Shinedown - "What A Shame"

[PHOBES]

BOOKED: Shinedown - Cat Solen, director

* artist: Shinedown
* song: "What A Shame"
* label: Atlantic
* director(s): Cat Solen
* production co: Partizan

And this is where I continue my sentiment that every single this era has been better than the one before it. If they release "Breaking Inside" after this, then the circle will be complete.

That said, I may like this song more than "Breaking Inside," tough call. I'm still kinda pissed that BI won the fan vote for the 3rd single and they went with "Sound of Madness" instead.

[Cody]

AMAZING.

[metalfan87]

this could be the 5th single. Any chance they'll release two more?

[Cody]

I think that's gonna depend on how If You Only Knew ends up finishing on Pop, Active, and Alt, and also on how What A Shame does on the rock formats

[jvandyck87]

I still think "Call Me" should close out the era. It doesn't sound necessarily like a big hit, but it's one of those songs that if it catches on will go down as legendary for how beautiful it is. Daughtry's "Call Your Name" is another one. It seems like right now America is against super epic, emotionally charged songs. And I hate that. I blame September 11th. Seriously.

[Cody]

I disagree, if they end with "Call Me" that is going to have a negative effect on the next album from a rock standpoint. They need to finish with a rock single, thats how Nickelback always ends their eras and the rock fans still maintain plenty of interest in their work

[aTunes]

This will be their 3rd power ballad release out of their last 4 singles. That's too many for rock radio, imo. I don't think a band has ever had that many power ballads so close and all of them be big at rock. They should've went with a heavier one before trying this.

[Jorge_Str [Som3on3]]

so is this confirmed as their 5th single from "The Sound of Madness"?

[metalfan87]

it appears to be.

[Cody]

yeah im thinking it is.

I dont really classify this in the same group as SC and IYOK. IYOK isnt even what I'd call a "power-ballad" which is why I think it's so surprising to me, along with everyone else that it's doing so well on Active, as it's such a Hot AC leaning song. I think WAS is just a slow but heavy dark rock song. There is heavy doubt in my mind that this will be pushed to pop

[lockebox]

I would have gone with "Breaking Inside", this is pretty solid nonetheless. I expect their top 5 record on Active to be maintained.

[PHOBES]

Dec 2, 2009 18:51:18 GMT -5 Cody said:

I dont really classify this in the same group as SC and IYOK. IYOK isnt even what I'd call a "power-ballad" which is why I think it's so surprising to me, along with everyone else that it's doing so well on Active, as it's such a Hot AC leaning song. I think WAS is just a slow but heavy dark rock song. There is heavy doubt in my mind that this will be pushed to pop

I believe that's basically it. "Second Chance" is the quintessential power ballad, "If You Only Knew" is basically a pop/HAC song. This, is much, much darker. And it's in the vein of "45," which is definitely a plus. Whereas SC and IYOK are upbeat, light and positive, this one is very minor and morose.

[pen]

I like it. I like it a lot.

[American Idiot]

This is my least favorite song left on the album that weren't singles. I was hoping they'd go with a harder song as their probable last one like "Cyanide Sweet Tooth Suicide" or "Cry For Help" since the pattern was going hard/soft/hard/soft thus far, but I guess like "Breaking Inside," this could be an in-betweener.

[pen]

To be fair, "What A Shame" is harder than "If You Only Knew" and also is more serious in tone.

[(Artie Ziff)]

They might be playing themselves out of the rock market if they can't finish the record cycle with Grin or Tooth.

[pen]

Dec 5, 2009 18:17:52 GMT -5 (Artie Ziff) said:

They might be playing themselves out of the rock market if they can't finish the record cycle with Grin or Tooth.

I really doubt it. Once again, "What A Shame" rocks way too hard to have crossover appeal and it has very serious subject matter. "Grin" and "Tooth" are not necessary to close out the era.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

Dec 5, 2009 18:17:52 GMT -5 (Artie Ziff) said:

They might be playing themselves out of the rock market if they can't finish the record cycle with Grin or Tooth.

Honestly its remarks like this that make me think you are doing your posting from a padded cell. You don't seem to actually have a clue on what's going on in rock music....unless your billboard magazine tells you.....or the dog next door is whispering to you.

Shinedown.....top rock band of 2009....but probably playing themselves out of rock market? Riiiiiigggghhhttt.

[(Artie Ziff)]

Well, I did say might as you quoted, not probably as you said. Reading helps. And What A Shame may have the slowest BPM of any track on the CD. I'm not sure how this rocks any more than the tracks I quoted. I am almost positive they will finish the cycle with one of the rockers I mentioned. Then kick off with a heavy lead single in a couple of years.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

Hiding behind MIGHT is weak. You try to double talk out of everything. There is NO way that just because they dont do what you think they are shooting themselves at rock. Try standing behind the things you say. Even saying MIGHT is stupid after the album they just had at rock. I honestly can't stand 95 percent of what you say, especially claiming to be someone who is in the industry. You are hopelessly clueless to what YOU think is good, not what might appeal to a larger audience. On what this album alone accomplished in rock radio, to say ANYTHING they do is a misstep is completely uneducated. They are going to have to do much more than release a wrong 5th or 6th single to lose credibility. I love when you post something and then sit on the fence about it. You are such a waffle.

Also I read quite well, especially when it's between the lines and especially when it comes from you.

You couldn't win a debate if I spotted you 99 percent of your own argument. You would find a way to backtrack it and lose all credibility.

And lastly, even though I didn't say it rocks and I know you are talking about pen's response.....BPM's is NOT the only factor on a song "rocking". I could site many examples, but one that always come's to mind is the Cranberries song Zombie.

[(Artie Ziff)]

Wow dude needs a Xanax. Too many ballads MIGHT (not probably) hurt their airplay figures in the future. Read carefully. Relax. Way too much was read into that. But they will finish with Tooth or Grin to make it all right. I'm confident.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

They don't need to finish it with ANYTHING....including What A Shame to already have a highly anticipated new album at rock. They don't have to release Tooth or Grin for any reason whatsoever. If they do, great. If they don't, it will not hurt them going forward.

[Cody]

Dec 6, 2009 19:58:02 GMT -5 My Life Is A Stereo said:

They don't need to finish it with ANYTHING....including What A Shame to already have a highly anticipated new album at rock. They don't have to release Tooth or Grin for any reason whatsoever. If they do, great. If they don't, it will not hurt them going forward.

well put.

[Ron57]

Not goona lie. This is the one track on the album that I'm not a huge fan of. I love the whole album of course, but this one never really clicked with me. Who knows maybe it will later, but I don't see this being a huge hit.

[My Life Is A Stereo]

Dec 6, 2009 22:43:20 GMT -5 Ron57 said:

Not goona lie. This is the one track on the album that I'm not a huge fan of. I love the whole album of course, but this one never really clicked with me. Who knows maybe it will later, but I don't see this being a huge hit.

I could see it cracking top 20 which really, is pretty good for a single this deep into an album. The song is decent enough.

[pen]

Dec 6, 2009 19:34:22 GMT -5 (Artie Ziff) said:

Well, I did say might as you quoted, not probably as you said. Reading helps. And What A Shame may have the slowest BPM of any track on the CD. I'm not sure how this rocks any more than the tracks I quoted. I am almost positive they will finish the cycle with one of the rockers I mentioned. Then kick off with a heavy lead single in a couple of years.

Having a fast beat is not the only way to make a song rock harder. Do you really think this is not a harder song than "Call Me"? Or "Breaking Inside"?

[Cody]

or Crow And The Butterfly....

But yeah this is a pure rock tune I dont know where Artie's hearing the softness of it.

[(Artie Ziff)]

I think it's the slowest rocker on there, but that's just opinion obviously. I forgot all about Cry For Help. That might do OK also.

[Ron57]

Dec 7, 2009 16:54:51 GMT -5 (Artie Ziff) said:

I think it's the slowest rocker on there, but that's just opinion obviously. I forgot all about Cry For Help. That might do OK also.

Listen to Call Me. It's basically a piano ballad. There's no way this is lighter than that. Breaking Inside is also lighter.

[pen]

A slow rocker is still a rocker. It doesn't become less so just by being slow.