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Post by (Artie Ziff) on May 7, 2009 16:06:42 GMT -5
Musicradar.com says new material already recorded from the duo is "not far off."
Myself, I have been pretty bummed by the albums since White Blood Cells. I've like The Saboteurs / The Raconteurs so much more. Hopefully they will be back!
EDIT : CHANGED TITLE
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Post by WotUNeed on May 7, 2009 16:07:57 GMT -5
That's cool, but I doubt this is coming any time soon, since I imagine there'll be some kind of promotion behind The Dead Weather, no?
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Post by pen on May 7, 2009 17:07:51 GMT -5
Funny, I love all the albums after White Blood Cells.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 7, 2009 17:19:01 GMT -5
This band is fucking amazing. SEE THEM LIVE PEOPLE.
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Post by singingsparrow on May 7, 2009 22:26:25 GMT -5
I agree all their recent albums have been excellent, in their own unique ways.
I'd regard "Elephant" as their strongest to date overall, but each album is brilliant in its own way.
Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on May 8, 2009 1:28:42 GMT -5
The title of this topic is grammatically incorrect.
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Post by PHOBES on May 8, 2009 15:37:14 GMT -5
Is it? I'm actually being serious.
Isn't their name "The White Stripes"? As opposed to just "White Stripes"? Therefore, "The White Stripes" would be a compound, collective noun and would have been written correctly. You could substitute it as so:
"New (insert noun here) songs recorded" "New Weezer songs recorded" "New Foo Fighters songs recorded" "New The Red Hot Chili Peppers songs recorded"
Why'd I have to have an English exam today?
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Post by pen on May 8, 2009 17:32:21 GMT -5
Is it? I'm actually being serious. Isn't their name " The White Stripes"? As opposed to just "White Stripes"? Therefore, "The White Stripes" would be a compound, collective noun and would have been written correctly. You could substitute it as so: "New (insert noun here) songs recorded" "New Weezer songs recorded" "New Foo Fighters songs recorded" "New The Red Hot Chili Peppers songs recorded" Why'd I have to have an English exam today? Well actually, The White Stripes would not be a collective noun, because collective nouns are specific words for groups, such as a band. The White Stripes is a proper noun, the proper name of the band, which is the collective. That's still not an answer, but I'm working on it. This is interesting. Kinda.
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Post by pen on May 8, 2009 17:38:51 GMT -5
I suppose what we'd be looking for is "what happens to the definite article in a proper name when using an adjective"?
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Post by pen on May 8, 2009 17:43:58 GMT -5
Found this post through Google from someone, and they're right, except now we have a problem, because while "the" may not be part of the name "Sahara Desert", do we consider "the" to be part of the band's name, or do we consider it to be a definite article?
In the first case, we would say
The new The White Stripes single
In the second case, we would say
The new White Stripes single.
The latter sounds more right to me, but I can't find anything to confirm yet. Why aren't they teaching these things in English class? This is important stuff!
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Post by crash46 on May 8, 2009 18:07:10 GMT -5
Have music stores been making a horrible, horrible mistake filing this band's CD's under 'W' all these years? No wonder nobody buys CD's anymore!
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Post by pen on May 8, 2009 18:10:26 GMT -5
If Artie is fallible, then we are all doomed as a species.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on May 8, 2009 22:30:27 GMT -5
It is a sentence without a period, so there is a technical grammar error. Although I haven't seen to many headlines or subject titles with punctuation marks. But it's no different than saying New Nirvana songs recorded.
I have liked Get Behind Me Satan for the most part, the best of their recent albums in my opinion. But not even close to the initial shock of White Blood Cells.
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Post by halo19 on May 9, 2009 0:14:50 GMT -5
When I heard White Blood Cells I was only 14, and it blew me away like few things had by then (or at least compared to later). I was impressed by the good songs and Jack's lyrics. It was basically the finest thing I'd heard when I listened to it in 2002.
De Stijl and Elephant (though the latter is admittedly just a bit overrated) are now excellent, but both albums had to grow on me first. Some of DS was too "blues" for me at the time, with all that slide guitar and such, though I now like it a hair more than WBC. In fact, I like Get Behind Me Satan considerably more than in the first few listens.
Icky Thump was the next one I instantly liked. It recalled De Stijl in parts ("Rag and Bone" definitely), and had some of those moments that by less talented artists would just be bad novelty junk ("Conquest" and "Prickly Thorn.") I think it has anything a Stripes fan could look for in it.
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Post by PHOBES on May 9, 2009 0:26:37 GMT -5
So it's a compound, collective, proper noun with a definite article modifying it. The only question is whether the article is included in the noun or if it functions as an adjective. And yes, the additional adjective "New" really messes everything up. Sometimes when multiple adjectives are used to modify a noun, they can be separated by commas. So, theoretically we could say:
"New, the White Stripes songs recorded"
Of course the comma implies the word "and," and that doesn't really work either:
"New and the White Stripes recorded"
Therefore, I believe the proper grammar was used. Applying the article as an adjective doesn't work (based on the above examples), and therefore I stand by my hypothesis that "The" is actually a part of the noun. Unless of course the grammar error in question was the lack of a period all along, lol.
Now all that's left is for someone to come up with a dictionary definition to completely disprove everything I just said and make me look like a complete idiot.
*Waiting*
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Post by pen on May 9, 2009 0:36:10 GMT -5
Why would you apply the article as an adjective? Adjectives describe stuff, "the" as a word doesn't describe anything.
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Post by PHOBES on May 9, 2009 0:39:44 GMT -5
Why would you apply the article as an adjective? Adjectives describe stuff, "the" as a word doesn't describe anything. Articles are adjectives. "It's a song." "It's the song." Two fairly insignificant statements, but with the addition of a modifier (adjective) the meaning changes. Fourth grade English class stuff.
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Post by pen on May 9, 2009 0:46:58 GMT -5
I don't know, that sounds a little sketchy.
Anyway, from Wikipedia
Which doesn't really clear anything up because the question is still whether we consider "the" to be part of the band name or an article preceding the band name.
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Post by pen on May 9, 2009 0:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by PHOBES on May 9, 2009 0:49:49 GMT -5
Well, that sounds screwy.
"The new White Stripes songs recorded"
It sounds like a clause of a sentence now.
"The new White Stripes songs recorded...have been destroyed."
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Post by pen on May 9, 2009 0:51:31 GMT -5
Well, that sounds screwy. "The new White Stripes songs recorded" It sounds like a clause of a sentence now. "The new White Stripes songs recorded...have been destroyed." Well that's incorrect anyway cause I think what you'd say is "The new White Stripes songs that were recorded have been destroyed."
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Post by pen on May 9, 2009 0:52:14 GMT -5
You did pass your English exam, right?
Only joking. Sorry. I'll probably be bit in the ass now.
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Post by PHOBES on May 9, 2009 1:00:57 GMT -5
Eh, I'll stand by what I learned in school over the years as opposed to a Wikipedia article. I think there is a clear difference here. I was saying whether it was USED as an adjective, as it is in some cases, but not all. The article points out a couple counterexamples, and in those examples the use of "The" clearly makes no sense at all. Here it does, as I said before: The changing of the article changes the entire meaning. So yeah, I don't think it disproves anything. Nice try though. And: "The new White Stripes songs that were recorded have been destroyed." I was just playing dumb in reference to what you posted, yes I realize it made no sense EDIT: And why do all the links on this site always end with an open parentheses?
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Post by pen on May 9, 2009 1:04:28 GMT -5
Eh, I'll stand by what I learned in school over the years as opposed to a Wikipedia article. I think there is a clear difference here. I was saying whether it was USED[i/] as an adjective, as it is in some cases, but not all. The article points out a couple counterexamples, and in those examples the use of "The" clearly makes no sense at all. Here it does, as I said before: The changing of the article changes the entire meaning. So yeah, I don't think it disproves anything. Nice try though.
And: "The new White Stripes songs that were recorded have been destroyed."
I was just playing dumb in reference to what you posted, yes I realize it made no sense But see I don't see how an article is used as an adjective ever, because as the page points out, an adjective is used as a descriptive tool, while an article doesn't do that. It makes no sense to put them under adjectives. That just feels lazy actually, to me.
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Post by PHOBES on May 9, 2009 1:11:34 GMT -5
Well, perhaps my statement "Articles are adjectives" was a bit inconsistent, or too general at least. I should've said "Articles can be used as adjectives." owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/540/01/The above article (npi) states that an article is "basically" an adjective. Which is pretty much what I'm getting at here.
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Post by pen on May 9, 2009 1:13:57 GMT -5
Feh, Cambridge > Purdue.
And Cambridge says it's not.
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Post by pen on May 9, 2009 1:15:54 GMT -5
But seriously, just bear with me for a sec. Forget everything you learned in English. Does it really make sense to you? I mean, knowing what adjectives are almost always for, do articles really fit under there, logically? I really don't think they do.
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Post by PHOBES on May 9, 2009 1:16:40 GMT -5
Feh, Cambridge > Purdue. And Cambridge says it's not. Purdue>Cambridge>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wikipedia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OLP
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Post by PHOBES on May 9, 2009 1:19:37 GMT -5
But seriously, just bear with me for a sec. Forget everything you learned in English. Does it really make sense to you? I mean, knowing what adjectives are almost always for, do articles really fit under there, logically? I really don't think they do. I really don't see why they don't, sorry. They don't describe things very vividly, but they do describe. There's a big difference between "A band" and "The band." But like I said, my earlier statement was inaccurate.
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Post by pen on May 9, 2009 1:22:26 GMT -5
But seriously, just bear with me for a sec. Forget everything you learned in English. Does it really make sense to you? I mean, knowing what adjectives are almost always for, do articles really fit under there, logically? I really don't think they do. I really don't see why they don't, sorry. They don't describe things very vividly, but they do describe. There's a big difference between "A band" and "The band." But like I said, my earlier statement was inaccurate. There is, but it's not as a description. "A" and "the" do nothing to describe a band, describe means characteristics, attributes. "A" and "the" are not attributes. They're modifiers. They modify the connotation of the following noun. That doesn't make them adjectives.
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