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Post by Good-Boy-Gone-Bad on Jan 7, 2010 12:33:27 GMT -5
I'm oddly very excited about this. I don't even like Mariah that much. I've loved every remix I've heard though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2010 12:40:07 GMT -5
I'm not going to get into the 'most successful female singer of all time!!!1' argument, because it's stupid, but are you seriously telling me you think just because an artist has one under-performing album that somehow invalidates their previous successes? Not at all. I just find her attempt to convince everybody to think she is the most successful female artist of all time by asking to be introduced that way is beyond desperate because she is not the most successful one. And I find it interesting that you all say Madonna is a has-been because her last 2 CDs sold twice of what Mariah's did worldwide. 1. What does you thinking that have to do with Memoirs' sales? 2. Madonna, Celine, Janet, Whitney etc. are all introduced like that. 3. Nobody has said anything like that in this thread. Please discuss Madonna in her own topic. Which brings me to... 4. 75% of your posts are about Mariah Carey even though you seem to hate her. May I suggest a hobby or perhaps therapy?
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Post by sdot23 on Jan 7, 2010 12:41:29 GMT -5
It seems that everyday there is a different argument going on in this thread.
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Post by ranjit on Jan 7, 2010 12:47:05 GMT -5
Also, I think there should be no doubt now that Memoirs will go gold in the US. After this weeks sales, it is only a few thousand copies shy of 400,000. Considering the album made a huge jump this week (115-72*) and considering Mariah will be getting some buzz thanks to the remix album, the album should easily ship 500,000. umm..this has surpassed 400k in the US and 650k WW... fishbscott, try to go to other forums' chart analysis section where actual experts provide valid information... Madonna fans are ALWAYS so annoying...Mariah Is NOT the biggest selling female artist...We ALL know that...so stop preaching plz. Again, Madonna +300m records Celine Dion 220m records Mariah Carey +202m records. no female artist can surpass the 200m record barrier hereafter.Not even Barbra(185m records) or even whitney (175-180m records) In short,Mariah is arguably the second biggest female artist of all time coz IMO celine is so much in the background that no one even notices her anymore.
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Post by Junkiex on Jan 7, 2010 12:49:28 GMT -5
Plus, Rene probably bought like 30% of those albums LOL
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Post by ranjit on Jan 7, 2010 12:49:48 GMT -5
Also, I think there should be no doubt now that Memoirs will go gold in the US. After this weeks sales, it is only a few thousand copies shy of 400,000. Considering the album made a huge jump this week (115-72*) and considering Mariah will be getting some buzz thanks to the remix album, the album should easily ship 500,000. umm..this has surpassed 400k in the US and 650k WW... fishbscott, try to go to other forums' chart analysis section where actual experts provide valid information... Madonna fans are ALWAYS so annoying...Mariah Is NOT the biggest selling female artist...We ALL know that...so stop preaching plz. Again, Madonna +300m records Celine Dion 220m records Mariah Carey +202m records. no female artist can surpass the 200m record barrier hereafter.Not even Barbra(185m records) or even whitney (175-180m records) In short,Mariah is arguably the second biggest female artist of all time coz IMO celine is so much in the background that no one even notices her anymore.
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Post by ranjit on Jan 7, 2010 12:52:52 GMT -5
Plus, Rene probably bought like 30% of those albums LOL he bought one album every day of his life = 30million albums till now. lol.. anyway,sorry for the double post..i thot my net got d/c
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Post by ranjit on Jan 7, 2010 12:56:16 GMT -5
btw,janet has moved 63m albums WORLDWIDE.
That is less than what mariah and madonna shifted in USA alone.
Just a lil fact...i dun't mean to upset any janet fans.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jan 7, 2010 12:58:04 GMT -5
Mariah is arguably the second biggest female artist of all time coz IMO celine is so much in the background that no one even notices her anymore. Let's hypothetically say those WW figures are correct for each artist. Celine currently being in the "background" wouldn't take away any of her previous sales or achievements; she would still be the second best-selling female artist of all time. It's also not surprising Celine is in the "background" considering she toured from the beginning of 08 to nearly the middle of 09 (a tour that grossed nearly $300 million) and has since been on break. When her last studio album was released (November 2007) it ended up selling over three million WW, so I'd say interest is still there. Sorry about going off topic guys, just wanted to address that!
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Post by neverduplicated on Jan 7, 2010 13:05:42 GMT -5
Oh my god, Madonna is the highest selling female artist of all time and not Mariah! WTF? I guess I'm going to have to become a Madonna fan now cause Mariah's clearly not the best.
Don't we have something better to discuss?
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 7, 2010 13:05:59 GMT -5
Ummmmm Mariah Carey has sold over 230 Million records & Madonna has not sold 300 Million or no where near
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jan 7, 2010 13:07:24 GMT -5
This is why it's pointless to discuss WW figures, because everybody and they daddy have a number.
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Post by Nevermind on Jan 7, 2010 13:10:43 GMT -5
The real best-selling female artist of artist of all time: Sorry y'all!
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 7, 2010 13:11:36 GMT -5
Mariah Carey is ACTUALLY The Biggest Selling Female Artist of All Time, they have to be updating her numbers in order to all of a sudden give her the title...Before Mariah was being called the biggest selling female artist, Celine Dion was. They haven't called Madonna the biggest selling since the 90's.
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 7, 2010 13:12:46 GMT -5
In All Honesty, I think its safe to say Mariah is the Biggest Selling Female Artist of all time, Because Unlike The Others....She actually Have something to show for it...they dont
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2010 13:18:28 GMT -5
This is why it's pointless to discuss WW figures, because everybody and they daddy have a number. And I'd imagine none of them are anywhere near correct.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 7, 2010 13:21:45 GMT -5
Mimi's album sales total around 145m or so (Mimi Daily has the most accurate, plausible figures I've seen; they're actually not overestimated and ridiculous like some have posted). Throw in singles and videos, and her overall tally is around 180m or so (note that even her press releases say "more than 175m albums, singles and videos." So, she clearly does not have the highest total among females. But, so wha- it's still a fantastic total.
And what exactly do you mean, memoirs? Mimi's not a largely acclaimed artist and has not been regarded as one of the most important acts in music history. So what does she have to show for a false claim as the biggest-selling female act? Not following lol That doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy her for what she does- she has built her career on light, inconsequential, fun music crafted for as much mass consumption as possible, not worrying about the artistic part of it. She's shown how important the charts are to her- it's her legacy, what she and some mega-fans have placed the most emphasis on.
BTW- is the "Angels Cry" remix the same music, just with some new lyrics and Ne-Yo's added vocals? Then it is more of a "features" release, rather than a "remix" album, as noted ealier by one of the producers.
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 7, 2010 13:22:13 GMT -5
MARIAH CAREY
World Music Awards (14 Awards) 1995- Best Selling American Recording Artist 1995- Best Selling World Recording Artist 1995- Best Selling Pop Artist 1996- World's Best Selling Female R&B Artist 1996- World's Best Selling Overall Female Recording Artist 1996- World's Best Selling Female Pop Artist 1996- Best Selling American Female Recording Artist 1998- World's Best Selling Female Soul/R&B Artist 1998- Legend Award - World's Best Selling Artist of the 90's 2000- World's Best Selling R&B Female 2000- World's Best Selling Female Artist of the Millennium 2003- Chopard Diamond Award 2005- World's Best Selling Pop Female Artist 2005- World's Best Selling R&B Artist
CELINE DION
World Music Awards (11 Awards) 1992- World’s Best Selling Canadian Female Recording Artist of the Year 1995- World’s Best Selling Canadian Female Recording Artist of the Year 1996- World’s Best Selling Canadian Recording Artist of the Year 1997- World's Overall Best Selling Recording Artist of the Year 1997- World's Best Selling Pop Artist of the Year 1997- World’s Best Selling Canadian 1998- World’s Best Selling Canadian Recording Artist of the Year 1999- World’s Best Selling Female Pop Artist 2000- World's Best-Selling Female Pop Artist 2004- Chopard Diamond Award 2008- World's Best Selling Canadian Recording Artist
MADONNA
World Music Awards (3 Awards) 2006- World's Best Pop Artist 2006- Best Selling American Artist 2008- Best Selling American Artist
Don't U Find It Weird How Madonna Only Have 3 World Music Awards For Sales?? This Leads Back To What Critics Always Bring Up With Madonna....She's Overshipped
One of her albums...i think its Evita, Only Sold 2 Million In The U.S, Yet Its Certified 5x's Platinum.
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 7, 2010 13:25:17 GMT -5
Mimi's album sales total around 145m or so (Mimi Daily has the most accurate, plausible figures I've seen; they're actually not overestimated and ridiculous like some have posted). Throw in singles and videos, and her overall tally is around 180m or so (note that even her press releases say "more than 175m albums, singles and videos." So, she clearly does not have the highest total among females. But, so wha- it's still a fantastic total. And what exactly do you mean, memoirs? Mimi's not a largely acclaimed artist and has not been regarded as one of the most important acts in music history. So what does she have to show for a false claim as the biggest-selling female act? Not following lol That doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy her for what she does- she has built her career on light, inconsequential, fun music crafted for as much mass consumption as possible, not worrying about the artistic part of it. She's shown how important the charts are to her- it's her legacy, what she and some mega-fans have placed the most emphasis on. BTW- is the "Angels Cry" remix the same music, just with some new lyrics and Ne-Yo's added vocals? Then it is more of a "features" release, rather than a "remix" album, as noted ealier by one of the producers. I've Talked To Lynn Who is over MariahDailyJournal, and she said herself albums from 1990-Mariah Carey To 1999-Rainbow have not been updated, and currently are bing updated and when she get the finally numbers they will be posted.
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Post by QAF on Jan 7, 2010 13:27:28 GMT -5
I thought Barbra Streisand still held the title for biggest selling female artist. Is that not so?
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Post by neverduplicated on Jan 7, 2010 13:27:40 GMT -5
I knew HG would jump in here any minute to discuss how inconsequential Mariah is in music history. Beating a dead horse, much? Yes, Mariah makes music for the masses. But to suggest that she doesn't worry about the artistic part is just ludicrous to me. Mariah is a musical artist, always has been, always will be.
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Post by fhscott100 on Jan 7, 2010 13:30:17 GMT -5
MARIAH CAREY World Music Awards (14 Awards) 1995- Best Selling American Recording Artist 1995- Best Selling World Recording Artist 1995- Best Selling Pop Artist 1996- World's Best Selling Female R&B Artist 1996- World's Best Selling Overall Female Recording Artist 1996- World's Best Selling Female Pop Artist 1996- Best Selling American Female Recording Artist 1998- World's Best Selling Female Soul/R&B Artist 1998- Legend Award - World's Best Selling Artist of the 90's 2000- World's Best Selling R&B Female 2000- World's Best Selling Female Artist of the Millennium 2003- Chopard Diamond Award 2005- World's Best Selling Pop Female Artist 2005- World's Best Selling R&B Artist CELINE DION World Music Awards (11 Awards) 1992- World’s Best Selling Canadian Female Recording Artist of the Year 1995- World’s Best Selling Canadian Female Recording Artist of the Year 1996- World’s Best Selling Canadian Recording Artist of the Year 1997- World's Overall Best Selling Recording Artist of the Year 1997- World's Best Selling Pop Artist of the Year 1997- World’s Best Selling Canadian 1998- World’s Best Selling Canadian Recording Artist of the Year 1999- World’s Best Selling Female Pop Artist 2000- World's Best-Selling Female Pop Artist 2004- Chopard Diamond Award 2008- World's Best Selling Canadian Recording Artist MADONNA World Music Awards (3 Awards) 2006- World's Best Pop Artist 2006- Best Selling American Artist 2008- Best Selling American Artist Don't U Find It Weird How Madonna Only Have 3 World Music Awards For Sales?? This Leads Back To What Critics Always Bring Up With Madonna....She's Overshipped One of her albums...i think its Evita, Only Sold 2 Million In The U.S, Yet Its Certified 5x's Platinum. No i don't find it weird at all because the World Music Awards rewards the artists who agree to show up at their event. It doesn't mean anything.
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 7, 2010 13:31:10 GMT -5
MARIAH CAREY 1990- Mariah Carey- 9x's Platinum 1991- Emotions- 4x's Platinum 1992- MTV Unplugged- 3x's Platinum 1993- Music Box- 10x's Platinum 1994- Merry Christmas- 5x's Platinum 1995- Daydream- 10x's Platinum 1997- Butterfly- 5x's Platinum 1998- #1's- 5x's Platinum 1999- Rainbow- 3x's Platinum 2001- Glitter- 1x Platinum 2001- Greatest Hits- 1x Platinum 2002- Charmbracelet- 1x Platinum 2005- The Emancipation of Mimi- 6x's Platinum 2008- E=MC2- 1x Platinum
TOTAL- 64 Million RIAA Certified Albums
MADONNA 1983- Madonna- 5× Platinum 1984- Like a Virgin- 10x's Platinum 1986- True Blue- 7x's Platinum 1987- Who's That Girl- 1x Platinum 1987- You Can Dance- 1x Platinum 1989- Like a Prayer- 4x's Platinum 1990- The Immaculate Collection- 10x's Platinum 1990- I'm Breathless- 2x's Platinum 1992- Erotica- 2x's Platinum 1994- Bedtime Stories- 3x's Platinum 1995- Something to Remember- 3x's Platinum 1996- Evita- 5x's Platinum 1998- Ray of Light- 4x's Platinum 2000- Music- 3x's Platinum 2001- GHV2- 1x Platinum 2003- American Life- 1x Platinum 2005- Confessions on a Dance Floor- 1x Platinum 2008- Hard Candy- Gold 2009- Celebration- Gold
TOTAL- 64 Million RIAA Certified Albums
Even though the RIAA list is different...i decided to calculate each artist album's certification on my own....and Madonna has finally tied Mariah!
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 7, 2010 13:33:15 GMT -5
MARIAH CAREY World Music Awards (14 Awards) 1995- Best Selling American Recording Artist 1995- Best Selling World Recording Artist 1995- Best Selling Pop Artist 1996- World's Best Selling Female R&B Artist 1996- World's Best Selling Overall Female Recording Artist 1996- World's Best Selling Female Pop Artist 1996- Best Selling American Female Recording Artist 1998- World's Best Selling Female Soul/R&B Artist 1998- Legend Award - World's Best Selling Artist of the 90's 2000- World's Best Selling R&B Female 2000- World's Best Selling Female Artist of the Millennium 2003- Chopard Diamond Award 2005- World's Best Selling Pop Female Artist 2005- World's Best Selling R&B Artist CELINE DION World Music Awards (11 Awards) 1992- World’s Best Selling Canadian Female Recording Artist of the Year 1995- World’s Best Selling Canadian Female Recording Artist of the Year 1996- World’s Best Selling Canadian Recording Artist of the Year 1997- World's Overall Best Selling Recording Artist of the Year 1997- World's Best Selling Pop Artist of the Year 1997- World’s Best Selling Canadian 1998- World’s Best Selling Canadian Recording Artist of the Year 1999- World’s Best Selling Female Pop Artist 2000- World's Best-Selling Female Pop Artist 2004- Chopard Diamond Award 2008- World's Best Selling Canadian Recording Artist MADONNA World Music Awards (3 Awards) 2006- World's Best Pop Artist 2006- Best Selling American Artist 2008- Best Selling American Artist Don't U Find It Weird How Madonna Only Have 3 World Music Awards For Sales?? This Leads Back To What Critics Always Bring Up With Madonna....She's Overshipped One of her albums...i think its Evita, Only Sold 2 Million In The U.S, Yet Its Certified 5x's Platinum. No i don't find it weird at all because the World Music Awards rewards the artists who agree to show up at their event. It doesn't mean anything. You could have came up with a better excuse than this....because Mariah won 6 World Music Awards before she finally showed up at a World Music Award Show. If Madonna Ever had the Biggest Selling album for an overall recording artist one year, whether or not she showed up....she would have still won the award, as did Mariah
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 7, 2010 13:34:26 GMT -5
^Mimi's totals are not going to SWELL with an update. All of those totals are in the range of the actuals/estimates. Maybe 150m albums or so. I'd think that whoever's feeding/writing the info for her press releases would have a good idea of her sales, no?
Critics said Madonna was overshipped? There's been talk about one female being overshipped, but not Madonna. Her worldwide albums total is between 190m-200m; I posted album-by-album figures/estimates in the Madonna thread, if you're interested. Between the USA and Europe alone, her total is around 140 million-145 million. WB has reported 75m albums sold in the USA (in the recent Billboard artivcle dedicated to Madge), so some albums are due for re-certs (not that it's going to happen, though).
The World Music Awards are not the most respectable program, btw, lol It's more of a PR thing than anything else, a toot-one-'s-horn deal. Plus, it didn't even start until 1989.
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 7, 2010 13:34:53 GMT -5
I Also wanna track back to the RIAA deal....Why does Mariah have fewer albums than Madonna, Yet Madonna just tied Mariah Carey in RIAA Certifications?
Not to mention Madonna released her first album 7 years before Mariah's Debut
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jan 7, 2010 13:35:16 GMT -5
Oh my goodness. This thread. Part 11 just might be the best part yet.
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 7, 2010 13:39:06 GMT -5
LMAO@ Madonna fans now trying to downplay the World Music Awards and their creditability.....SHAME
If only madonna had more World Music Awards this wouldn't be the case...
If Madonna had indeed sold more albums worldwide than Mariah...She would have a Chopard Diamond Award to show for it, And instead of the press calling Mariah Carey The Biggest Selling Female Artist of All Time, They would call Madonna this.
So Please...I dont Have time for ignorance...or flipping and turning the reality so that it works within ur favor
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 7, 2010 13:43:07 GMT -5
Why are Madonna, Whitney Houston Mimi, etc. right up there with Barbra Streisand, who released her first album in the 60s and has loads more albums than any of them? Exactly.
Like I said, Madonna's at 75m albums in the USA, per the recent Billboard article. She is certified for 64 million.
Why can't you just leave it as Mimi is one of the best-selling female acts, and not try to erroneously show that she is *the* biggest selling? I know you're a newbie and all, but, come now. :)
I also have no patience for ignorance, which you're showing quite a bit of, so good day and continue posting falsities all you like, in your efforts to downplay another act's success (which probably stems from something that has nothing to do with the charts and sales- happens often with mega-lambs).
Onto Angels...
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Post by The Art of Letting Go on Jan 7, 2010 13:43:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry...I have the upmost respect for Madonna as an artist, but her fans are like disobedient 3 year olds that are finally cutting teeth.
Just ridiculous, and just like Madonna, start controversy for attention (PRESS)
I Also always see HG always trying to downplay Mariah...but take a huge look at reality....Why is it that the music Madonna is doing as we speak "Hard Candy", "Celebration", and now the new album...Why is she following a trend that Mariah Carey started in 1995 with "Fantasy" & It's Remix with "O.D.B"?
What is Madonna going to do next....incorporate "MELISMA" into her supposed "Singing Technique" (Dare I Say) LMAO!!
Ur disrespect for Mariah ends here, cause this here lamb aint taking it!
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