Nicholas2.0
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Feb 24, 2009 3:53:48 GMT -5
But all of the semantics won't mask the fact that the band and title are wrong. That is fact, while all of the rest are opinions. No, here are the facts, jerk: "A," "an," and "the" are the three articles in the English language that are so insignificant as to be ignored for alphabetization purposes when they precede other words. Hence, "Smashing Pumpkins" on some of their recordings and "The Smashing Pumpkins" on others. Hence Radio & Records and Mediabase omitting "The" at the beginning of artists' names on their charts. It's not wrong. It's insignificant.And "and" is so trivial of a word, being so common and all, that the ampersand (&) is an interchangeable and accepted substitution. What, you think bands give a damn about whether it's spelled out or not unless they're purposely intending for formality, or specific creative licensed slang? Angels & Airwaves have the name of their own band written two different ways on their first album, with the ampersand on the cover and written out down the spine. But you know all of this. This Family Guy clip is worth posting again (you being the donkey, of course): But this isn't the forum to discuss language in my opinion. And yet it was you who brought it up in the first place! Would you look at that! Right there at 4:07 PM on February 18. And if you decide you want to delete that, it won't matter, because willthefutureblameus already quoted you in his immediate response.
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pen
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Post by pen on Feb 24, 2009 9:39:19 GMT -5
God, I need to start watching Family Guy again.
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Nicholas2.0
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Feb 24, 2009 14:29:18 GMT -5
God, I need to start watching Family Guy again. I would argue that it's unnecessary to do so. That clip was early enough after its 2005 return that I hadn't frustratingly tuned out yet. But, y'know, obviously it's up to you.
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(Artie Ziff)
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Feb 24, 2009 20:00:50 GMT -5
If only to stop the whining, I use The World Book Dictionary 1969 edition published and edited by Thorndike / Barnhart. Amature is found on page 77 between amatory and amaurosis. Right in front of me as I type.
I agree "and" and "the" are pretty meaningless words in general conversation. But when they are omitted or altered in a band's name and song title, it is clearly wrong. It's not like people go around calling The Beatles "Beatles" or Hootie & The Blowfish "Hootie Blowfish" or conversly adding the to make The U2 or The Green Day. Or try setting up a topic "Guns & Roses" or "Guns And Roses" and see how dumb that looks.
I gladly urge you to pick up the brand new The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus CD and check out tracklisting. Opinions are nice, but you will never be correct when the disc has the facts. Pen & Paper is the track and single.
Sorry guys, this one's over. Cry all you want. You lost.
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Post by pen on Feb 24, 2009 20:06:49 GMT -5
You're using a dictionary from 1969? Are you serious?
Anyway, I will go to the bookstore tomorrow and see if I can find the latest copy of World Book Dictionary and see if it's in there. But honestly, run amature through Google and the only thing you get are porn sites. Run amature dictionary through it and all you get are sites chastising the misspelling.
Finally, eat a dick. I don't care if this gets me in trouble, you really know exactly how to make me want to beat the shit out of you.
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(Artie Ziff)
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Feb 24, 2009 20:09:02 GMT -5
Cool, that's when I know I win discussions. When the loser breaks down and starts talking like a middle schooler. Let me know when you want to join the adults. Learn to get your band names and song titles right and I won't crush you. Thanks! Like I said, I'll trust my dictionary. It does not lie. You're using a dictionary from 1969? Are you serious? Finally, eat a dick. I don't care if this gets me in trouble, you really know exactly how to make me want to beat the s**t out of you. EDIT : CORRECTED FALSE BAND NAME AND SONG
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Post by pen on Feb 24, 2009 20:10:26 GMT -5
You haven't won, it's just that there is no way to get you to admit you're wrong, so why bother? Why play with a shaved deck?
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Feb 24, 2009 20:11:47 GMT -5
Yeah, check out the CD. It's over.
But please, for the sake of this song, get back to music!
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Post by pen on Feb 24, 2009 20:51:46 GMT -5
No, it's not worth it now. Someone might as well lock the thread. You've ruined it.
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