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Post by bert on Jun 4, 2009 12:27:12 GMT -5
What do you mean - you think it's a mistake they tried to force the vocals into 4/4 time on the chorus, or you're supporting it? I too immediately noticed the weird phrasing on the "all the boys and all the girls" part. On one hand, I gotta give them props for making the attempt, they deserve an A for effort, but an F for execution. They should've just left well enough alone - trying to artificially force the rhythm of that phrase to be in standard 4/4 house time signature was a disaster and ruined the vibe of the chorus for me. I agree Jr's Big Room remix package is the best of the bunch (wow, never thought I'd say that!) and JNX you're a genius for recreating your own re-edit, can't wait to listen to yours. And I'm off right now to buy the official one from iTunes - woo hoo! :) I'm supporting it. It wouldn't have worked AT ALL otherwise. Doing this is the ONLY option (or doing swing beat remix - which wouldn't go with Joe's sound). Try pasting the original acapella over the instrumental. You'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2009 12:49:52 GMT -5
I'm supporting it. It wouldn't have worked AT ALL otherwise. Doing this is the ONLY option.... If that were true, why did none of the other dozen or so remixers choose to alter the vocals this way? ???
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 13, 2009 3:34:51 GMT -5
Heard what claims to be the official version of the Vasquez Big Room mix and I just have to say -- what happened?! The instrumental version was so promising with all those odd crashes and stuff being gone from the sample that was originally up on Junior's MySpace, but those ill-timed sounds (which all sound a bar behind where they should be) are still there.
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Heard what claims to be the official version of the Vasquez Big Room mix and I just have to say -- what happened?! The instrumental version was so promising with all those odd crashes and stuff being gone from the sample that was originally up on Junior's MySpace, but those ill-timed sounds (which all sound a bar behind where they should be) are still there. This is what the synthapella of the Big Room mix. www.imeem.com/people/uU4SE5b/music/92ikW2eH/britney-spears-if-u-seek-amy-junior-vasquez-big-room-syntha/I was listening to the clips of the one labeled as the Big Room mix on Amazon and Masterbeat and it sounded like the other Junior mix which was programmed by Nick Harvey. None of the clips I heard had the actual vocals though. I can't help but what wonder if they labeled them wrong. Or they had a whole other mix done that hadn't previously been on a promo or something.
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Post by Lovermaker on Jun 13, 2009 13:14:09 GMT -5
Heard what claims to be the official version of the Vasquez Big Room mix and I just have to say -- what happened?! The instrumental version was so promising with all those odd crashes and stuff being gone from the sample that was originally up on Junior's MySpace, but those ill-timed sounds (which all sound a bar behind where they should be) are still there. This is what the synthapella of the Big Room mix. www.imeem.com/people/uU4SE5b/music/92ikW2eH/britney-spears-if-u-seek-amy-junior-vasquez-big-room-syntha/I was listening to the clips of the one labeled as the Big Room mix on Amazon and Masterbeat and it sounded like the other Junior mix which was programmed by Nick Harvey. None of the clips I heard had the actual vocals though. I can't help but what wonder if they labeled them wrong. Or they had a whole other mix done that hadn't previously been on a promo or something. if you are talking about this clip... : www.amazon.com/Seek-Amy-Junior-Vasquez-Room/dp/B002BABPT2/ref=sr_f2_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1244916683&sr=102-1that's the Junior Vasquez Big Room Mix =)
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Post by Quasi on Jun 13, 2009 13:17:05 GMT -5
I'm supporting it. It wouldn't have worked AT ALL otherwise. Doing this is the ONLY option.... If that were true, why did none of the other dozen or so remixers choose to alter the vocals this way? ??? Does anyone actually like the other dozen remixes?
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Post by daniel9 on Jun 13, 2009 15:29:57 GMT -5
that depends if you're talking of the official or unofficial ones
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Post by jamesrendon on Jun 17, 2009 1:16:51 GMT -5
Why were the remixers so adverse to just making their beats 3/4 time? There is absolutely nothing difficult about it. I do, however, understand Junior Vasquez's position here. I've never heard tribal in 3/4 time....
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 17, 2009 3:27:51 GMT -5
It's not 3/4, it's 12/4 I think. The rhythms between the two are completely different.
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Post by bert on Jun 17, 2009 10:07:25 GMT -5
I'm supporting it. It wouldn't have worked AT ALL otherwise. Doing this is the ONLY option.... If that were true, why did none of the other dozen or so remixers choose to alter the vocals this way? ??? They shouldn't have. They are all ruined by it, the vocals totally sound like they don't fit over the music. Which is a pity, because I LOVE the production on the U-Tern mix. Also, altering the vocals that way would be EXTREMELY time-consuming. Have you ever tried to do it? Try it on Candyman, see how far you get before giving up ;) Why were the remixers so adverse to just making their beats 3/4 time? There is absolutely nothing difficult about it. I do, however, understand Junior Vasquez's position here. I've never heard tribal in 3/4 time.... I don't know, really. It's nice to see Rizzo learn from his mistakes and do the Kristinia DeBarge swingy. The problem with it is, if you don't do the intro right (keep EVERYTHING to quarter notes for at least 30 seconds!) it becomes very difficult for DJs to mix it in, because the two rhythms will clash. The ideal thing to do would be something like Aaron Paetsch's "Womanizer" remix - start with a regular 4/4 and then break down into the swing. It's not 3/4, it's 12/4 I think. The rhythms between the two are completely different. If we're going to nitpick about time signatures, it's not 12/4 either. It's still 4/4. It's just the rhythm of eatch beat that changes: triplets instead of quarter notes. 3/4 is like, waltz, and 12/4... isn't someting that will probably ever happen in dance.
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Post by jamesrendon on Jun 17, 2009 18:19:39 GMT -5
I thought 3/4 for time meant that there were 3 notes in place of quarter notes. If not, what is it called?
I don't understand why someone would put a 4/4 beat to If U Seek Amy or Womanizer. It just sounds off...like the vocals are trying to find their way in the music and never hit their stride. It makes it really difficult for me to enjoy a track when this is going on, which I guess is why I don't like any of the official mixes in regards to the fit, not the production itself. I would have to say that the Maurice and the Rizzo mixes are the most offensive of the bunch.
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Post by frank on Jun 17, 2009 19:21:54 GMT -5
I thought 3/4 for time meant that there were 3 notes in place of quarter notes. If not, what is it called? I don't understand why someone would put a 4/4 beat to If U Seek Amy or Womanizer. It just sounds off...like the vocals are trying to find their way in the music and never hit their stride. It makes it really difficult for me to enjoy a track when this is going on, which I guess is why I don't like any of the official mixes in regards to the fit, not the production itself. I would have to say that the Maurice and the Rizzo mixes are the most offensive of the bunch. 3 notes in the time of one quarter note is called a triplet. If U Seek Amy and Womanizer are in 4/4 time. They just have triplet rhythms. The triplet rhythm clashes a bit when put to a dance beat, which is focused on dividing a beat evenly into 2 eighth notes. Superimposing a triplet rhythm makes it seem like 2 against 3. Visually... x---x---x--- (triplet rhythm) x-----x----- (eighth note rhythm) The rhythms "fight" with each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2009 21:14:25 GMT -5
I thought 3/4 for time meant that there were 3 notes in place of quarter notes. If not, what is it called? I don't understand why someone would put a 4/4 beat to If U Seek Amy or Womanizer. It just sounds off...like the vocals are trying to find their way in the music and never hit their stride. It makes it really difficult for me to enjoy a track when this is going on, which I guess is why I don't like any of the official mixes in regards to the fit, not the production itself. I would have to say that the Maurice and the Rizzo mixes are the most offensive of the bunch. 3 notes in the time of one quarter note is called a triplet. If U Seek Amy and Womanizer are in 4/4 time. They just have triplet rhythms. The triplet rhythm clashes a bit when put to a dance beat, which is focused on dividing a beat evenly into 2 eighth notes. Superimposing a triplet rhythm makes it seem like 2 against 3. Visually... x---x---x--- (triplet rhythm) x-----x----- (eighth note rhythm) The rhythms "fight" with each other. That's a really good explanation! One might make a case for a 4/4 song with triplets as actually being 12/8 (like with O Holy Night) but that's probably splitting hairs :)
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Post by bert on Jun 18, 2009 0:43:42 GMT -5
I... guess you could call it 12/8 - weird way to look at it but it works.
Even worse is when it goes (usually the case)
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Post by jamesrendon on Jun 18, 2009 3:16:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation! I don't really see a problem with using it in dance music at all (expect when mixing a regular track with one with swing beat).
For some reason, even though I didn't understand the logic behind it, I was able to mix this and Womanizer with no problem. I quite enjoy it, but it does limit some melody aspects and can easily turn monotonous.
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