jeremimi
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Post by jeremimi on Aug 7, 2009 3:05:49 GMT -5
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weaver
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Post by weaver on Aug 7, 2009 5:28:16 GMT -5
All of us aren't bashing WH though. I love the new song but anytime I have an objective opinion that's not 100% in praise of whatever Nip is putting out, the Nippies jump on me. I said I don't think I Look to You is that great and suddenly I'm a h@ter. Keeping in mind, I love I Didn't Know My Own Strength and have been with Whitney since the late 80's (before Mariah came out). Same goes in here if people wanna be objective and have a different opinion, fine. But there's a difference between having a different opinion and just plain bashing. I feel like this: the good have to suffer for the bad. 9 times out of ten, it's always the Mariah fans (not necessarily all) posting their negative views about Whitney. I've started posting in this side of the forum since two weeks ago, but I always lurked when I wasn't in the General Music section, but I paid close attention, and it ALWAYS the Mimi fans igniting the arguments. I have no problems with opinions, but I do have a problem with a certain group of people having a habit of trying to spoil a "special moment." We get it: Whitney's voice isn't strong enough anymore; she needs a big hit to make a comeback like Mimi, etc. That sh!t is a huge turnoff. And it's not like Mariah's latest work is any better. I have respect for both women, and to be honest, I love both of their catalogs equally. However, Mariah had her comeback in 2005, and deservingly so. It seems like Mariah fans don't want to see Whitney have a comeback, and that says a lot about them. I'm trying to be objective when it comes to Mariah, but it's because of some of her fans the Whitney fans attack her, and you know I'm not jiving. 8ball, I'm having a problem and here it is. There may be a few yahoos over on the WH thread, who are MC fans, who are talking shit. The majority are not. So I have a bit of a problem with your "the good have to suffer for the bad" comment. No, they don't, but you are choosing to go that route. That makes you no better than the Mariah fans who are so pressed for some reason that they need to bash Whitney. That's like a "two wrongs dont' make a right" kinda situation. For the life of me I will never understand why some people feel like the success of Whitney and Mariah must be mutually exclusive, like radio will only play one of them. Maybe there is only so much room on playlists for certain types of music, but I don't think programmers are sitting there saying "we can't play this Mariah track because we are playing the Whitney track."
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summers
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Post by summers on Aug 7, 2009 5:48:43 GMT -5
^ Ah, the voice of reason!
And what a mess of a thread this is. When I last checked this thread was only on page 2. Less than half a day later, I need to catch up to 10 pages of no substantial news or even airplay info. LOL.
But seriously, how's her airplay? HushHush? Britney4life? Anyone?
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Caution
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Post by Caution on Aug 7, 2009 5:51:41 GMT -5
Can i post this in here oh oh If this cover is real I will never buy Whitney albums again
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Cautionme11/16
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Post by Cautionme11/16 on Aug 7, 2009 6:52:22 GMT -5
What is going on with these mediocre AI updates? I guess as long as she's still gaining spins. :(
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dream<3lover
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Post by dream<3lover on Aug 7, 2009 7:55:53 GMT -5
Its a minor speed bump, alot of songs have been having small updates past couple of days, i think it will stabilize over the weekend
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The Northern Star⭐
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Post by The Northern Star⭐ on Aug 7, 2009 8:39:53 GMT -5
God, help me please....LOLOLOLOLOL!
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Junkiex
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Post by Junkiex on Aug 7, 2009 8:52:31 GMT -5
^ LMFAO!!!!
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Mimoo
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Post by Mimoo on Aug 7, 2009 8:53:47 GMT -5
God, help me please....LOLOLOLOLOL!
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Junkiex
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Post by Junkiex on Aug 7, 2009 9:00:54 GMT -5
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The Northern Star⭐
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Post by The Northern Star⭐ on Aug 7, 2009 9:02:57 GMT -5
A lot of people's airplay has been lacking lately, I wonder what the deal is? I heard Obsessed on the radio yesterday, felt darn good too.
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Post by r.enato on Aug 7, 2009 9:14:24 GMT -5
I wanna know what love is. I want Pulse to show me. But, I don't think Pulse knows either. Best post ever.
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Junkiex
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Post by Junkiex on Aug 7, 2009 9:14:44 GMT -5
^ Do you mean lacking of airplay updates???
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The Northern Star⭐
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Post by The Northern Star⭐ on Aug 7, 2009 9:19:59 GMT -5
No, lack of jumps in impressions.
On FOMM they started a discussion of what album best represents Mariah's vocal PEAK? What album(s) was her voice best represented on?
My answer is a wide time period, between 1991 (Emotions) and 1997 (Butterfly). During those 6 years is what I believe was the peak of Mariah's voice. Merry Christmas, Music Box, Emotions, Daydream, Butterfly, MTV Unplugged. The debut was good but her voice matured on Emotions and she had more control. You're So Cold anyone?
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 7, 2009 9:22:32 GMT -5
This whole "Whitney copied Mariah" with her single cover is ridiculous as Mariah isn't even close to the first person to use that particular motif. Hell, even going by this standard one could say Mariah "copied" Amerie:
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Junkiex
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Post by Junkiex on Aug 7, 2009 9:27:17 GMT -5
No, lack of jumps in impressions. On FOMM they started a discussion of what album best represents Mariah's vocal PEAK? What album(s) was her voice best represented on? My answer is a bring wide time period, between 1991 (Emotions) and 1997 (Butterfly). During those 6 years is what I believe was the peak of Mariah's voice. Merry Christmas, Music Box, Emotions, Daydream, Butterfly, MTV Unplugged. The debut was good but her voice matured on Emotions and she had more control. You're So Cold anyone? Oh I actually did the opposite recently at another forum. Asking which was, in their opinion, Mariah's worst album vocally. Yes, probably the whole 1991-1997 era was her best. I especially enjoy the 1993-1995 (Music Box/Daydream). I think in her first rwo albums her voices sounds less polished than in those two. In Butterfly we start to see just a tiny bit of a decline. The worst are for me #1's / Rainbow. She sounded very hoarse on those (I Still Believe/Against All Odds/Crybaby). Then Glitter and Charmbracelet had lots of whispering (especially the latter) but to me she sounded a bit clearer, just went for a different singing style. Then TEOM was HUGE vocally. And E was kind of weak IMO as well (IWYW was the best on that album) Her voice seemed much better on AGT, even her speaking voice. Let's see what Memoirs will bring to the table :)
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The Northern Star⭐
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Post by The Northern Star⭐ on Aug 7, 2009 9:31:28 GMT -5
I listened to Rainbow two days ago and realized something, no matter how people trash it (I personally love it), it's her most personal album. She was telling a story about her. I don't even think the Rainbow vocals were bad, Heartbreaker anyone...I'm not sure if I enjoy too much more than that "It's a shame.." at the beginning of the 2nd verse. I love Crybaby's vocals, they're raw and soulful, gonna listen to that now (lol).
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Caution
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Post by Caution on Aug 7, 2009 9:31:46 GMT -5
This whole "Whitney copied Mariah" with her single cover is ridiculous as Mariah isn't even close to the first person to use that particular motif. Hell, even going by this standard one could say Mariah "copied" Amerie: ;)
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Junkiex
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Post by Junkiex on Aug 7, 2009 9:35:02 GMT -5
^I love Rainbow, it's been one of the albums I was more attached to when it was released. Crybaby is my fav on that album actually. I just listened to some tracks on my way to the office and was actually thinking that indeed, the hoarseness is not present in every track. Heartbreaker is awesome vocally. I was actually thinking if maybe some songs were recorded with some time in between? IDK! However, her voice does sound the hoarsest in #1's and Rainbow, although not in all tracks.
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dream<3lover
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Post by dream<3lover on Aug 7, 2009 9:35:03 GMT -5
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 7, 2009 9:35:07 GMT -5
;)
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The Northern Star⭐
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Post by The Northern Star⭐ on Aug 7, 2009 9:36:29 GMT -5
What was wrong with I Stay In Love?
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Caution
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Post by Caution on Aug 7, 2009 9:38:50 GMT -5
;) 1) He is not singer 2) Is the same pose 3) We are talking about females
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Post by Dammn Baby on Aug 7, 2009 9:38:57 GMT -5
No, lack of jumps in impressions. On FOMM they started a discussion of what album best represents Mariah's vocal PEAK? What album(s) was her voice best represented on? My answer is a wide time period, between 1991 (Emotions) and 1997 (Butterfly). During those 6 years is what I believe was the peak of Mariah's voice. Merry Christmas, Music Box, Emotions, Daydream, Butterfly, MTV Unplugged. The debut was good but her voice matured on Emotions and she had more control. You're So Cold anyone? I totally agree with this. Different facets of her voice were well represented during that period. I think the Glitter and TEOM eras were also quite strong from a vocal standpoint.
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dream<3lover
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Post by dream<3lover on Aug 7, 2009 9:39:30 GMT -5
What was wrong with I Stay In Love? Its okay, its lacking many things Recordman, compared to most M ballads its weak overall...besides it wasnt even close to being top 3 best ballads on even E=MC2.......iprefered, FTR, LS, WYW, BB
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Dammn Baby
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Post by Dammn Baby on Aug 7, 2009 9:41:01 GMT -5
Guys, you can trace this sort of image back to the dawn of commercial photography. It isn't original and no one is copying Mariah (or vice versa).
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The Northern Star⭐
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Post by The Northern Star⭐ on Aug 7, 2009 9:41:37 GMT -5
Will anyone ever be able to touch this?
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 7, 2009 9:44:02 GMT -5
1) He is not singer 2) Is the same pose 3) We are talking about females Well first of all it was you who deviated from what I was originally speaking about (album covers) by posting a still from a music video. Point being, Mariah is not the first to come up with the concept (in use of covers or videos) so she's just as unoriginal as Whitney who you all claim "copied" her.
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Post by xmusikk on Aug 7, 2009 9:44:16 GMT -5
This is not your thread hun so I can go where the hell I want to and say what I want to. I sure as hell am not shy and will NEVER listen to you. Hey, I was just tryna warn you, people get banned for trolling. You clearly don't like Mariah or any of her fans, as you made clear in the Whitney thread. I cannot stand this girl, Tabitha. Eveything that comes out of her mouth is trash. I went off on her and ofcourse I got banned. Whatever, it was worth it. She talks shit all the time, she attacks people and the Moderators don't do anything, but yet I get banned? Is all good, see you guys in 20 days! This is xmusikk, a.k.a Linkinfan815
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Junkiex
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Post by Junkiex on Aug 7, 2009 9:45:53 GMT -5
;) LOL it's THAT video. This is the worst it can get. Well, actually no, then there's Last Night a DJ Saved My Life's video mess.
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