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Post by metalfan87 on Oct 28, 2009 14:37:21 GMT -5
Hits daily double projects that Full Circle will sell between 100-110k. It's pretty good. I WISH IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE #1 ALBUM FOR NEXT WEEK INSTEAD OF MICHAEL JACKSON!
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Post by PHOBES on Oct 28, 2009 20:51:56 GMT -5
How is that good news? SO people can STEAL it? That is what is ruining bands and the industry. Yes, because certainly people don't listen to an leak to hear if it's worth a purchase or not. Still seems wrong to me. Maybe that's what you do, but we both know the majority of the downloading population doesn't do so to get a sample. And what do you do if it's not worth a purchase? Delete it? *shrugs*
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Post by pen on Oct 28, 2009 23:04:41 GMT -5
Yes, because certainly people don't listen to an leak to hear if it's worth a purchase or not. Still seems wrong to me. Maybe that's what you do, but we both know the majority of the downloading population doesn't do so to get a sample. And what do you do if it's not worth a purchase? Delete it? *shrugs* I'm not saying it doesn't have an effect, I'm just saying you can't paint everyone with the same brush.
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Post by PHOBES on Oct 29, 2009 12:11:11 GMT -5
great news, guys.... ALBUM HAS LEAKED!! I WISH IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE #1 ALBUM FOR NEXT WEEK! I just noticed that the same guy posted both of those...hmmm...
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Post by Rumors on Oct 31, 2009 9:35:24 GMT -5
Predictable song and video from Creed. The is the first that I've heard from Creed in years. I don't hear the old tunes on the radio. Anyway, I just watched Scott and Mark being interviewed on VH1. Has Scott ever cracked a joke or smiled in an interview? He takes it all WAY too seriously.
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Post by Rumors on Oct 31, 2009 9:37:51 GMT -5
Oh yeah, their first week sales projections aren't bad at all. I would think they would be very happy with anything over 100,000 in the US.
Seeing that video just made me realize how so much American rock (and Canadian in Nickleback's case) sounds so much alike. Daughtry, Nickleback, Creed, Shinedown...
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Post by PHOBES on Oct 31, 2009 15:08:21 GMT -5
Seeing that video just made me realize how so much American rock (and Canadian in Nickleback's case) sounds so much alike. Daughtry, Nickleback, Creed, Shinedown... By that you mean popular "American" rock. Pop radio is very smug when it comes to rock crossovers, they have to meet a certain criteria it seems. Daughtry and Nickelback's recent pop struggles can be attributed to a pair of "new" similar-sounding artists that have made a name for themselves recently. Shinedown (Daughtry) and Theory of a Deadman (Nickelback). The fact that Kings of Leon (another American band) went to number one is because pop plays no one else that sounds like them, especially with The Killers on the decline.
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 31, 2009 15:46:10 GMT -5
Seeing that video just made me realize how so much American rock (and Canadian in Nickleback's case) sounds so much alike. Daughtry, Nickleback, Creed, Shinedown... By that you mean popular "American" rock. Pop radio is very smug when it comes to rock crossovers, they have to meet a certain criteria it seems. Daughtry and Nickelback's recent pop struggles can be attributed to a pair of "new" similar-sounding artists that have made a name for themselves recently. Shinedown (Daughtry) and Theory of a Deadman (Nickelback). The fact that Kings of Leon (another American band) went to number one is because pop plays no one else that sounds like them, especially with The Killers on the decline. Theory Of A Deadman didn't exactly conquer mainstream radio, though. They only made a brief Top 20 denting on the CHR/Pop format. Certainly they've had an incredibly successful era on Active Rock this era, but Nickelback remains viable on this format as well given their last two singles have been Top 3 hits. Sincerely, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by pen on Oct 31, 2009 16:17:45 GMT -5
Seeing that video just made me realize how so much American rock (and Canadian in Nickleback's case) sounds so much alike. Daughtry, Nickleback, Creed, Shinedown... By that you mean popular "American" rock. Pop radio is very smug when it comes to rock crossovers, they have to meet a certain criteria it seems. Daughtry and Nickelback's recent pop struggles can be attributed to a pair of "new" similar-sounding artists that have made a name for themselves recently. Shinedown (Daughtry) and Theory of a Deadman (Nickelback). The fact that Kings of Leon (another American band) went to number one is because pop plays no one else that sounds like them, especially with The Killers on the decline. Daughtry is more synonymous with Nickelback than Shinedown, if anything.
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Post by Rumors on Oct 31, 2009 16:49:51 GMT -5
By that you mean popular "American" rock. Pop radio is very smug when it comes to rock crossovers, they have to meet a certain criteria it seems. Daughtry and Nickelback's recent pop struggles can be attributed to a pair of "new" similar-sounding artists that have made a name for themselves recently. Shinedown (Daughtry) and Theory of a Deadman (Nickelback). The fact that Kings of Leon (another American band) went to number one is because pop plays no one else that sounds like them, especially with The Killers on the decline. I pretty much agree with your comments here. I guess I refer to this as meat and potatoes rock. I hate that term and really shouldn't have used it but it does kind of describe what I'm saying. I'm a Rob Thomas fan and I hate when they describe his music as soccer mom music or MOR but I guess it is in a way. Doesn't mean that it isn't good but it's definitely "softer" than most of the music coming from these other bands. I think Use Someday by KOL but I have a hunch that most of their stuff isn't what I like but I can definitely see what was appealing about that song. It was different and the singer actually sounded pretty good on it.
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Post by Gravity. on Oct 31, 2009 18:56:10 GMT -5
I think that the reason why Daughtry and Nickelback have been having trouble on mainstream radio is because the radio "sound" is changing. Guitar driven rock is on it's way out on CHR, sadly. Use Somebody was a different sound for CHR and Second Chance was too good of a song to be ignored. (well, in my opinion)
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Post by Rumors on Oct 31, 2009 22:54:36 GMT -5
I think that the reason why Daughtry and Nickelback have been having trouble on mainstream radio is because the radio "sound" is changing. Guitar driven rock is on it's way out on CHR, sadly. Use Somebody was a different sound for CHR and Second Chance was too good of a song to be ignored. (well, in my opinion) Agree. I knew Second Chance was a hit the first time I heard it. It was a very strong song. Their current single is struggling. It simply isn't the song that Second Chance was.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Nov 1, 2009 4:03:27 GMT -5
I think that the reason why Daughtry and Nickelback have been having trouble on mainstream radio is because the radio "sound" is changing. Guitar driven rock is on it's way out on CHR, sadly. Use Somebody was a different sound for CHR and Second Chance was too good of a song to be ignored. (well, in my opinion) Agree. I knew Second Chance was a hit the first time I heard it. It was a very strong song. Their current single is struggling. It simply isn't the song that Second Chance was. Two months ago, I knew someone would mention that "If You Only Knew" was inferior to "Second Chance", but I hold the exact opposite opinion. I think "If You Only Knew" would have achieved the success of the original second single had it been released following the title track. Perhaps an expert on music theory (like Nicholas2.0 and I'm sure others) can clarify my position here, but "Second Chance" has a certain unsettling feeling throughout, and I believe that is due to the song being primarily in minor keys. I believe CHR/Pop has been more major key-friendly. Both songs are epic and quite similar in nature, with that one glaring exception. I just happen to find "If You Only Knew" far more appealing, although it doesn't stand a chance in Hades of replicating the success of "Second Chance" on Active, Alt., or CHR.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Nov 1, 2009 4:05:46 GMT -5
And before some folks ask....
Some folks call it Hell, I call it Hades.
Mmmm-hmmm....
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Post by Gravity. on Nov 1, 2009 22:10:14 GMT -5
Agree. I knew Second Chance was a hit the first time I heard it. It was a very strong song. Their current single is struggling. It simply isn't the song that Second Chance was. Two months ago, I knew someone would mention that "If You Only Knew" was inferior to "Second Chance", but I hold the exact opposite opinion. I think "If You Only Knew" would have achieved the success of the original second single had it been released following the title track. Perhaps an expert on music theory (like Nicholas2.0 and I'm sure others) can clarify my position here, but "Second Chance" has a certain unsettling feeling throughout, and I believe that is due to the song being primarily in minor keys. I believe CHR/Pop has been more major key-friendly. Both songs are epic and quite similar in nature, with that one glaring exception. I just happen to find "If You Only Knew" far more appealing, although it doesn't stand a chance in Hades of replicating the success of "Second Chance" on Active, Alt., or CHR. I like If You Only Knew and Second Chance about evenly. If You Only Knew is more easily relatable, but Second Chance has more of an epic feel to it. I think that If You Only Knew could do as well as Second Chance on CHR, but the stars would have to align just perfectly. It might get a top five showing on Active and Alt, which isn't bad at all.
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Post by metalfan87 on Nov 3, 2009 18:08:13 GMT -5
final sales
- 3 CREED WIND-UP 107,536 -- FULL CIRCLE
u gotta be kiddin me
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Post by Matt4319 on Nov 3, 2009 23:11:34 GMT -5
What? You said yourself at the top of the page that it was projected to sell 100-110K.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Nov 4, 2009 0:28:12 GMT -5
He probably thought that would be good enough for #1?
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Post by metalfan87 on Nov 4, 2009 7:56:52 GMT -5
I thought it would be #2, but Taylor Swift surpassed them
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 5, 2009 14:53:14 GMT -5
I thought it would be #2, but Taylor Swift surpassed them MTV News reported yesterday at noon that Creed came in at #2 with 110,000, while Taylor was at #3 with 109,000.
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Post by pen on Nov 5, 2009 15:02:44 GMT -5
I thought it would be #2, but Taylor Swift surpassed them MTV News reported yesterday at noon that Creed came in at #2 with 110,000, while Taylor was at #3 with 109,000. That's strange, because Hits Daily Double says Creed is at #3 with 107,536 and Taylor is at #2 with 111,147. I wonder who's right?
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Post by PHOBES on Nov 5, 2009 15:04:49 GMT -5
HITS doesn't have ALL the numbers. Hence why anyone can access it. The official numbers are on billboard. Even though they too don't have all the numbers, they're just considered "official." EDIT: Yup, Billboard has Creed listed at number 2 officially, must've been close. www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200
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Post by pen on Nov 5, 2009 15:08:10 GMT -5
HITS doesn't have ALL the numbers. My point is that if that's the case, they gave Taylor 2,000 more sales than they should have, and that's kind of odd. That's not an obvious case of not having all the sales data. Plus Billboard's numbers are obviously rounded off.
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Post by PHOBES on Nov 5, 2009 15:13:45 GMT -5
You have to pay to get actual numbers pen, you should know this haha
They don't wanna give out too much information for free. It also depends on what they monitor. If you look at a Christian artists debut week sales. The billboard numbers will have the total amount listed as (for example) 50,000. Next to it, they may have the debut week's numbers as 52,000. They recognize Christian book stores, but don't count them in the total. This, of course, is just an example, because I know there are other locations they "monitor" but don't necessarily record data. I'm not saying this is what happened here, just a possibility.
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Post by pen on Nov 5, 2009 15:49:27 GMT -5
So is the suggestion that they're both right?
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Post by PHOBES on Nov 5, 2009 16:41:42 GMT -5
Neither of them are right per se. Billboard has just long been considered "official," even though they're not 100% accurate.
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Post by Cody on Nov 5, 2009 22:51:23 GMT -5
well I'm not complaining. #2 > #3
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Post by jvandyck87 on Nov 5, 2009 23:12:28 GMT -5
Rankings...when the inequality 2>3 is true.
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Post by The Party Captain on Nov 6, 2009 15:53:11 GMT -5
It would have gotten #1 if Michael Jackson was still alive.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 6, 2009 16:28:52 GMT -5
It would have gotten #1 if Michael Jackson was still alive. LOL If Michael Jackson were still alive, This Is It wouldn't even exist.
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