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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 15, 2009 19:32:45 GMT -5
Harmony, instrumentation/timbre, orchestration, production techniques, Vocals (as in the sound of the voice rather than the melody or the lyrics), countour of the song (does it start soft, does it maintain energy all the way through, does it ebb, etc).
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Post by pen on Oct 15, 2009 19:47:04 GMT -5
Just as I said, nothing important.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 15, 2009 19:51:47 GMT -5
=p
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Post by Cody on Oct 15, 2009 20:00:07 GMT -5
Just as I said, nothing important. exactly my point, there are only 3 things, and you said the other two are bigger than lyrics as well as I, and I'm not just directing this at you, but if that's the case for anyone, why do people hate on music just because its about sex?
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Post by mcbrearty on Oct 15, 2009 20:23:05 GMT -5
This is awful.
Ya see, Nickelback made "Something In Your Mouth" and that (even from a massive Nickelback fan such as myself) has very silly lyrics and isnt very deep. But what it did have is a unique guitar intro to it, that is unmistakable. It was fun and it was bloody catchy even when you did'nt want it to be.
Whereas, this has nothing going for it.
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 15, 2009 20:30:48 GMT -5
Just as I said, nothing important. exactly my point, there are only 3 things, and you said the other two are bigger than lyrics as well as I, and I'm not just directing this at you, but if that's the case for anyone, why do people hate on music just because its about sex? I don't hate on songs because they're about sex, I hate on songs because they're built lazily on nothing but borderline misogynistic ham-handed sex cliches and forgettable song structures! ;) Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Cody on Oct 15, 2009 20:32:36 GMT -5
^^^ Yeah but I still fail to see why that matters if the song's are good musically. We're all old of enough and mature (well hopefully) to be able to desensitize ourselves to the content
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 15, 2009 20:37:13 GMT -5
^^^ Yeah but I still fail to see why that matters if the song's are good musically. We're all old of enough and mature (well hopefully) to be able to desensitize ourselves to the content I agree, and I know this wasn't intended as an artistic statement or anything of that sort and just simply an anthem, particularly for concerts. Still, that doesn't erase the fact, in my mind anyway, this is a horrible song and, as far as generic cliched sex anthems go, it's inferior to most. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by pen on Oct 15, 2009 20:42:29 GMT -5
To be honest, listening to songs like this always make me feel like an asshole.
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Post by Cody on Oct 15, 2009 20:51:50 GMT -5
Well listening to the artists normal views in real life should change that. Like Josh Todd of Buckcherry for example in an interview said he could not associate himself with the women he sings about, he's a loving family man who just wants the best for his kids.
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Post by pen on Oct 15, 2009 20:57:04 GMT -5
Hence why I respect Josh Todd and Buckcherry and not Hinder. Plus Josh Todd has written quite a few serious songs. His solo album is really what got me into Buckcherry in a way.
EDIT: I still haven't heard this song yet, BTW. I'm willing to give POM the benefit of the doubt though because I've enjoyed their work in the past. I just hope it's not a Metamorphosis.
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 15, 2009 21:07:26 GMT -5
Well listening to the artists normal views in real life should change that. Like Josh Todd of Buckcherry for example in an interview said he could not associate himself with the women he sings about, he's a loving family man who just wants the best for his kids. I believe him for, from what I've gathered in a handful of interviews I've read featuring him, Todd is very open-minded, thoughtful and, more than anything, the type of music he writes with Buckcherry is more just paying homage to classical hard rock and its conventional themes like sex, drugs and partying, as opposed to actually reveling in that bacchanalia personally (there's nothing wrong with sex and partying as long as no one is hurt, but I'm annoyed when artists compulsively spit out those same tired cliches for obvious attempts at capitalizing on airplay like Papa Roach and Nickelback have done when they had already proved themselves) To his credit, I didn't slam "Crazy B****" because I identified it as such: a homage to classic hard rock that was intended to be a fun-loving arena anthem more than anything, and I happened to think, reviewing singles like that under the anthem criteria, it was a very effective, ultra-catchy one at that, so where generic cliched sex anthems are concerned, this is one of the best cliched generic sex anthems because of the charisma Todd pours into the performance, coupled with Nelson's irresistible riffs and the rest of the band helping make the track feel full-blooded and fun. In contrast, reviewing "Spaceship" under the same generic cliched sex anthem with appeal to arenas rather than art standards, this is a much less catchy and appealing one. I couldn't even make out what Scantlin was saying in the verses..........ultimately making for an utterly forgettable attempt at another generic cliched sex anthem that aspires to be played at strip clubs and Active Rock radio for years to come. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by pen on Oct 15, 2009 21:09:32 GMT -5
I remember when Puddle Of Mudd's most famous song was about him being away from his son. What the hell happened to that?
Then again their second most famous had the line "I like the way you smack my ass". I fold.
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Post by Cody on Oct 15, 2009 21:24:30 GMT -5
What? I don't recall that line in "She Hates Me"
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Post by Cody on Oct 15, 2009 21:26:40 GMT -5
ok after searching that's in "Control," but "She Hates Me" is much more famous than "Control," as is "Psycho"
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Post by pen on Oct 15, 2009 21:28:06 GMT -5
I was doing a "remember when" bit, but I confess I totally forgot about "She Hates Me".
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Post by Matt4319 on Oct 15, 2009 21:28:26 GMT -5
No way "Psycho" is more 'famous' than "Control".
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Post by Cody on Oct 15, 2009 21:29:51 GMT -5
It's definitely close, and "She Hates Me" is alot bigger than both anyways
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Post by Mega248 on Oct 15, 2009 21:43:20 GMT -5
As crash46 would say, you're splitting hairs. They all blow.
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Post by American Idiot on Oct 15, 2009 23:33:13 GMT -5
This is a good example of many songs that have come out lately that sound good, but the lyrics just bother me due to the cock-rockyness of them. Most of these post-grunge bands I feel have a lot of talent, but are losing my interest dramatically when they make songs with lyrics like these.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Oct 16, 2009 2:50:04 GMT -5
As crash46 would say, you're splitting hairs. They all blow. High-five, Ethan! God, this song is crap. I certainly could've done without being tricked into picturing Wes Scantlin "naked." Yuck. I also could do without trying to picture the gross skank who would actually oblige Wes and be "naked" with him. Yuck again. Still, POM's worst song remains "She Hates Me." "Control," "Psycho," "Away From Me," and this are all right down there by the drain, too, though. Why do people hate on music just because it's about sex? The music you speak of isn't about sex, though. It's about fucking. And it's almost always from a misogynistic POV. Some cases even masochistic.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 16, 2009 2:57:08 GMT -5
I just want to know who ACTUALLY wrote "Blurry."
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Post by mcbrearty on Oct 16, 2009 5:37:56 GMT -5
I just want to know who ACTUALLY wrote "Blurry." Barry Manilow I think.
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Post by crash46 on Oct 16, 2009 13:02:29 GMT -5
As crash46 would say, you're splitting hairs. They all blow. Took the words right out of my mouth. ;). But if I must continue to split hairs, "Control" is the first song from them that everybody knows, and I'd figure it to be the final song on their setlists, usually reserved for their biggest/most well known/breakthrough hit (assuming Wesley isn't too fucked up to finish the show like he was one night in my hometown). "Blurry" temporarily upgraded the band from 'deplorable' to 'hit or miss', and like a few others here, I have no idea how this band could create such an incredible outlier of a good song. Those two will always be the first two songs I think of whenever I'm unfortunate enough to have to think of Puddle of Mudd. Every subsequent song however proved "Blurry" to be a fluke and their regained status of 'deplorable' is pretty much chiseled in stone now.
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Post by pen on Oct 16, 2009 13:05:45 GMT -5
I think POM has good songs here and there, just none of them are ever singles.
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Post by pen on Oct 16, 2009 15:05:33 GMT -5
I just heard this song, and I am now a little bit dumber.
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Post by PHOBES on Oct 16, 2009 15:50:10 GMT -5
Harmony, instrumentation/timbre, orchestration, production techniques, Vocals (as in the sound of the voice rather than the melody or the lyrics), countour of the song (does it start soft, does it maintain energy all the way through, does it ebb, etc). I'm a sucker for dynamics. I like hearing when artists don't blow out their vocal chords constantly, and randomly drop to piano or mezzo piano when they've been singing forte. Maybe I look too much into it. I just heard this song, and I am now a little bit dumber. And what did we learn? Maybe next time you'll heed my warning.
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Post by pen on Oct 16, 2009 15:54:46 GMT -5
I didn't think it was going to be that bad.
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Post by PHOBES on Oct 16, 2009 16:02:21 GMT -5
Haha, you're talking to the guy who actually liked "Psycho" before it was so overplayed. I don't mind "Famous" either honestly, but this just seems like a joke.
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Post by lockebox on Oct 16, 2009 17:01:42 GMT -5
Haha. Spaceshit more like. I will go a step further than Pen... My IQ level has diminished significantly after listening to this.
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