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Post by neally on Feb 21, 2009 23:35:36 GMT -5
SWEET! This song screams GRAMMY! I still dont know how Because of You didnt win anything, that was a rob IMO. It couldn't win a Grammy in the POP categories once the album already won, so it only had eligibility in Record or Song of the Year categories the following year. Thanks for explaining that because I never understand those Grammy rules. So, I am understanding correctly then: the only exclusionary rule for a record or song to win an award in an all-genre category is if the same song or album did not win a genre category previously, no ? |
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Post by Treacherous on Feb 21, 2009 23:37:20 GMT -5
Aww man! Oh well we will have to wait and see if Cry even gets released! With Christinas Back to Basics that was nominated but Candyman was nominated the following year, is that cause it didnt win? LOL sorry with all the questions! Yeah a song can be nominated the next year if the album didn't win but was nominated the previous year. Oh okay that makes sense! Thank you very much! I still hope Kelly wins for All I Ever Wanted right now SO FAR in the year I havent seen any competition in my opinion. The album is wayy stronger than Britneys and others! I |
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Post by David on Feb 21, 2009 23:38:21 GMT -5
Also just realized that Kelly wrote "Cry" - if that's released as a single, it's going to win her a Grammy. I'm calling it right now - somebody write it down. I agree - but I said this like 15 pages earlier ;) |
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Post by neally on Feb 21, 2009 23:38:43 GMT -5
Yeah a song can be nominated the next year if the album didn't win but was nominated the previous year. Oh okay that makes sense! Thank you very much! I still hope Kelly wins for All I Ever Wanted right now SO FAR in the year I havent seen any competition in my opinion. The album is wayy stronger than Britneys and others! I Ah, don't count out U2 (and possibly Green Day later this year). They are usually Grammy shoe-ins for the general categories. |
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Post by Treacherous on Feb 21, 2009 23:40:13 GMT -5
^Yeah but arent they rock? I was talking about Best Pop Vocal Album not Album of The Year.
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Post by neally on Feb 21, 2009 23:47:14 GMT -5
^^ Yes they are- usually for general and rock categories. My bad !
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Post by Treacherous on Feb 21, 2009 23:48:09 GMT -5
^LOL its okay :)
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Post by lyrichord on Feb 21, 2009 23:49:49 GMT -5
It couldn't win a Grammy in the POP categories once the album already won, so it only had eligibility in Record or Song of the Year categories the following year. Thanks for explaining that because I never understand those Grammy rules. So, I am understanding correctly then: the only exclusionary rule for a record or song to win an award in an all-genre category is if the same song or album did not win a genre category previously, no ? Right, if an album wins pop or rock or country or r&b etc. genre category, its singles can't win from that genre in the vocal performance category the following year. There are ways of getting around that rule though, like releasing the track again as part of a "live" album the next year and submitting it. Of course whatever the third single off of Kelly's album is will be eligible since it'll probably be released by August, it's just a matter of what song the record label chooses to support. In 2005, they chose SUBG over BTHE and BOY. |
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Post by neally on Feb 21, 2009 23:56:20 GMT -5
^^ Again, thanks for the explanation.
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Post by blurple on Feb 21, 2009 23:58:23 GMT -5
Thanks for explaining that because I never understand those Grammy rules. So, I am understanding correctly then: the only exclusionary rule for a record or song to win an award in an all-genre category is if the same song or album did not win a genre category previously, no ? Right, if an album wins pop or rock or country or r&b etc. genre category, its singles can't win from that genre in the vocal performance category the following year. There are ways of getting around that rule though, like releasing the track again as part of a "live" album the next year and submitting it. Of course whatever the third single off of Kelly's album is will be eligible since it'll probably be released by August, it's just a matter of what song the record label chooses to support. In 2005, they chose SUBG over BTHE and BOY. Thanks! It makes sense now. |
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Post by Treacherous on Feb 21, 2009 23:58:54 GMT -5
Yes thanks lyrichord for clearing things up!
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Post by neally on Feb 22, 2009 0:35:57 GMT -5
Q & A Interview: Dameon of Aranda February 22, 2009, 03:50 AM On the phone with Dameon Aranda, of the band Aranda. Dameon, there isn't a lot of info out there about you guys, so let's start with some questions that Wikipedia SHOULD HAVE been able to answer, but couldn't. Then we'll get into some actual questions. Kelly Clarkson picked up a couple of your songs for her new album, including her title track 'All I Ever Wanted.' How did that happen?She stumbled on our stuff through Sam Waters. She didn't know it was on our album until after she recorded it. She called me about 2 weeks ago to make sure it's still ok. She sells much more than we do, so obviously it's fine! [laughs] So, it's just a stroke of luck for us to get it. For it to be the title track is just the icing on the cake. Have you heard her version of the songs yet?Yes, I have. I played on her versions, actually. I did guitar and sang background vocals. That doesn't hurt the ol' resume. [laughs] Her version of 'All I Ever Wanted' is really great. That is the poppiest song we have on our album and it fit her really well. Is this the first time you have sold off songs to another artist?Yeah. We tried for 3 or 4 years, but this is the first time it ever stuck. That whole world of people who don't write there own songs... it is hard to get into that circle. It's a tight knit group. We got lucky. I think it's a great song and good for her, but there are a lot of great songs out there. So, thank you, God! hangout.altsounds.com/features/105428-q-and-a-interview-dameon-of-aranda.html |
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