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Post by jbradson on Dec 30, 2009 9:28:06 GMT -5
bey is a mini-legend so she desserves what she gets. Lol at people not even considering BEP, DMB or KOL. between the three they can easily sweep the general field and leave your divas empty handed. quick Predict.. (to make y'all Mad) AOTY - Big Whiskey And The Groogrux King SOTY - Use Somebody ROTY - I Gotta Feeling BNA - MGMT I really hope BEP doesn't win any of the general categories. I say Poker Face for ROTY. The production in Halo and YBWM are not very impressive. PF is really well produced
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Post by as485y on Dec 30, 2009 10:01:49 GMT -5
Im sorry I still cant get over the retard that said Taylor was more powerful than Beyonce in 09. Beyonce could have not put an album and still been more powerful....Look at it this way if Beyonce Gaga and Taylor all wanted to open the show...who would get it?
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Post by jewel88 on Dec 30, 2009 10:31:48 GMT -5
Im sorry I still cant get over the retard that said Taylor was more powerful than Beyonce in 09. Beyonce could have not put an album and still been more powerful....Look at it this way if Beyonce Gaga and Taylor all wanted to open the show...who would get it? Quote where someone said Taylor was more powerful then Beyonce in '09. Go ahead and use that quote feature and let's discuss further. Otherwise stop the name calling. Taylor has sold more albums in '09, Taylor has had better album reviews......so if anyone did say that, then they would be correct for '09.
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Post by as485y on Dec 30, 2009 10:58:11 GMT -5
Oh, the Beyonce st@ns are coming out! Like I said, Taylor was more powerful than GaGa and Beyonce in 2009. Is Taylor more powerful than Beyonce or GaGa overall? Nope. But in 2009, Taylor dominated more... PERIOD! From award shows to sales to whatever... Taylor was that b!tch. That's not taking away from anything GaGa or Beyonce has done this year, but if I had to name ONE artist who dominated 2009, Swizzy would land #1. Billboard named her "Artist of the Year" and she has the best selling album of the year. Not Beyonce. Not GaGa. The proof is in the pudding, not a bunch of YouTube videos. Here is the quote. And because Taylor sold more records and had good reviews?she is more powerful?Are yall serious? Beyonce is the most respected current artist out there bar none. To me its embarassingf that she even be compared to Taylor
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Post by as485y on Dec 30, 2009 10:59:38 GMT -5
Im sorry I still cant get over the retard that said Taylor was more powerful than Beyonce in 09. Beyonce could have not put an album and still been more powerful....Look at it this way if Beyonce Gaga and Taylor all wanted to open the show...who would get it? Quote where someone said Taylor was more powerful then Beyonce in '09. Go ahead and use that quote feature and let's discuss further. Otherwise stop the name calling. Taylor has sold more albums in '09, Taylor has had better album reviews......so if anyone did say that, then they would be correct for '09. They would be incorrect. She had the Best Selling Album of the last year. thats it. That still hasnt translated over to her being a HUGE star yet.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Dec 30, 2009 11:10:49 GMT -5
Uhm I would say Taylor is probably the biggest name right now. I don't get how people are saying otherwise. She is ALL I hear about everywhere. Even my mom is sick of her and you know it is bad when my freaking MOM hears about her too much. She is huge and the hot thing right now. My point was that her popularity does not mean Beyonce and Lady Gaga weren't popular at all this year. People try to make it about black and white this was the top artist and this was not. In reality, it is a lot more fluid than that. In some ways, Beyonce is still the #1 female. In some ways, it was Lady Gaga's year. In a lot of other ways, Taylor dominated. That is possible.
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Post by as485y on Dec 30, 2009 11:13:36 GMT -5
Uhm I would say Taylor is probably the biggest name right now. I don't get how people are saying otherwise. She is ALL I hear about everywhere. Even my mom is sick of her and you know it is bad when my freaking MOM hears about her too much. She is huge and the hot thing right now. My point was that her popularity does not mean Beyonce and Lady Gaga weren't popular at all this year. People try to make it about black and white this was the top artist and this was not. In reality, it is a lot more fluid than that. In some ways, Beyonce is still the #1 female. In some ways, it was Lady Gaga's year. In a lot of other ways, Taylor dominated. That is possible. I agree with what you said Taylor and Gaga owned the year BUT Beyonce is still the biggest female star of the last 10 years. They would have alot of work to do to catch her.
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Post by jewel88 on Dec 30, 2009 11:16:52 GMT -5
Oh, the Beyonce st@ns are coming out! Like I said, Taylor was more powerful than GaGa and Beyonce in 2009. Is Taylor more powerful than Beyonce or GaGa overall? Nope. But in 2009, Taylor dominated more... PERIOD! From award shows to sales to whatever... Taylor was that b!tch. That's not taking away from anything GaGa or Beyonce has done this year, but if I had to name ONE artist who dominated 2009, Swizzy would land #1. Billboard named her "Artist of the Year" and she has the best selling album of the year. Not Beyonce. Not GaGa. The proof is in the pudding, not a bunch of YouTube videos. Here is the quote. And because Taylor sold more records and had good reviews?she is more powerful?Are yall serious? Beyonce is the most respected current artist out there bar none. To me its embarassingf that she even be compared to Taylor So you love beyonce......I get it stay deluded but facts are facts for '09. But you shouldn't call people names because they respect Taylor as an artist. Beyonce didn't start out being Beyonce and even she'll tell you Taylor especially for her age is a great artist. What I love about Taylor is that she became a recording artist the hard way, she's right at the age where she could have set on her butt waiting to turn 16 and go on idol for the easy way to a recording contract. Nope. She was out there pounding the pavement the hard way, has paid dues and now has two quad platinum albums and 8 grammy nominations due to hard work and a critically acclaimed album. It is fair to compare her to beyonce at this point and for this year, since duh they are in 4 of the same categories. I don't know what you want Beyonce, is going to win 5 or more grammy's herself but her year still wasn't nearly as great as Taylor's year.
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Post by as485y on Dec 30, 2009 11:23:20 GMT -5
Here is the quote. And because Taylor sold more records and had good reviews?she is more powerful?Are yall serious? Beyonce is the most respected current artist out there bar none. To me its embarassingf that she even be compared to Taylor So you love beyonce......I get it stay deluded but facts are facts for '09. But you shouldn't call people names because they respect Taylor as an artist. Beyonce didn't start out being Beyonce and even she'll tell you Taylor especially for her age is a great artist. What I love about Taylor is that she became a recording artist the hard way, she's right at the age where she could have set on her butt waiting to turn 16 and go on idol for the easy way to a recording contract. Nope. She was out there pounding the pavement the hard way, has paid dues and now has two quad platinum albums and 8 grammy nominations due to hard work and a critically acclaimed album. It is fair to compare her to beyonce at this point and for this year, since duh they are in 4 of the same categories. I don't know what you want Beyonce, is going to win 5 or more grammy's herself but her year still wasn't nearly as great as Taylor's year. Taylors Year Sold 5 million albums Won ALOT of fan voted awards 2 top 10 singles Good tour Beyonces Year Sold 4 million albums Won alot of fan voted awards Sang at the Oscars Sang for Obama 1 #1 Single 2 top 10s #1 movie Voted Female artist of the Decade Uk voted Bigest Popstar15 Total Tour Gross: $57,138,765 Number of Shows: 57 Total Attendance: 697,093 Number of Sell-Outs: 25 So besides selling more records in the US...where exactly did she beat Beyonce?
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Post by tsharky on Dec 30, 2009 11:27:21 GMT -5
^ "Go on idol for the easy way? hmmmm. Most people who audition on Idol, including Carrie, worked YEARS to get a recording contract prior to going on Idol as a last resort.
Contrary to popular belief, Carrie had a record deal with Capitol at age 13-14, but it fell through. I have all her Demo albums, some from age 13-14, when she was already a very good vocalist. She worked for YEARS singing at county fairs, talent shows, and other ways of paying dues before she went on Idol as a last resort. She also sang in a band in Oklahoma for years as well.
So, contrary to popular belief, many idol contestants, including Kelly Clarkson, Carrie, Bo Bice,Daughtry, etc., pay major dues to make it in the record industry long before they go on Idol. Carrie said Idol was her last chance, as she was graduating college and ready to get a real job at that point, to give up on music. People like Carrie, Daughtry, Bo Bice, David Cook, etc, Kelly Clarkson--- ALL paid major dues and worked hard to get a record deal long before they went on idol as a last resort.
People have this slanted view of Idol, that you walk on the stage, sing a song, and become an instant star, having never worked in the music business before. That is not true at all. Most are there as a last resort, after trying all the usual, traditional ways of being discovered, and working hard for years.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 30, 2009 11:34:12 GMT -5
Yes- of all the awards shows, the Grammys has the worst reputation, in terms of not awarding the best nominees and in some cases, not even nominating the best- rather the safe, middle-of-the-road work). Edginess hardly was at play for most if its existence, but in recent times, we've seen some baby steps in the major categories. But this year isn't one of them, outside of perhaps Gaga.
Black Eyed Peas is an example- ruled the Hot 100 for 26 consecutive weeks- the album was not one of the year's best-received works, critically, so the nod probably is more for the success this year. They need big names in the major categories, though, otherwise the ratings may nosedive.
BTW- there's a rumor that Her Madgesty is in talks to open the show- maybe part of a MJ tribute? It's the last awards show to pay tribute, after all.
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Post by jewel88 on Dec 30, 2009 11:40:26 GMT -5
Exactly, that's why I respect Taylor so much you just named several people from idol who tried it on their own from Kelly to Carrie to Bo.....like you said almost EVERYONE but none even being great vocalist could NOT do it on their own so obviously they need much more then the singing ability. Taylor is an artist so that's probably the difference she probably came with songs already written and ready to perform them, not just a singer. That takes desire and drive which is why I give Taylor credit she's an artists who believed she would eventually do it on her own and because Beyonce basically did it the same way she can surely be compared to her. Most give up because they can't do it on their own so idol is a much easier way to a recording contract. Sure they have varying degrees of success but right now MOST young singers are sitting around at home waiting to run 16 unless they have a very strong drive to be a musician. Taylor was 12 years old win idol first debut. She was out pounding the pavement THEN she didn't need idol as the last resort. So that does say a bunch about her love of music.
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Post by jbradson on Dec 30, 2009 11:44:57 GMT -5
What I love about Taylor is that she became a recording artist the hard way, she's right at the age where she could have set on her butt waiting to turn 16 and go on idol for the easy way to a recording contract. Pur-lease do you honestly think Taylor would've gotten a recording contract if she had gone on Idol? She made the one way that she could've - the old fashioned way, which is a very good thing. It's just pointless to say that somebody made it without Idol when the artist in question wouldn't stand a chance on the show. Like Tsharky said, making it on idol is hard. It's not like you go in there, get a few million people to like you, get a recording contract and have a happily ever after. Only a minute number people have been able to sustain their fame and career after the show and they've all worked their butt of to do it.
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Post by jewel88 on Dec 30, 2009 11:55:39 GMT -5
What I love about Taylor is that she became a recording artist the hard way, she's right at the age where she could have set on her butt waiting to turn 16 and go on idol for the easy way to a recording contract. Pur-lease do you honestly think Taylor would've gotten a recording contract if she had gone on Idol? She made the one way that she could've - the old fashioned way, which is a very good thing. It's just pointless to say that somebody made it without Idol when the artist in question wouldn't stand a chance on the show. Like Tsharky said, making it on idol is hard. It's not like you go in there, get a few million people to like you, get a recording contract and have a happily ever after. Only a minute number people have been able to sustain their fame and career after the show and they've all worked their butt of to do it. Absolutely, even William Hung got a recording contract and he didn't even make it on the show, soooo many people get a recording contract just by showing up on idol. Taylor likely wouldn't have won but all she would have needed was easy exposure, some exposure is better then none. Again, obviously she wasn't looking for "easy". Good for her!
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Post by as485y on Dec 30, 2009 12:12:32 GMT -5
Pur-lease do you honestly think Taylor would've gotten a recording contract if she had gone on Idol? She made the one way that she could've - the old fashioned way, which is a very good thing. It's just pointless to say that somebody made it without Idol when the artist in question wouldn't stand a chance on the show. Like Tsharky said, making it on idol is hard. It's not like you go in there, get a few million people to like you, get a recording contract and have a happily ever after. Only a minute number people have been able to sustain their fame and career after the show and they've all worked their butt of to do it. Absolutely, even William Hung got a recording contract and he didn't even make it on the show, soooo many people get a recording contract just by showing up on idol. Taylor likely wouldn't have won but all she would have needed was easy exposure, some exposure is better then none. Again, obviously she wasn't looking for "easy". Good for her! lol youre reaching now
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Post by jewel88 on Dec 30, 2009 12:22:17 GMT -5
Absolutely, even William Hung got a recording contract and he didn't even make it on the show, soooo many people get a recording contract just by showing up on idol. Taylor likely wouldn't have won but all she would have needed was easy exposure, some exposure is better then none. Again, obviously she wasn't looking for "easy". Good for her! lol youre reaching now Not really, he released a few cd's. The person asked if I "honestly believe Taylor would have gotten a recording contract had she gone on idol". I said yes and what better way to prove that by pointing to someone as talentless as William Hung? She's cute and writes her own songs could you have imagined her on idol auditioning with her guitar singing her own catchy songs? They would have put her straight through hollywood, and would not have cared what she sounded like, they would branded her as an "artist" who writes and plays an instrument and made a bundle off her tramping her all over the place, instead Taylor gets to keep most of her money. Anyway, we better get this back to the grammy's. Maxwell 3 Taylor 4 Beyonce 5 I don't know about the rest. Bye!
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Post by wallace on Dec 30, 2009 12:41:01 GMT -5
What a silly argument. Idol is all about a particular kind of singing talent, which Taylor does not have. (Not that she's a bad singer; she's just not the kind of singer who fares well in that venue, given her limited range). It's not about other talents, like songwriting, that she does have. Bob Dylan would never have cleared the first audition on Idol. That is not a knock on either Bob Dylan or Idol; not every square peg must be forced through every round hole.
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Post by LC3 on Dec 30, 2009 12:59:50 GMT -5
What a silly argument. Idol is all about a particular kind of singing talent, which Taylor does not have. (Not that she's a bad singer; she's just not the kind of singer who fares well in that venue, given her limited range). It's not about other talents, like songwriting, that she does have. Bob Dylan would never have cleared the first audition on Idol. That is not a knock on either Bob Dylan or Idol; not every square peg must be forced through every round hole. amen
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Post by desertfloods on Dec 30, 2009 13:11:18 GMT -5
What I love about Taylor is that she became a recording artist the hard way, she's right at the age where she could have set on her butt waiting to turn 16 and go on idol for the easy way to a recording contract. Nope. She was out there pounding the pavement the hard way, has paid dues and now has two quad platinum albums and 8 grammy nominations due to hard work and a critically acclaimed album. It is fair to compare her to beyonce at this point and for this year, since duh they are in 4 of the same categories. I don't know what you want Beyonce, is going to win 5 or more grammy's herself but her year still wasn't nearly as great as Taylor's year. No offence, Taylor's a good songwriter but with her limited vocals, she might not even get into the semifinals on Idol. You really think it's so easy to just audition for it and get a recording contract huh? And it's not like these people never worked for their music career and just sat on their butts to wait for Idol auditions. Sheesh.
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Post by Pikachu. on Dec 30, 2009 13:16:10 GMT -5
Possibly-not sure. I just have a feeling that the voting committee is going to look unfavorably on her. I have been avoiding saying this, but almost like how Madonna and even someone like Britney haven't really had amazing Grammy histories compared to their careers in numbers. Didn't it take Madonna into the 90s to win even one and then tons of years later to win more? It may just be a feeling though. I hope she wins one though and I am wrong about my instinct. And thanks god for this...She doesn't deserves any grammy at all...While Lady Gaga is on a complete different situation...She's way more talented than britney... h@terz to the left plz.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Dec 30, 2009 13:28:35 GMT -5
Quote where someone said Taylor was more powerful then Beyonce in '09. Go ahead and use that quote feature and let's discuss further. Otherwise stop the name calling. Taylor has sold more albums in '09, Taylor has had better album reviews......so if anyone did say that, then they would be correct for '09. They would be incorrect. She had the Best Selling Album of the last year. thats it. That still hasnt translated over to her being a HUGE star yet. No, it IS correct. I never said Taylor was above and beyond Beyonce in star status. Did I or did I not? I said Taylor was more "powerful" than Beyonce in 2009, and she was. I'm talking about success wise. Any st@n with some sense would say that Taylor achieved more than Beyonce did in 2009. Sure Beyonce had a lot of success this year, but she was NOT THE artist with the most success in 2009. That title goes to Taylor, thus making her the more "powerful" in 2009. Again, I'm talking about success, acclaim, awards etc. not overall star status. Stop with the st@nism because the point clearly went over your head.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Dec 30, 2009 13:36:10 GMT -5
I agree with what you said Taylor and Gaga owned the year ??? ??? ???
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Post by upgrade:THE YONKAZ on Dec 30, 2009 13:45:37 GMT -5
They would be incorrect. She had the Best Selling Album of the last year. thats it. That still hasnt translated over to her being a HUGE star yet. No, it IS correct. I never said Taylor was above and beyond Beyonce in star status. Did I or did I not? I said Taylor was more "powerful" than Beyonce in 2009, and she was. I'm talking about success wise. Any st@n with some sense would say that Taylor achieved more than Beyonce did in 2009. Sure Beyonce had a lot of success this year, but she was NOT THE artist with the most success in 2009. That title goes to Taylor, thus making her the more "powerful" in 2009. Again, I'm talking about success, acclaim, awards etc. not overall star status. Stop with the st@nism because the point clearly went over your head. still Beyoncé is above. if it's not about selling album Beyoncé is above her ,
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Post by CHANEL.™ on Dec 30, 2009 14:56:28 GMT -5
It might be just me but I personally don't think Talyor is more POWERFUL than Beyonce or Lady GaGa, even if we're just talking in 2009...
Yes, she has has alot of success this year(mostly in album sales and album acclaim) but album acclaim & sales =/= POWER. It does not equal power. If thats the case, she would have been as "powerful" as some think she is now with her first album. (It sold/is still selling alot too)
I think peoples opinions on this matter are subjected to what one may define POWERFUL as being..
Random Question: Would Taylor be as "powerful" as some say if it had not been for the VMA/Kanye incident.? Not trying to be a smart ass but I just would like to know someone's opinion on it. Would someone still dare font she is more powerful than those two ladies(even with album sales and acclaim) had that incident never occured...?
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Dec 30, 2009 14:59:53 GMT -5
Random Question: Would Taylor be as "powerful" as some say if it had not been for the VMA/Kanye incident.? Not trying to be a smart ass but I just would like to know someone's opinion on it. Would someone still dare font she is more powerful than those two ladies(even with album sales and acclaim) had that incident never occured...? Yes, because Taylor was already a multi-platinum artist before that incident. Not to mention, she was outselling all those hoes, including Kanye. Who else but Taylor?
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Post by CHANEL.™ on Dec 30, 2009 15:04:58 GMT -5
So just because she sold more than them before that incident occured,means that she would of been more powerful than them.?
To me, that would only be true if powerfullness was only subjected to record sells, but its not. And I wouldn't dare call it power either. I would just say she sold more the all those hoes, including Kanye.
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Post by Tanisha Thomas. on Dec 30, 2009 15:09:33 GMT -5
Honey, I don't know how many times I will have to stress this, but I will do it once again since people don't seem to understand what I mean or just taking "powerful" so literally.
I didn't mean "powerful" literally. But Taylor had more success than Beyonce and Lady GaGa this year, and the proof is very much in the pudding. It doesn't matter how many of you Beyonce st@ns come out to defend Beyonce (or GaGa), but Taylor dominated 2009 more, before, during, and after the incident. Take it how you want. Call it what you want. It doesn't matter. 2009 was the year of the Swift.
Let's talk about the Grammys now....
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Post by CHANEL.™ on Dec 30, 2009 15:25:28 GMT -5
Umm, who said I was a Beyonce or GaGa STAN?
Well yes I did take the word "powerful" literally. That's what I tend do when that word(or any other word) is used...I take them literally. But anyways, I guess I see what you were trying to say and yes she did dominated this year in terms of album sales.
But back to the Grammy's :) ... Even though, I have my favorites, I honestly don't know who will sweep OR if there will even be someone who sweeps...
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Post by when the pawn... on Dec 30, 2009 15:46:09 GMT -5
Can we move the fan-wars elsewhere and discuss the nominees/potential winners/performers etc for this year's Grammy ceremony? DMB still seems like the most logical choice for AOTY but I fear Taylor will take it. Same with KOL on ROTY & SOTY. I'd love Gaga to sneak in one (or three) of those but I doubt it. I personally think in AOTY and ROTY, Beyonce & BEP are completely out of the running and Maxwell is in the same spot in SOTY (unfortunately). I wish I could vote Any new performers beyond that first batch?
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Post by Stephen on Dec 30, 2009 15:48:51 GMT -5
This thread is a mess. Keep it up. Uhm I would say Taylor is probably the biggest name right now. I don't get how people are saying otherwise. She is ALL I hear about everywhere. Even my mom is sick of her and you know it is bad when my freaking MOM hears about her too much. She is huge and the hot thing right now. My point was that her popularity does not mean Beyonce and Lady Gaga weren't popular at all this year. People try to make it about black and white this was the top artist and this was not. In reality, it is a lot more fluid than that. In some ways, Beyonce is still the #1 female. In some ways, it was Lady Gaga's year. In a lot of other ways, Taylor dominated. That is possible. I see what you're saying, but I don't see how anyone can claim that Taylor isn't the biggest act this year. She had a country song chart on Rhythmic. That's huge. Plus, she's sold ridiculous amounts of singles and albums.
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