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Post by praepos on Aug 18, 2010 10:57:26 GMT -5
The video is incredibly generic--it does nothing for the song. There was nothing compelling me to keep watching, except I didn't want to be one of those people that judged it after 45 seconds. That makes three "meh's" in a row: the song, the video, the album cover. Oh, and David. The song and video are generic, the album cover isn't and neither is David whose claim to fame has always been his superior voice and the genuine soul behind it. I have never understood the wisdom behind Jive's effort to conceal David's strengths as a singer and its push instead to make him a tween heartthrob singing autotuned bubblegum. Makes no sense at all--unless he somehow scores big in sales by taking that route. If he doesn't, then we can chalk it up to a failure of imagination on the part of Jive's marketing geniuses.
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Post by violet on Aug 18, 2010 15:32:51 GMT -5
I understand your point praepos. I wish he would have a single some time that really showcases his voice and style. At the same time, David wanted to do music people his age would enjoy (though he has always seemed to consider kids about 2 years younger than himself to be "his age"). And I think he needed to lose the public image that he could only do ballads. I think he has done that with this single, moreso than with the midtempo singles from the 1st album. And hopefully he'll attract new people too. SBL is attracting new fans including some who say they've never heard of him. Hopefully they are old enough to have credit cards. And something news... Music video hub Vevo has become a leading online video destination in a short time, and now it's bringing its library of music videos to the iPhone and iPod Touch. The free Vevo app launched today (iTunes link) and it lets viewers access a library of 20,000 videos from over 7,000 artists. [...] Vevo has launched a new original series in conjunction with the app, called Ask:Reply, which features artists answering fan questions. The first installment features Ke$ha and is available exclusively through the app. Future installments will feature David Archuleta, Maroon 5, and Ciara. www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=69441(BTW - I love how recently David has seemed to become a good name to list in a variety of things. He seems to be up a rung these days)
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Post by praepos on Aug 18, 2010 19:13:32 GMT -5
I think there's a real split between his musical genius and his psychological age. Unfortunately it's not the musical genius who's got the upper hand. He just sort of pops up every now and then on a stage somewhere--commanding a standing ovation. But it's the other David Jive's marketing.
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Post by carneseca on Aug 18, 2010 23:50:49 GMT -5
I think there's a real split between his musical genius and his psychological age. Unfortunately it's not the musical genius who's got the upper hand. He just sort of pops up every now and then on a stage somewhere--commanding a standing ovation. But it's the other David Jive's marketing. I think I follow. Let me see. You are saying that Jive sees David as marketable to the young kids and hipsters but not to the broken hipsters? That would be old folks, sorry. At the same time you see David as an old soul trapped in a cute little body while being dragged around by his ears and forced to sing silly songs by an overbearing label/management? I think his problem is that he is too young to waste away with the geriatric crowd and too awkward to get the hipsters on board. Bummer. He's in a pickle from my vantage point. Such a talent will never fail in the end but he may well have to wait a few years before ending up on the same shelves and charts with Groban and Buble. Jmho.
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Post by praepos on Aug 19, 2010 0:16:40 GMT -5
You mean there's nobody in between young kids and old folks? Most grownups don't fall in either category. And most don't go for what Jive is marketing.
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Post by carneseca on Aug 19, 2010 1:42:41 GMT -5
You mean there's nobody in between young kids and old folks? Most grownups don't fall in either category. And most don't go for what Jive is marketing. I use the term "geriatric" lightly. The real broken hipsters don't buy music anyway. I'd say you think he's being marketed to the 15-25 crowd when his older soul is more 35-50?
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Post by praepos on Aug 19, 2010 9:34:23 GMT -5
I'd put it differently. He's Jive's answer to Justin Bieber. Last year he opened for Demi Levato. He's about to do a cameo for a kid's show Zooey-something. He did a stint on iCarly and Hannah Montana. None of that appeals to fans in their twenties, especially males. Instead of expanding his base upward, he's losing adult interest. He's associated with a lot of tween stuff--hence a first album with overproduction drowning out his vocals, and hence this cheesy single with David singing those prepubescent high notes. If we didn't have his classic rendition of Contigo at the ALMA awards to remind us--or the stunning Ann Arbor Xmas concert with full orchestra and David pulling out all the stops--we might almost forget he's got what Billboard has called a "once in a decade" voice. It's a voice that Jive has yet to showcase. Not that David himself is much help--since self-deprecation is one of his more annoying traits and he does seem to want to appeal to very young kids. But Jive needs to hand him something more age-appropriate and substantial like No Air--which he performed brilliantly recently with Jordan Sparks. Instead Jive's pushing bubblegum, autotuned no less.
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Aug 19, 2010 10:44:27 GMT -5
I realize im probably the exception here... But I actually enjoy watching iCarly even before he was even on it. But im not their target demo, but I do enjoy it. /pointless statement.
Ah yes, No Air, I'd love to see him do something like that. A nice power ballad he can sink his teeth into would be great.
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Post by praepos on Aug 19, 2010 10:58:09 GMT -5
Why not?
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Post by rosemoor on Aug 19, 2010 11:28:06 GMT -5
I'd put it differently. He's Jive's answer to Justin Bieber. Last year he opened for Demi Levato. He's about to do a cameo for a kid's show Zooey-something. He did a stint on iCarly and Hannah Montana. None of that appeals to fans in their twenties, especially males. Instead of expanding his base upward, he's losing adult interest. He's associated with a lot of tween stuff--hence a first album with overproduction drowning out his vocals, and hence this cheesy single with David singing those prepubescent high notes. If we didn't have his classic rendition of Contigo at the ALMA awards to remind us--or the stunning Ann Arbor Xmas concert with full orchestra and David pulling out all the stops--we might almost forget he's got what Billboard has called a "once in a decade" voice. It's a voice that Jive has yet to showcase. Not that David himself is much help--since self-deprecation is one of his more annoying traits and he does seem to want to appeal to very young kids. But Jive needs to hand him something more age-appropriate and substantial like No Air--which he performed brilliantly recently with Jordan Sparks. Instead Jive's pushing bubblegum, autotuned no less. I agree with you to some extend. I think Jive is making the same mistake as RCA made with Clay Aiken in the beginning and Kat McPhee. All three are brilliant singers, but none of their strength is in the pop music scene, especially something essential about them aren't fit for pop scene at all. But everybody wants to be hip, Kat said the same thing that she wants to sing the music the kids her age enjoy. Had they positioned Aiken like Michael Buble from the start, who knows where he might have ended up now, considering Buble's huge success.
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Post by violet on Aug 19, 2010 17:31:30 GMT -5
He's obviously not Jive's "answer to Bieber" since David's been a recording artist longer. I do think Jive would love to attract a bunch of young fans and I think they market him too much in that direction. But they are obviously too lame to pull it off or to even do some basic things. Like today I discovered his event list on his official site is empty "No current events". And there are all ages of events coming up. It's just pitiful. Makes me sad. www.davidarchuleta.com/eventsI truly hope David ditches whoever is responsible for that. Ditch the whole machine and go with a different one.
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Post by carneseca on Aug 19, 2010 18:26:56 GMT -5
I'd put it differently. He's Jive's answer to Justin Bieber. Last year he opened for Demi Levato. He's about to do a cameo for a kid's show Zooey-something. He did a stint on iCarly and Hannah Montana. None of that appeals to fans in their twenties, especially males. Instead of expanding his base upward, he's losing adult interest. He's associated with a lot of tween stuff--hence a first album with overproduction drowning out his vocals, and hence this cheesy single with David singing those prepubescent high notes. If we didn't have his classic rendition of Contigo at the ALMA awards to remind us--or the stunning Ann Arbor Xmas concert with full orchestra and David pulling out all the stops--we might almost forget he's got what Billboard has called a "once in a decade" voice. It's a voice that Jive has yet to showcase. Not that David himself is much help--since self-deprecation is one of his more annoying traits and he does seem to want to appeal to very young kids. But Jive needs to hand him something more age-appropriate and substantial like No Air--which he performed brilliantly recently with Jordan Sparks. Instead Jive's pushing bubblegum, autotuned no less. Commercially, he's no answer to Bieber. Like a gnat on Bieber's nose. Commercially. Talent is another thing completely. Teens are a huge market. Jive would be committing malpractice if they didn't go after that market. Quality is key. Maturity does not always translate into quality, and teeny is not always crap. There are a few youthful acts (Taylor Swift) out there who produce quality music aimed at young people. What David needs, in particular, is quality music aimed at folks his age or a little older.
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Post by puppylove on Aug 19, 2010 18:38:35 GMT -5
^^ I hear what both you and praepos are saying, but we still have no idea what other types of songs will be on his album.
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Post by « ƒƦǫɠ » on Aug 19, 2010 18:45:06 GMT -5
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Post by rosemoor on Aug 19, 2010 19:06:05 GMT -5
LOL who was the biggest seller last year? SuBo. last time I checked, she's not selling to a teen market. Joss Stone broke out big singing old style jazz songs when herself was a teen. Now she's hardly popular anymore ever since she tried to chase almighty hip young demo singing pop songs. On the other hand, Michael Buble sticked to his unhip jazz covers and is selling millions everywhere.
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Post by violet on Aug 19, 2010 19:25:35 GMT -5
Looks like there maybe be an event that might include David coming to Lancaster, PA from WLAN . Check out the mostly hidden by "?" right-hand photo of the first event in the event photo slideshow: www.fm97.com/main.html
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Post by Rurry on Aug 19, 2010 19:36:37 GMT -5
I'd put it differently. He's Jive's answer to Justin Bieber. Last year he opened for Demi Levato. He's about to do a cameo for a kid's show Zooey-something. He did a stint on iCarly and Hannah Montana. None of that appeals to fans in their twenties, especially males. Instead of expanding his base upward, he's losing adult interest. He's associated with a lot of tween stuff--hence a first album with overproduction drowning out his vocals, and hence this cheesy single with David singing those prepubescent high notes. If we didn't have his classic rendition of Contigo at the ALMA awards to remind us--or the stunning Ann Arbor Xmas concert with full orchestra and David pulling out all the stops--we might almost forget he's got what Billboard has called a "once in a decade" voice. It's a voice that Jive has yet to showcase. Not that David himself is much help--since self-deprecation is one of his more annoying traits and he does seem to want to appeal to very young kids. But Jive needs to hand him something more age-appropriate and substantial like No Air--which he performed brilliantly recently with Jordan Sparks. Instead Jive's pushing bubblegum, autotuned no less. I agree with you to some extend. I think Jive is making the same mistake as RCA made with Clay Aiken in the beginning and Kat McPhee. All three are brilliant singers, but none of their strength is in the pop music scene, especially something essential about them aren't fit for pop scene at all. But everybody wants to be hip, Kat said the same thing that she wants to sing the music the kids her age enjoy. Had they positioned Aiken like Michael Buble from the start, who knows where he might have ended up now, considering Buble's huge success. I have always disagreed with the notion that David's destiny is to be an AC Groban type singer. I don't think he is even interested in that career path and has always subtly put it down whenever he's asked about it in interviews. I don't think that he should be Bieber II either though. But, I haven't seen too many signs of that this era. I think SBL is a step up in maturity from most of the first album, both the song and the video.
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Post by violet on Aug 19, 2010 20:24:46 GMT -5
I agree with you Rurry. David has said he wants to make the kind of music he likes to listen to. And in one of this era's interviews he did say he wanted to move towards more mature music but didn't think he could just jump from point A to point B in one step and that fans wouldn't understand if he did that. I wish I could remember what interview that was. And as I said before, he has said in last era that he doesn't want to be a young Josh Groban or be "ballad boy".
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Post by praepos on Aug 19, 2010 21:00:24 GMT -5
LOL who was the biggest seller last year? SuBo. last time I checked, she's not selling to a teen market. Joss Stone broke out big singing old style jazz songs when herself was a teen. Now she's hardly popular anymore ever since she tried to chase almighty hip young demo singing pop songs. On the other hand, Michael Buble sticked to his unhip jazz covers and is selling millions everywhere. You make my point. There's a huge adult market out there not being served. David's following has always been diverse--and a lot older than most critics have supposed. That said, it's not an either/or situation. David doesn't have to be Disneyfied in order to avoid being Michael Buble.
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Post by atgs on Aug 19, 2010 22:15:20 GMT -5
I don't think this bubblegum pop Jive makes him go or Groabn style are really the only two options he has. I understand maybe the sound he wants to make wouldn't be that commercial and hence Jive making him sing these songs aimed to teens, but he's nearly 20 and even if he looks younger he's still nearly 20. He should be doing a more mature sound. I have to disagree with those who say SBL is more mature than his work in the last album. I think it's aimed to the same audience, exactly the same. I don't see any difference in the subject and lyrics.
And we know David can do more than that, and not that I'm on his mind, but I get the sense he wants to sing different things.
But oh well, this is just a single and maybe the album will surprise. Even though I dislike the single, I wish it was doing better.
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Post by Rurry on Aug 19, 2010 22:58:17 GMT -5
^David has repeated several times the album is more personal and not much like SBL. I don't think SBL was his choice. I don't think he has an issue with the song but if it was up to him I definitely think the single would be something different and probably more mature/personal. I think the album is definitely going to surprise people.
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Post by violet on Aug 20, 2010 10:20:49 GMT -5
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Post by praepos on Aug 20, 2010 11:24:36 GMT -5
There's David the singer. Then there's David the budding creative composer-performer. I don't think the two necessarily appeal to the same kind of audience or function at the same level of excellence. That said, any real artist needs room to experiment with different styles and approaches, so there's no telling what the ultimate pay-off will be down the road. He's certainly sophisticated about music despite his young age. What bothers me most is that Jive has released a single that is purportedly unrepresentative of the rest of the cd. The pitch seems deceptive, aimed once again at kids rather than adults.
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Post by violet on Aug 20, 2010 12:34:37 GMT -5
BTW - I couldn't find this before. But AOL has a quote of what David said previously about more mature music: www.aolradioblog.com/2010/08/20/david-archuleta-the-other-side-of-down-2010-new-album/"This time around, Archuleta's taken a more prominent role in the songwriting process on his new album. As he told Something Pitchy, songwriting is "something I've been working on, more and more. And I've gotten more comfortable with writing." Still, he admits that sometimes, "It's hard to get a message into a few lines." Archuleta, though, definitely knows what kinds of songs he wanted to write on this album. "I love it when a song is real, when it comes from real ideas and real concepts and real emotions," he explains. In the same interview, Archuleta said that the sound of the new album is definitely within the pop genre, and that he didn't want to "shock people all of a sudden, and make this indie, mature, deep dark album." "I still want it to be youthful and fun," he says. "But I don't want it to be too careless." " And I know he said something related, I think in an interview (audio one?), about not being able to jump right from point a to point b musically, and having to go through steps in between. The original Something Pitchy interview seems to be a video so maybe he said more than that. television.aol.com/american-idol/2010/06/02/somethingpitchy-broadcast-david-archuleta-interview-video/
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Post by praepos on Aug 20, 2010 13:38:43 GMT -5
It's a sophisticated statement. David is here to stay I think, learning the craft of the business at a very young age. He IS more than just a fine singer. Paul Anka--another young singer who matured into a terrific songwriter--was asked recently who he thought might play his role in a biography about himself. He mentioned David Archuleta as his choice. It made sense. It's his musical sophistication that makes me cringe when Jive markets him the way it does. It really insults his talent.
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Post by daveyfan on Aug 20, 2010 16:09:24 GMT -5
All I have to say is that as long as he's making music I (along with many others) will be listening. David is just such an amazing talent that no matter what genre or sound he will always attract those who appreciate and can recognize REAL singing -- not slick marketing, studio effects and pyrotechnics. All he needs is a microphone which can't be said for the majority of the "talent" on the scene today.
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Post by gemzone on Aug 20, 2010 18:49:25 GMT -5
All I have to say is that as long as he's making music I (along with many others) will be listening. David is just such an amazing talent that no matter what genre or sound he will always attract those who appreciate and can recognize REAL singing -- not slick marketing, studio effects and pyrotechnics. All he needs is a microphone which can't be said for the majority of the "talent" on the scene today. Amen I am with you on that one!!!!
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Post by praepos on Aug 21, 2010 12:09:53 GMT -5
All I have to say is that as long as he's making music I (along with many others) will be listening. David is just such an amazing talent that no matter what genre or sound he will always attract those who appreciate and can recognize REAL singing -- not slick marketing, studio effects and pyrotechnics. All he needs is a microphone which can't be said for the majority of the "talent" on the scene today. From the get-go AI producers emphasized David's teen appeal and condescended to him either as a cute teenaged heartthrob or as the favorite of grannies, pretty much ignoring his broader appeal. Jive has been marketing him primarily to kids. Yet his appeal has always been broad-based, with great numbers of adult fans responding to his expressive vocals rather than his looks. Jive totally ignores this. The first album actually de-emphasized his superior vocals in favor of the usual pop razzle-dazzle that appeals to a youthful market. This recent single is along the same lines. Yet his popularity has not expanded that much in that demographic. What should that tell us? To me it says the marketing focus from the beginning has been too narrow. It's David's voice that sets him apart and needs to be taken more seriously. Jive needs to stash the plastic friendship bracelets and showcase more sophisticated material to expand his appeal.
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Post by violet on Aug 21, 2010 20:09:27 GMT -5
First clip of Elevator from Zoo-a-palooza (David earlier told someone he's be doing his favorite song off the new album) www.twitvid.com/PLFECHe did acoustic (w/ Mike and/or himself) SBL, Crazy, Elevator, Crush praepos - Frankie Avalon also said nice stuff about David. Q. Is there anyone out there these days who comes close to the teen idol status you achieved? A. There are a few. Justin Timberland. He’s extremely talented and I keep hoping he has a career that will last. I also like David Archuleta, I just saw him on a video the other day. He’s doing a lot of good stuff.
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Post by daveyfan on Aug 21, 2010 20:31:55 GMT -5
Actually from the quote I saw he said that Elevator was ONE of his favorite songs on the album.
I thought it was ok but I will reserve judgment until I hear the studio version. But I'm excited for David to be performing again. Yay!!:)
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