Adam Lambert - Whataya Want From Me

[Kworb]

Dec 10, 2009 17:12:46 GMT -5 Rumors said:

I just watched the view performance and I guess I have to be honest with myself... I just don't feel this guy's music. He hit all the right notes and sang the song very well but it was BORING. Why? Because the song is average at best and BORING. Lord, no wonder Pink didn't record it.

I guess it's just to be expected that there are huge fans in each artists threads but what some people call hits around here never ceases to amaze me. This may become a hit because the label needs this to be a hit but the poor downloads again on his third release has to tell someone something. That the material to date hasn't been strong enough. I'm strickly talking about the songs. People may think he'll be a male Lady Gaga but he's so far from that. The difference...she came out firing with the songs and has produces one super catchy song after another. I haven't listened to Adam's album but the three songs I've heard so far (including Miracles) have really just been average songs. That's what he problem is boiling down to. Again, this first album will sell well and I do believe that the diehard fans will stick around for a few albums but the point line is this guy needs better songs.

The album has more risky and exciting songs, but that stuff wouldn't fare well on CHR.

[Rumors]

Dec 10, 2009 17:15:29 GMT -5 Kworb said:

The album has more risky and exciting songs, but that stuff wouldn't fare well on CHR.

Then Adam has a problem.

[strawberries]

Rumor, I see what you're saying, I basically ignored this song on his album till I heard him singing it. Imo that is what is saving this song plus the massive RCA push. I guess we all have our definition of what a hit is but looking at the trajectory, it's looking to be one. Is it the best song no but at this rate he needs a hit like....now and its safe for radio.

[brb]

Dec 10, 2009 17:12:46 GMT -5 Rumors said:

I just watched the view performance and I guess I have to be honest with myself... I just don't feel this guy's music. He hit all the right notes and sang the song very well but it was BORING. Why? Because the song is average at best and BORING. Lord, no wonder Pink didn't record it.

Please... and I suppose Kris' song isn't boring right? WWFM is not boring at all if you ask me..

[brb]

Dec 10, 2009 17:31:26 GMT -5 Rumors said:

Dec 10, 2009 17:15:29 GMT -5 Kworb said:

The album has more risky and exciting songs, but that stuff wouldn't fare well on CHR.

Then Adam has a problem.

Don't worry, he has other songs that would work well in CHR, like Sleepwalker and IIHY.

[poptartz]

Dec 10, 2009 17:04:07 GMT -5 Kworb said:

FYE is at #100 so at least one song is back into the top 100.

WWFM is at #103.

The album has gotten a nice bump on iTunes too, it was in the 100s prior to The View airing, and now it's at #64.

I think if WWFM does well on CHR, then Adam might be able to follow it up with a more offbeat song, like "Music Again." Sometimes songs that are ~different break through, look at "Fireflies" by Owl City. That's not a typical pop hit. It'll be interesting to see how things play out for Adam.

[blue in moonlight]

Dec 10, 2009 17:12:46 GMT -5 Rumors said:

I just watched the view performance and I guess I have to be honest with myself... I just don't feel this guy's music. He hit all the right notes and sang the song very well but it was BORING. Why? Because the song is average at best and BORING. Lord, no wonder Pink didn't record it.

I guess it's just to be expected that there are huge fans in each artists threads but what some people call hits around here never ceases to amaze me. This may become a hit because the label needs this to be a hit but the poor downloads again on his third release has to tell someone something. That the material to date hasn't been strong enough. I'm strickly talking about the songs. People may think he'll be a male Lady Gaga but he's so far from that. The difference...she came out firing with the songs and has produced one super catchy song after another. I haven't listened to Adam's album but the three songs I've heard so far (including Miracles) have really just been average songs. That's what his problem boils down to. Again, this first album will sell well and I do believe that the diehard fans will stick around for a few albums but the bottom line is this guy needs better songs. You can talk about him being gay all you want but whether he can stick around past a few albums will depend on the SONGS!

You should probably reserve judgment until you actually listen to the album. Although this may sound a wee bit safe and generic, I think this is shaping up to be a decent hit for him exactly for that reason. It's a terrific vocal that's easily identifiable which is what he needs after the AMA mess. The downloads are understandably slow because few people outside of boards like these even know he has another single out so quick after the AMA performance. Downloads are picking up now that the song is being promoted and gaining at radio. I'm confident that this would have likely been a single on Funhouse had P!nk actually included it on the album. Still, it's honestly one of the most generic tracks on the album along with TFM and Aftermath. He should follow this with IIHY and Sleepwalker which are probably the two most infectious, CHR-ready tracks he has. If this does well, then those should do even better.

TFM was the typical action soundtrack power-ballad schlock. FYE is okay but probably one of the weakest tracks on the album. However, I can understand why his label thought it might be smart to release a riskier track at the outset to let the audience know they are not getting another boring, stock AI vocalist. It just backfired.

Dec 10, 2009 17:39:27 GMT -5 poptartz said:

I think if WWFM does well on CHR, then Adam might be able to follow it up with a more offbeat song, like "Music Again." Sometimes songs that are ~different break through, look at "Fireflies" by Owl City. That's not a typical pop hit. It'll be interesting to see how things play out for Adam.

I would be fine with one of the more intriguing tracks like "Music Again," "Fever" or "Pick U Up" becoming singles but I think either of those should be a later single. Even though I love them, any one of them could easily flop hard and kill the era.

[street]

WWFM looks like a hit and should help album sales after the holidays. However,WWFM has to be a big hit before RCA releases what will be the third single from the album. Also the album has to show some legs. It's way to early to know what will happen.

If you include TfM, RCA will actually be releasing a fourth single from the album. And the first two singles have flopped.

[brb]

Dec 10, 2009 17:39:52 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

Dec 10, 2009 17:39:27 GMT -5 poptartz said:

I think if WWFM does well on CHR, then Adam might be able to follow it up with a more offbeat song, like "Music Again." Sometimes songs that are ~different break through, look at "Fireflies" by Owl City. That's not a typical pop hit. It'll be interesting to see how things play out for Adam.

I would be fine with one of the more intriguing tracks like "Music Again," "Fever" or "Pick U Up" becoming singles but I think either of those should be a later single. Even though I love them, any one of them could easily flop hard and kill the era.

I agree, Adam should release one of the more safer songs next, he already has one failed single and he doesn't need another. One of the more intriguing tracks should be released only when he has 3 hit singles imo.

[P!nkch TheO™]

#103 on itunes!

[poptartz]

Dec 10, 2009 17:55:39 GMT -5 street said:

WWFM looks like a hit and should help album sales after the holidays. However,WWFM has to be a big hit before RCA releases what will be the third single from the album.

No sh!t. We're just speculating here.

If you include TfM, RCA will actually be releasing a fourth single from the album. And the first two singles have flopped.

Not sure why TFM would be included since it never had a radio adds date.

[Sarah.]

Dec 10, 2009 18:04:09 GMT -5 P!nkch TheO™ said:

#103 on itunes!

Huge jump today! The View is really helping! :]

I hope it gets to around Top 50 after Conan and the SYTYCD Finale!

[street]

TfM was released as a single on iTunes. So it kind of counts in a way. I had forgotten about it though.

[caitlin1974]

TFM was released to radio, and in a way, and based on what a couple of djs said, I think it hurt how Program Directors viewed Adam and FYE. RCA felt that by doing the song that it would add to the hype surrounding Adam, but for some PDs, it helped them see through the hype. Adam constantly saying that TFM didn't reflect the songs that are on his album didn't mean anything.

[Rumors]

Dec 10, 2009 17:33:54 GMT -5 brb said:

Please... and I suppose Kris' song isn't boring right? WWFM is not boring at all if you ask me..

LOL! I think you have me confused with a Kris Allen fan. Check out how long I've been on these boards. Way before anyone ever heard of AI (or almost as long). LOL!

And yes, the song is boring and pretty generic. Or let me say that it's just really a passable song. Not the type of song that's going to turn Adam into an international star which is what the ultimate goal is here folks. Let's at least be honest about that. This song will be forgotten by next year.

[Kworb]

TFM was only added by a few AC stations, it was never pushed to radio, especially not Top 40 radio. But it's true that there was way too much hype built around that song. In the end it wasn't a good song at all and it was barely used to promote the movie. Still I don't think it hurt his chances on radio.

When FYE came out it premiered on like half the CHR panel. Radio was very much waiting for Adam. The problem was FYE itself. The song isn't that good, and the lyrics aren't that family friendly. RCA didn't seem that happy with it either, unsure of how to push the song. Then came WWFM, and miraculously radio was able to forgive Adam/RCA for the FYE debacle, giving WWFM a pretty warm reception. But I think that without FYE, WWFM would've had an easier time getting new stations on board, and Adam could have lived up to his hype a little more.

[Rumors]

Dec 10, 2009 17:39:52 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

You should probably reserve judgment until you actually listen to the album.

I'm like most people and I make an opinion on what I hear. I've only heard Lady Gaga's singles but I can tell by them that she has something to offer. Adam's not presented me with anything that is going to make me seek out more of his music. That's what I'm trying to say. Gotta get beyond the AI base to make it big.

[blue in moonlight]

Dec 10, 2009 19:35:20 GMT -5 Rumors said:

Dec 10, 2009 17:39:52 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

You should probably reserve judgment until you actually listen to the album.

I'm like most people and I make an opinion on what I hear. I've only heard Lady Gaga's singles but I can tell by them that she has something to offer. Adam's not presented me with anything that is going to make me seek out more of his music. That's what I'm trying to say. Gotta get beyond the AI base to make it big.

Okay, I do understand what you are saying. I think that many people will like WWFM and it should be a decent hit. I don't think this track is boring. Honestly, we have CHR hits right now that are much more mundane by less capable vocalist to boot. But I do consider this the safest possible single choice after FYE was DOA.

I also think the GaGa comparisons are waaaay overstated. I find them both refreshing compared to the current crop of mainstream pop stars and there are some similarities in terms of their flair for the performance, musical influences, etc. But I think their music sounds vastly different and their acts will be totally different. Lambert is decidedly more of pop/rock and electropop mix and I think his ballads are his strength. I find the opposite is true with GaGa. She makes infectious electropop tracks.

[Stephen]

Dec 10, 2009 20:31:22 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

Dec 10, 2009 19:35:20 GMT -5 Rumors said:

I'm like most people and I make an opinion on what I hear. I've only heard Lady Gaga's singles but I can tell by them that she has something to offer. Adam's not presented me with anything that is going to make me seek out more of his music. That's what I'm trying to say. Gotta get beyond the AI base to make it big.

Okay, I do understand what you are saying. I think that many people will like WWFM and it should be a decent hit. I don't think this track is boring. Honestly, we have CHR hits right now that are much more mundane by less capable vocalist to boot. But I do consider this the safest possible single choice after FYE was DOA.

I also think the GaGa comparisons are waaaay overstated. I find them both refreshing compared to the current crop of mainstream pop stars and there are some similarities in terms of their flair for the performance, musical influences, etc. But I think their music sounds vastly different and their acts will be totally different. Lambert is decidedly more of pop/rock and electropop mix and I think his ballads are his strength. I find the opposite is true with GaGa. She makes as she makes infectious electropop tracks.

Agreed. Adam's strength (unfortunately for him it seems) lies in his vocal delivery and emotional connection to slower cuts. His takes on uptempo songs come across as campy and way overcooked. That's why this song works so well. It fits his life perfectly at this point in time, his vocals are spot-on, and he sells the point of the song very easily.

[lefil001]

Dec 10, 2009 19:35:20 GMT -5 Rumors said:

Dec 10, 2009 17:39:52 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

You should probably reserve judgment until you actually listen to the album.

I'm like most people and I make an opinion on what I hear. I've only heard Lady Gaga's singles but I can tell by them that she has something to offer. Adam's not presented me with anything that is going to make me seek out more of his music. That's what I'm trying to say. Gotta get beyond the AI base to make it big.

Didn't you say you thought Gaga was a joke at first

[Rumors]

Dec 10, 2009 20:35:26 GMT -5 lefil001 said:

Didn't you say you thought Gaga was a joke at first [/quote]

No need to roll your eyes. We are all entitled to our opinions. And yes, I said that. I had read on these boards last year about and American girl being successful in Europe with a dance album. Read some reviews from poster here that it was a really good album. Read that she was friends with Perez Hilton and then saw some picture of Lady Gaga in some wild costume of hers. I am NOT a fan of Perez Hilton and I really question anyone that is friends with this guy. So yeah, before I ever heard one note from Lady Gaga I was kind of thinking her music isn't for me and probably won't go over in the US. Then I heard her first single. Not too bad. Second single...liked it even better. Bad Romance...love it and I think I'll buy the album the next time I'm in Walmart. So that's how you hit people over the head and get them interested....IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SONGS (and being able to perform them live if you want to continue making a career for yourself.) Adam's got the singing part down. It's the songs and being able to connect with people that I'm so-so on with him. Time will tell. I'm just one music fan. But back to this particular song and The View performance. I was bored watching it. Bottom line for me on this song.

[Rumors]

Dec 10, 2009 20:31:22 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

Okay, I do understand what you are saying. I think that many people will like WWFM and it should be a decent hit. I don't think this track is boring. Honestly, we have CHR hits right now that are much more mundane by less capable vocalist to boot. But I do consider this the safest possible single choice after FYE was DOA.

I also think the GaGa comparisons are waaaay overstated. I find them both refreshing compared to the current crop of mainstream pop stars and there are some similarities in terms of their flair for the performance, musical influences, etc. But I think their music sounds vastly different and their acts will be totally different. Lambert is decidedly more of pop/rock and electropop mix and I think his ballads are his strength. I find the opposite is true with GaGa. She makes infectious electropop tracks.

Interesting points. I don't really see that much in common between Adam and Lady Gaga either but it SEEMED the initial anticipation on this site was that he would be very similiar to her. I could be wrong but that's just what I was gathering.

Adam's off to a good start. I'm interested in seeing what happens next even if I don't like his music (so far).

[P!nkch TheO™]

could you guys please move conversations unrelated to the song on adam's album thread? Thanks :)

back to the song, #3 on z100's 9@9 tonight

[Mike]

I agree with Rumors. The song is average at best. You can't really do much with it live... I was asleep before the first chorus even hit.

[blue in moonlight]

Dec 10, 2009 21:39:15 GMT -5 Rumors said:

Dec 10, 2009 20:31:22 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

Okay, I do understand what you are saying. I think that many people will like WWFM and it should be a decent hit. I don't think this track is boring. Honestly, we have CHR hits right now that are much more mundane by less capable vocalist to boot. But I do consider this the safest possible single choice after FYE was DOA.

I also think the GaGa comparisons are waaaay overstated. I find them both refreshing compared to the current crop of mainstream pop stars and there are some similarities in terms of their flair for the performance, musical influences, etc. But I think their music sounds vastly different and their acts will be totally different. Lambert is decidedly more of pop/rock and electropop mix and I think his ballads are his strength. I find the opposite is true with GaGa. She makes infectious electropop tracks.

Interesting points. I don't really see that much in common between Adam and Lady Gaga either but it SEEMED the initial anticipation on this site was that he would be very similiar to her. I could be wrong but that's just what I was gathering.

Well, the comparisons are logical since they're both theatrical and cite many of the same musical influences. They just have different end results.

[bestbuy99]

Dec 10, 2009 21:59:34 GMT -5 P!nkch TheO™ said:

could you guys please move conversations unrelated to the song on adam's album thread? Thanks :)

back to the song, #3 on z100's 9@9 tonight

I'm curious, why isn't the single selling well compared to the other songs in similar positions in various charts? Does it need a new cover? Maybe annoucement that it's available on Itunes?

Right now it's only the version off the album that people are buying.

On other note, I do find this song a bit of an acquired taste for me. But I'm more of an pop/r&b/dance person.

[moodswings]

Dec 10, 2009 21:59:34 GMT -5 P!nkch TheO™ said:

could you guys please move conversations unrelated to the song on adam's album thread? Thanks :)

back to the song, #3 on z100's 9@9 tonight

YAY!! Thanks, Theo, I've missed the countdowns the past few nights.

Last realtime update I checked was +49

[El Chiko Kevo]

K this song is ACTUALLY amazing!

[brb]

Dec 11, 2009 0:43:26 GMT -5 bestbuy99 said:

I'm curious, why isn't the single selling well compared to the other songs in similar positions in various charts? Does it need a new cover? Maybe annoucement that it's available on Itunes?

It was only played in about 42 stations yesterday, there was no ad or announement in Itunes yet, and I personally think it is doing okay in Itunes considering that and considering there are songs in the top 40 like Creed's Rain and We The Kings' Heaven Can Wait that have even lower ranks in Itunes today.

I expect it to finally break the Itunes top 100 after the SYTYCD performance and if the song keeps this up (I think it'll get another +40 something update today) and OHP spins it this weekend, it might get to the top 40 and be played in more stations before the freeze starts.

[Libra]

Dec 10, 2009 17:39:52 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

Still, it's honestly one of the most generic tracks on the album...

I have to agree...compared to most of the rest of the album, it feels like it was designed as a cookie-cutter attempt at a hit. It probably would've fit better not placed right after FYE. Speaking of which, FYE was stuck in my head yesterday, oddly enough.

I disagree about Aftermath being generic though...I appreciate it for its "coming out" theme.

Dec 10, 2009 17:39:52 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

He should follow this with IIHY and Sleepwalker which are probably the two most infectious, CHR-ready tracks he has. If this does well, then those should do even better.

I think something should come between this and Sleepwalker. Sleepwalker being next would mean following a Pink-written song with a Ryan Tedder production, and I'm not sure a big-name-associated pattern should be forming. I can't really think of what should come next at the moment, though.

Dec 10, 2009 17:39:52 GMT -5 blue in moonlight said:

I would be fine with one of the more intriguing tracks like "Music Again,"...

NO! That song is so dumb! He starts off with being so crazy over this guy, and yet he follows it up with "Oh, you made me want to listen to music again..."?

I kind of get where he's coming from, but lyrically it just sounds so dumb...