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Post by Matt4319 on Aug 19, 2009 16:05:52 GMT -5
I noticed that too, I was like: "Are they TRYING to compete with Creed?" Yeah that's what I'm thinking, like what the hell is wrong with them they are gonna get killed. But you know I don't think its that big of a deal, the ONLY thing they have in common is that they are Christian bands. It would be no different than if Slipknot were to compete with Boys Like Girls or some other emo pop punk group. Just because they are both emo doesn't mean all the emo fans are gonna pick one side. Long story short, similar lyrics and messages does not matter at all when it comes to sales competition, as oppose to musical style and genre. BUT, Flyleaf's sales would be better if the album wasn't released on the same week as Creed's, only because Creed is so big that they highlight the week and will suck up a lot of the sales Did I just read that Slipknot are emo?
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Post by lockebox on Aug 19, 2009 16:25:22 GMT -5
:o I've heard it all now.
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Post by Cody on Aug 19, 2009 16:40:00 GMT -5
many of Slipknot's lyrics are emo, yes
"I push my fingers into my eyes, it's the only thing, that slowly stops the ache. If the pain goes on, I'm not gonna make it"
-Duality
"I felt the hate rise up in me Kneel down and clear the stone of leaves I wander out where you can't see Inside my shell, I wait and bleed."
- Wait And Bleed
"I'm sweating through my veins, I'm trying to hold on It's unbearable, it's almost worse for me I'm gonna tear you apart and make you see, make you see"
- The Virus Of Life
And those are just 3 randoms I picked out, they are everywhere.
But before you think I'm trashing them, I'm not, I love Slipknot, it just is not very hard to see that they have their fair share of emo songs. You probably just aren't used to hearing emo associated with anything other than pop punk
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Post by lockebox on Aug 19, 2009 17:33:51 GMT -5
Oh so Emo is now based on a bands lyrics? And no metal bands such as Bullet for My Valentine have emo-esque mannerisms and phrasings. At this stage there has to be considered to be two types of Emo: Emo/Pop punk (Paramore, Fall Out Boy, Weezer, etc.) and Emo metal (Bullet, A Day to Remember, Escape the Fate, Atreyu). These bands are probably more associated with Screamo.
As for Slipknot, to describe them as Emo is quite ridiculous. Nu metal, Alternative metal, Death metal, Rap-Metal & Heavy metal are the styles that they're generally listed as. Emo just doesn't complement the stated styles. So, Slipknot? Emo? Huge thumbs down.
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Post by metalfan87 on Aug 19, 2009 17:40:34 GMT -5
hey lockebox, u got my PM?
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Post by lockebox on Aug 19, 2009 17:44:07 GMT -5
I've just replied.
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Post by Cody on Aug 19, 2009 18:54:55 GMT -5
Oh so Emo is now based on a bands lyrics? And no metal bands such as Bullet for My Valentine have emo-esque mannerisms and phrasings. At this stage there has to be considered to be two types of Emo: Emo/Pop punk (Paramore, Fall Out Boy, Weezer, etc.) and Emo metal (Bullet, A Day to Remember, Escape the Fate, Atreyu). These bands are probably more associated with Screamo. As for Slipknot, to describe them as Emo is quite ridiculous. Nu metal, Alternative metal, Death metal, Rap-Metal & Heavy metal are the styles that they're generally listed as. Emo just doesn't complement the stated styles. So, Slipknot? Emo? Huge thumbs down. dude, Weezer is alot LESS emo than Slipknot. Sorry, play the Pinkerton card all you want, Rivers Cuomo said he doesnt even know what emo means. And so what if Slipknot has all hose side-genres, what makes them less emo than Bullet For My Valentine? And once again, something you obviously dont seem to get, I DONT HATE SLIPKNOT
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Post by Cody on Aug 19, 2009 18:58:43 GMT -5
and you know it doesn't matter, you're probably just using this to pull away from the argument on Flyleaf/Creed, because you're probably someone who thinks Creed will affect Flyleaf's sales a whole lot. That is the main point here. If you don't believe Slipknot is emo, then scratch that and replace it with Bullet, a band we can agree on the emo thing, and put them in my original post explaining why the Flyleaf/Creed release date isn't a big deal.
It amazes me on how easily people drift away from the point
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Post by jvandyck87 on Aug 19, 2009 19:19:41 GMT -5
People drift away from the point when you distract them from the point with a statement as far out as that. You might as well say that Sevendust is R&B for having a soul type vocalist, Red and Skillet are both classical for using a lot of orchestral sounds, and that Linkin Park is gangster rap for having some hip hop influences.
Emo, as is the case with most genres, isn't about lyrics so much as the overall sound. Music has been melodramatic for hundreds of years now. Overly emotional and emo are not one in the same.
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Post by American Idiot on Aug 19, 2009 23:51:27 GMT -5
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Aug 20, 2009 2:55:03 GMT -5
People drift away from the point when you distract them from the point with a statement as far out as that. You might as well say that Sevendust is R&B for having a soul type vocalist, Red and Skillet are both classical for using a lot of orchestral sounds, and that Linkin Park is gangster rap for having some hip hop influences. Emo, as is the case with most genres, isn't about lyrics so much as the overall sound. Music has been melodramatic for hundreds of years now. Overly emotional and emo are not one in the same. What he said.
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Post by Cody on Aug 20, 2009 9:09:30 GMT -5
I just can't really agree with emo being a sound because of bands like Weezer being called emo when there's nothing emo about them at all other than a few love songs on Pinkerton. I don't know, Ive heard that argument before but Ive also had people tell me its more logically the lyrics.
Anyways this new song sounds alright, I guess about what I was expecting since I'm not huge on them other than "All Around Me"
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Post by pen on Aug 20, 2009 13:10:29 GMT -5
Emo has been around since before Weezer. I personally don't know how Weezer got associated with the movement anyway.
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Post by lockebox on Aug 20, 2009 14:32:19 GMT -5
I think it was actually more their look than sound that got them lumped into the emo category.
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Post by pen on Aug 20, 2009 14:33:08 GMT -5
Probably. You make a good point. Especially since Rivers is always the blueprint for those "how to dress emo" jokes.
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Post by pen on Aug 21, 2009 13:39:26 GMT -5
Just so everyone knows, this album is still coming out Oct. 20th according to FMQB, although they also made the strange mistake of calling their single "Arise" instead of "Again", which makes me wonder.
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Post by My Life Is A Stereo on Aug 21, 2009 13:48:20 GMT -5
Does nobody in this world have 30 bucks to buy two CD's instead of one?? Honestly I believe if people want the CD they will buy it, I really don't believe that just because another band has a same week release that it affects others sales, unless ALL their fans are really poor.
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Post by pen on Aug 21, 2009 13:59:17 GMT -5
Does nobody in this world have 30 bucks to buy two CD's instead of one?? Honestly I believe if people want the CD they will buy it, I really don't believe that just because another band has a same week release that it affects others sales, unless ALL their fans are really poor. Uh, wow, I guess the economy must not be affecting you all that much, huh? I for one really do not have 30 bucks to just drop on CDs. I have bills, food, etc. to pay for first that are a lot more important than music.
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Post by pen on Aug 21, 2009 13:59:54 GMT -5
Then again, you're in Canada, so why would the economy affect you at all anyway?
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Post by Pipa on Aug 21, 2009 14:45:57 GMT -5
Then again, you're in Canada, so why would the economy affect you at all anyway? The economy's bad up here too... Well, except for Saskatchewan. Go us.
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Post by Cody on Aug 21, 2009 14:48:03 GMT -5
Then again, you're in Canada, so why would the economy affect you at all anyway? I dont wanna get into a big economical argument, but we're doing pretty shitty too. Im from Sudbury, the nickel capital of the world, and things are so bad that Vale Inco, the big Nickel company here is on strike and not mining for world demand. That's just us though, things are bad EVERYWHERE
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Post by pen on Aug 21, 2009 15:24:03 GMT -5
Ah. I had no idea. Carry on.
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Post by PHOBES on Aug 22, 2009 13:14:59 GMT -5
Looking at my bank account and the albums I plan to buy before the year is out, it's just not adding up.
August 25th: Skillet
August 31st: Chevelle, The Used
September 8th: Thousand Foot Krutch (Welcome to the Masquerade), Thousand Foot Krutch (Anthology)
September 22nd: Pillar, The Letter Black, Three Days Grace
September 29th: Alter Bridge, Breaking Benjamin
October 20th: Kutless, 30 Seconds to Mars
October 27th: Creed, Flyleaf, Train
November 3rd: Switchfoot
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Post by pen on Aug 22, 2009 13:19:31 GMT -5
Why are you buying the Anthology? You don't have those albums already?
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Post by PHOBES on Aug 22, 2009 15:22:48 GMT -5
I used to, long story.
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Post by metalfan87 on Aug 26, 2009 7:19:48 GMT -5
top 50 in Active
- 49 FLYLEAF Again 145 - 145 0.37
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Aug 26, 2009 11:50:02 GMT -5
Top 50 on Alternative:
655 44 FLYLEAF Again 187 1 186 0.682
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Post by Gravity. on Aug 26, 2009 17:24:32 GMT -5
I really like this.
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Post by metalfan87 on Aug 28, 2009 6:43:04 GMT -5
Top 40 in Active
81 40 FLYLEAF Again 225 32 193 0.5
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Post by fran182 on Aug 31, 2009 11:30:01 GMT -5
Yesterday, it reached top 40 on Mediabase Alternative. Here's today's update:
54 37 FLYLEAF Again 302 126 +176 0.754
39 stations playing.
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