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Post by joey2002 on Jan 18, 2010 17:54:25 GMT -5
To be fair, i think you need to include either all "vocal collaborations" -- or include none. Otherwise, you'll always have people who can argue about whether any song is worthy enough to be counted or not...so I think there needs to be some concrete rule. Does that mean practically ALL songs are vocal collaborations? I mean, you DO have background singers on the great majority of the hits out there! LoL...I'm just talking about the artists themselves -- for example -- the nominations for "vocal event of the year" don't include popular songs with background singers we've never heard of! ;) I think inclusion should either be all or none...or some kind of concrete rule. That way, discretion doesn't have to be made with each song individually, whether it is "worthy enough".
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 18, 2010 18:03:43 GMT -5
If you are talking about nominations for Vocal Event (or Music Event) of the Year (by BOTH A.C.M. and/or C.M.A.), that would be up to them what would be deemed a 'vocal collaboration'!
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Post by joey2002 on Jan 18, 2010 18:11:20 GMT -5
If you are talking about nominations for Vocal Event (or Music Event) of the Year (by BOTH A.C.M. and/or C.M.A.), that would be up to them what would be deemed a 'vocal collaboration'! I'm talking about your list, and I'm just trying to make it easier for you in the future! :) By having some type of concrete rule -- like saying "all" or "none" -- people won't be arguing on every song about whether it's more/less deserving and should be counted. Does this make sense at all? For example, I believe that Whitburn made a rule that he doesn't count collaborations in #1 streaks (such as "Start A Band" during Brad's 10 in a row) For the record, personally I'm not really sure if "Bring On The Rain" should count or not. I think people could make an argument either way on virtually every song which features multiple artists...so it would be easier for you to just make some type of rule (whatever that rule may be) rather than personal discretion. I'm sure Zazie & Jonsolo will have good advice for ya... :)
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Post by WamuFive on Jan 18, 2010 18:27:23 GMT -5
LoL...I'm just talking about the artists themselves -- for example -- the nominations for "vocal event of the year" don't go by background singers! To the contrary, "Bring On The Rain" received nominations from both the Grammy's and the ACM's for Vocal Event of the Year. According to them, Tim sang enough background to count this song as a collaboration.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 18, 2010 18:28:10 GMT -5
You do make sense, joey2002! However, you would have to take EVERY vocal collaboration with a grain of salt. In the current example of Bring On The Rain, Tim McGraw DOES NOT play a prominent role in the song. As I have explained earlier, he is there to back up Jo Dee Messina. He does not sing a single LINE by himself! It is not necessarily a rule and/or discretion. I DID play the song twice on YouTube today after drummerman2009's comments and have posted my findings already. As far as the last great #1s streak in country music (by Brad Paisley), his streak STARTED with a vocal collaboration, with Dolly Parton. His ten in a row were: 1. When I Get Where I'm Going-with Dolly Parton-2006 2. The World-2006 3. She's Everything-2007 4. Ticks-2007 5. Online-2007 6. Letter To Me-2008 7. I'm Still A Guy-2008 8. Waitin' On A Woman-2008 9. Start A Band-with Keith Urban-2009 10. Then-2009 His streak ended when Welcome To The Future peaked at #2. As far as the two duets mentioned, the only criteria I would use to determine a long chart topping streak is whose CD the song is on. Parton NEVER had a strong presence during the last ten years on the charts, so it would not REALLY matter in that situation. Urban DID have a pretty strong run during the last ten years, so I would include S.A.B. as part of a #1s streak for him. His others during that time were: 1. You Look Good In My Shirt-2008 2. Start A Band-with Brad Paisley-2009 3. Sweet Thing-2009 Even if the duet peaked at #2, I would still consider Urban to have at least two consecutive #1s as the duet came from a Paisley CD. Urban's streak did come to an end when Kiss A Girl peaked at #3 last year!
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Post by joey2002 on Jan 18, 2010 18:33:03 GMT -5
LoL...I'm just talking about the artists themselves -- for example -- the nominations for "vocal event of the year" don't go by background singers! To the contrary, "Bring On The Rain" received nominations from both the Grammy's and the ACM's for Vocal Event of the Year. According to them, Tim sang enough background to count this song as a collaboration. I think "I Hope You Dance" also received vocal event nominations because of Sons Of The Desert...
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Post by WamuFive on Jan 18, 2010 18:35:37 GMT -5
^^^ I think so too. I guess the point being that industry music award voting panels are not very discriminatory when it comes to choosing nominations for "vocal events".
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Post by joey2002 on Jan 18, 2010 18:37:52 GMT -5
You do make sense, joey2002! However, you would have to take EVERY vocal collaboration with a grain of salt. In the current example of Bring On The Rain, Tim McGraw DOES NOT play a prominent role in the song. As I have explained earlier, he is there to back up Jo Dee Messina. He does not sing a single LINE by himself! It is not necessarily a rule and/or discretion. I DID play the song twice on YouTube today after drummerman2009's comments and have posted my findings already. As far as the last great #1s streak in country music (by Brad Paisley), his streak STARTED with a vocal collaboration, with Dolly Parton. His ten in a row were: 1. When I Get Where I'm Going-with Dolly Parton-2006 2. The World-2006 3. She's Everything-2007 4. Ticks-2007 5. Online-2007 6. Letter To Me-2008 7. I'm Still A Guy-2008 8. Waitin' On A Woman-2008 9. Start A Band-with Keith Urban-2009 10. Then-2009 His streak ended when Welcome To The Future peaked at #2. As far as the two duets mentioned, the only criteria I would use to determine a long chart topping streak is whose CD the song is on. that's what i'm talking about...just having some type of concrete rule like that.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 18, 2010 18:46:16 GMT -5
That is because the Sons Of The Desert actually sing the chorus by themselves!
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Post by WamuFive on Jan 18, 2010 18:50:39 GMT -5
I am fairly certain that if Tim McGraw (and Curb Records) were to put out a #1s CD, that the Jo Dee Messina hit would be on there. After all, BOTH artists are on the same label (for the time being!). Of course Curb would include this song. But you're talking about the same record label that chose not to release "Blank Sheet of Paper", "Whiskey And You", and "Train #10", among several other deserving songs as singles, included "Over and Over" on his second GH album, "Nine Lives" on his 3rd GH album and...why does he even have a 3rd GH album again???
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Post by WamuFive on Jan 18, 2010 18:52:45 GMT -5
That is because the Sons Of The Desert actually sing the chorus by themselves! Not true. While they sing part of the chorus, Lee Ann does a fair share of the singing in the chorus, too. At any rate, it doesn't really matter. The point is--award nominations for Vocal Events DO include mere background vocals, as we have seen with "Bring On The Rain".
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Post by onebuffalo on Jan 18, 2010 18:53:06 GMT -5
Because Curb Records likes to screw with their major artsts! Just ask Jo Dee Messina, Le Ann Rimes, and Hank Williams, Jr.!
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Post by Zazie on Jan 19, 2010 14:58:15 GMT -5
If you are talking about nominations for Vocal Event (or Music Event) of the Year (by BOTH A.C.M. and/or C.M.A.), that would be up to them what would be deemed a 'vocal collaboration'! I'm talking about your list, and I'm just trying to make it easier for you in the future! :) By having some type of concrete rule -- like saying "all" or "none" -- people won't be arguing on every song about whether it's more/less deserving and should be counted. Does this make sense at all? For example, I believe that Whitburn made a rule that he doesn't count collaborations in #1 streaks (such as "Start A Band" during Brad's 10 in a row) For the record, personally I'm not really sure if "Bring On The Rain" should count or not. I think people could make an argument either way on virtually every song which features multiple artists...so it would be easier for you to just make some type of rule (whatever that rule may be) rather than personal discretion. I'm sure Zazie & Jonsolo will have good advice for ya... :) Whitburn doesn't allow collaborations to end a streak. He does count collaborations that extend a streak. The simplest system, though not one that will produce consistent results, is to go with the credits that the record label provides for a song. If you don't want to do that -- and it's a flawed system too so I wouldn't blame you -- you're going to have a hard time coming up with rules. If Tim gets credited for Bring On The Rain, then why doesn't Patty Loveless get credit for Monday Morning Church? She contributes as much as he does. Good luck.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jan 19, 2010 15:41:49 GMT -5
the only criteria I would use to determine a long chart topping streak is whose CD the song is on. Then how would you count songs like "If You See Him/If You See Her," "My Kind of Woman/My Kind of Man" or "Maybe Not Tonight," which were concurrently released on both artists' CDs (Reba/B&D, Vince/Patty, Sammy/Lorrie)? Yes, I know only the first of those three was a #1, but still.
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Post by joey2002 on Jan 19, 2010 16:28:07 GMT -5
the only criteria I would use to determine a long chart topping streak is whose CD the song is on. Then how would you count songs like "If You See Him/If You See Her," "My Kind of Woman/My Kind of Man" or "Maybe Not Tonight," which were concurrently released on both artists' CDs (Reba/B&D, Vince/Patty, Sammy/Lorrie)? Yes, I know only the first of those three was a #1, but still. I'd imagine they would count for both artists under that rule...
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Post by Todd on Jan 26, 2010 14:40:49 GMT -5
Be glad you're a country music fan. Have you seen the credits on some of the rap/soul music songs of the past decade? Some of those include 4 or 5 artists! Imagine trying to keep track of the stats for those charts! :o ???
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Post by onebuffalo on Feb 24, 2010 10:21:20 GMT -5
I have updated my #1 Artists thread for two reasons: 1. Don Williams has just been elected to the Hall of Fame. Congratulations to him and also to Billy Sherrill, Ferlin Husky, and Jimmy Dean. 2. Because of the tireless efforts of Jon Solo, he has (with the criteria established by Joel Whitburn) declared Kenny Chesney the #1 artist of the 2000s when you compile his performance on the Billboard charts. Enjoy!
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 16, 2010 11:02:55 GMT -5
I have updated the totals for Blake Shelton's sixth #1 hit, Hillbilly Bone. Congratulations, Blake!
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 30, 2010 9:29:38 GMT -5
I have updated the totals for Carrie Underwood's ninth #1 hit, Temporary Home. Congratulations, Carrie!
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 28, 2010 14:25:54 GMT -5
I have updated the totals for Brad Paisley's 15th #1 hit, Water. Congratulations, Brad!
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Post by onebuffalo on Jul 26, 2010 17:15:33 GMT -5
I have updated the totals for Carrie Underwood's 10th #1 hit, Undo It. Congratulations, Carrie! Also, congratulations to your marriage to Mike Fisher!
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Post by onebuffalo on Aug 16, 2010 17:20:32 GMT -5
I have updated the totals for Blake Shelton's 7th #1 hit, All About Tonight. Congratulations, Blake!
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Post by carrieidol1 on Aug 16, 2010 19:44:28 GMT -5
Using this chart, I compiled a list of the top females in each decade, as by how many #1s they scored.
1960s: Tammy Wynette (6 #1s) 1970s: Tammy Wynette (10 #1s) 1980s: Reba McEntire (13 #1s) 1990s: Reba McEntire (8 #1s) 2000s: Carrie Underwood (8 #1s)
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Post by HeyHeyHey on Aug 16, 2010 20:12:53 GMT -5
Using this chart, I compiled a list of the top females in each decade, as by how many #1s they scored. 1960s: Tammy Wynette (6 #1s) 1970s: Tammy Wynette (10 #1s) 1980s: Reba McEntire (13 #1s) 1990s: Reba McEntire (8 #1s) 2000s: Carrie Underwood (8 #1s) If the pattern continues Carrie should get it this decade which I think she will.
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Post by joey2002 on Aug 16, 2010 20:15:47 GMT -5
^ A bit early though, since we're only partway through the first year of the decade, lol...
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Post by .indulgecountry on Aug 16, 2010 21:23:11 GMT -5
^ A bit early though, since we're only partway through the first year of the decade, lol... True, but she's the only current female artist at this point who is likely to hit #1 with everything she releases. If she continues at this rate she could wind up w/ double the #1s that she got last decade (since she was only active for the last half of the 2000s).
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Post by carrieidol1 on Aug 16, 2010 21:34:35 GMT -5
2010s so far:
Carrie Underwood: 2 #1s Miranda Lambert: 1 #1 Reba McEntire: 1 #1
Taylor Swift soon will join the "1" pack. At this point Carrie is the clear favorite to take the 2010s, but Miranda could easily see an album era that brings her 3+ #1s. Smae goes for both Reba and Taylor. Carrie is still in her 3-part #1 streak having multiple #1s from all of her albums to date. I see that continuing as long as her fanbase stays strong and she continues to release radio friendly music. Right now, I see Carrie getting 10+ more #1s this decade. I see Reba, Taylor, and Miranda all getting under 10. Obviously that is a prediction based on no information so anything could happen.
You also have to take into consideration all the new artists that might take the scene this decade. Before 2005, it was quite obvious that either Sara, JooDee, or one of those girls would take the cake for the decade. Then along comes Carrie Underwood who demolished the status quo of Country Music male domination and ended up having more #1s then many men last decade. You never know...
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Post by joey2002 on Aug 16, 2010 22:12:48 GMT -5
Obviously that is a prediction based on no information so anything could happen. Yeah, I mean Carrie didn't even score her first #1 until 2006, the second half of that decade. For all we know someone like Sarah Marince could come along and grab a bunch of #1 hits... ;)
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Post by drummerman2009 on Sept 6, 2010 16:44:27 GMT -5
You can now add Billy Currington to the list of people who have had 5 #1's since Pretty Good At Drinkin' Beer is now confirmed as the new #1 song. Congratulations Billy!!!
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Post by onebuffalo on Sept 7, 2010 9:12:04 GMT -5
You can now add Billy Currington to the list of people who have had 5 #1's since Pretty Good At Drinkin' Beer is now confirmed as the new #1 song. Congratulations Billy!!! Just did. Welcome Billy Currington to the big list of those with at least five #1 hits. Those chart topping songs are: 1. Must Be Doin' Something Right-2005 2. Good Directions-2007-chart wise, his biggest hit 3. People Are Crazy-2009 4. That's How Country Boys Roll-2010 5. Pretty Good At Drinkin' Beer-2010 Congratulations!
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