Adam Lambert, "Whataya Want From Me" Hot100: #10!

[caitlin1974]

Feb 23, 2010 20:31:31 GMT -5 lucytor said:

RCA replaced FYE with WWFM a week before the AMAs.

I'd love it if anyone here has an explanation.

A lot of stations gave FYE test spins when it first came out, I think it boils down to poor feedback, and PDs being put off by Adam not doing the usual artist radio promotional appearances/phoners/etc.

Someone mentioned Rob Thomas, when his new album came out, in one day he went to three different radio stations and performed acoustic sets. Two of the stations are in Georgia while the other is located in Florida. If a multi platinum selling, Grammy award winning artist isn't big enough to do that type of promo tour, then certainly Adam Lambert can do the same thing.

RCA's treatment of FYE was weird, and not weird because they acted as if Adam was too good for a certain kind of promotion. They simply did not promote FYE, period, and replaced it with WWFM a week before the AMAs.

How didn't they promote it? Adam appeared on Ryan's syndicated show to debut the song, it had an adds date, even though it was one that just came out of the blue, stations tested it. I think that the promotion sucked, but there was promotion. I think that RCA thought that they didn't have to do a lot, and that they just had to rely on the hype surrounding Adam to promote the song, but they were wrong.

[foxxden]

Feb 23, 2010 22:09:38 GMT -5 caitlin1974 said:

Feb 23, 2010 20:31:31 GMT -5 lucytor said:

RCA replaced FYE with WWFM a week before the AMAs.

I'd love it if anyone here has an explanation.

A lot of stations gave FYE test spins when it first came out, I think it boils down to poor feedback, and PDs being put off by Adam not doing the usual artist radio promotional appearances/phoners/etc.

Someone mentioned Rob Thomas, when his new album came out, in one day he went to three different radio stations and performed acoustic sets. Two of the stations are in Georgia while the other is located in Florida. If a multi platinum selling, Grammy award winning artist isn't big enough to do that type of promo tour, then certainly Adam Lambert can do the same thing.

I don't get where this "lack of radio appearances" is coming from. I don't have a list of stations on hand but I know Adam has called in and done interviews for several radio stations. He just did an acoustic set to broadcast across all clear channel stations.

I doubt Cumolous' main reason for not adding him is because he won't do a radio interview with them lol.

[lorib0711]

Feb 23, 2010 18:44:22 GMT -5 overboard said:

Discussions suck. Lets try this...

#1 SMASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure of a #1 but I don't think it's peaked.

[MOWE]

Feb 23, 2010 13:42:51 GMT -5 P!nkch TheO™ said:

and YES, i still think this is gonna go all the way to #1. and if youy don't think so, it's totally fine.

Well, I admire your faith, Theo! IF the Cumulus stations finally add this, I can see it going Top 10. I think #1 is pretty much out of the question though at this point.

[caitlin1974]

Feb 23, 2010 23:22:19 GMT -5 foxxden said:

I don't get where this "lack of radio appearances" is coming from. I don't have a list of stations on hand but I know Adam has called in and done interviews for several radio stations. He just did an acoustic set to broadcast across all clear channel stations.

I doubt Cumolous' main reason for not adding him is because he won't do a radio interview with them lol.

We aren't talking about now, when FYE first came out Adam didn't do any interviews, and he didn't initially take part in the Jingle Balls. But, after FYE didn't get played, and Adam received negative backlash for the AMA, suddenly he started doing a rash of phoners, and made an appearance at several jingle balls.

I don't think it's out of bounds to come to the conclusion that RCA realized that Adam needed to start kissing up to those in radio.

[lucytor]

Feb 23, 2010 22:09:38 GMT -5 caitlin1974 said:

Feb 23, 2010 20:31:31 GMT -5 lucytor said:

RCA replaced FYE with WWFM a week before the AMAs.

I'd love it if anyone here has an explanation.

A lot of stations gave FYE test spins when it first came out, I think it boils down to poor feedback, and PDs being put off by Adam not doing the usual artist radio promotional appearances/phoners/etc.

Someone mentioned Rob Thomas, when his new album came out, in one day he went to three different radio stations and performed acoustic sets. Two of the stations are in Georgia while the other is located in Florida. If a multi platinum selling, Grammy award winning artist isn't big enough to do that type of promo tour, then certainly Adam Lambert can do the same thing.

RCA's treatment of FYE was weird, and not weird because they acted as if Adam was too good for a certain kind of promotion. They simply did not promote FYE, period, and replaced it with WWFM a week before the AMAs.

How didn't they promote it? Adam appeared on Ryan's syndicated show to debut the song, it had an adds date, even though it was one that just came out of the blue, stations tested it. I think that the promotion sucked, but there was promotion. I think that RCA thought that they didn't have to do a lot, and that they just had to rely on the hype surrounding Adam to promote the song, but they were wrong.

I don't think they were thinking anything with FYE. There really was no FYE promotion other than Ryan's show, so it wasn't a "we have a superstar, so we're going to do only snotty promo and leave the lowly radio out of the equation" thing. The song was given two weeks to find its legs with absolutely no promo, then RCA brought out WWFM a week before the AMAS with no warning.

After the AMAs, Adam started to promote WWFM the way people had expected him to promote FYE. ita FYE's failure and the AMAs mess must have changed the way Adam promoted WWFM, and he was pretty clearly a late addition to Jingle Balls.

[kod]

Well I have lived through "I do not hook up" hitting a wall so nothing surprises me- it would be nice if it goes higher but if it doesn't, it doesn't.

[mostlyharmless]

What is this thread! lol

[DiscoSchtick]

Feb 24, 2010 2:48:05 GMT -5 mostlyharmless said:

What is this thread! lol

Re: A Hot Mess.

[mostlyharmless]

Feb 24, 2010 2:55:29 GMT -5 DiscoSchtick said:

Feb 24, 2010 2:48:05 GMT -5 mostlyharmless said:

What is this thread! lol

Re: A Hot Mess.

omg lol.

This grew like 3 pages since i last checked it.
Adam's in the diva league now

[Rumors]

For all the newbies, a discussion like this is very common on this site. As has been stated, this isn't a fan site of any particular artist.

[Kworb]

Published Reports

POP:
20 19 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 3961 3744 217 27.532
+36 Spins
-32 Bullet
+0.315 AI

HAC:
24 20 ADAM LAMBERT Whataya Want From Me 1192 939 253 6.101
+40 Spins
+14 Bullet
+0.363 AI

Top Stations

POP:
WHTZ New York 105 (-1)
KDLW Albuquerque 94 (-1)
WBLI Nassau-Suffolk 89 (+3)
KZHT Salt Lake City 86 (-1)
WFLZ Tampa 83 (-1)

HAC:
KVLY McAllen 73 (+2)
WSJO Atlantic City 53 (+3)
WTIC Hartford 38 (-1)
KHMX Houston 37 (=)
KHKZ McAllen 37 (=)

[kamikazeheart]

Back on track, for now. Going strong at HAC as well.

[satanicfloret]

Whew! Thats a bit better! I see the weekly dropped but as long as the daily spins went up then thats ok.

I don't want to prolong the wank but just wanted to provide a bit of context for the SuBo comments...

GT here in the UK have opinions about Adam and SuBo that should be factored in when you look at the article.
1. GT have been really critical of Adam since Idol. He wasn't their favourite to win.
2. The language of the quotes strikes me as a little too British for Adam.
3. The quotes almost exactly mirror previous comments about SuBo made by the author of the article. (can anyone say "Projection" with me?)
4. Adam has opinions and very little filter. But he's not cruel or even particularly bitchy when expressing them. I can easily see him saying that he didn't like her album and thought her version of Wild Horses was dire. But the language used was more spiteful than anything I've seen of Adam to date. The whole tone was off so I seriously doubt it's reliable quoting. In fact the LA Times piece about it is the closest I've seen to explaining what might have happened but I'm still dubious that these are word for word quotes.

And to put my comments above in context? I live in the UK and think SuBo is a complete joke that loads of people just haven't laughed at yet. I'm not alone in this opinion. But most of the people who like her are over 55 and they seem really happy so I don't begrudge them her "talents".
I seriously doubt that anyone here who likes Top40 music likes SuBo anyway so even without being cleared up further, I don't think it will hurt him any.

[caitlin1974]

Whew! Thats a bit better! I see the weekly dropped but as long as the daily spins went up then thats ok.

He still has a week to week increase of over 200 and that is more important the the day to day increase. The good news is that existing stations seem to be increasing the rotation, the bad news is that yesterday was another bad add day.

[satanicfloret]

Feb 24, 2010 8:07:06 GMT -5 caitlin1974 said:

Whew! Thats a bit better! I see the weekly dropped but as long as the daily spins went up then thats ok.

He still has a week to week increase of over 200 and that is more important the the day to day increase. The good news is that existing stations seem to be increasing the rotation, the bad news is that yesterday was another bad add day.

I know - I hope RCA can make some headway with Cumulus. But you know if they can't it is what it is. The stations that are spinning WWFM will just need to work harder - his average spin count per station can go alot higher (and needs to if he's going Top15 or Top10 anyway).

*fingers crossed* and positive vibes to the universe.

[krisella]

better updates today:)

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

You can't *see* a lot of radio promotion. The only radio promotion you can see is the artist going on radio promotional tours, and sometimes those ads on mediabase. Most new artists do the rounds--traveling from station to station (not just phoners) in order to get their song going. Big stations and little stations.

The other type of promotion is behind the scenes. Fans can't see it, so I don't think you can say there was no promotion for FYE. The people at RCA in charge of radio airplay basically spend their time working the stations and trying to get them to play the song. Really, fans have no idea what RCA did behind the scenes for FYE.

[grey]

Feb 24, 2010 7:56:52 GMT -5 satanicfloret said:

Whew! Thats a bit better! I see the weekly dropped but as long as the daily spins went up then thats ok.

I don't want to prolong the wank but just wanted to provide a bit of context for the SuBo comments...

GT here in the UK have opinions about Adam and SuBo that should be factored in when you look at the article.
1. GT have been really critical of Adam since Idol. He wasn't their favourite to win.
2. The language of the quotes strikes me as a little too British for Adam.
3. The quotes almost exactly mirror previous comments about SuBo made by the author of the article. (can anyone say "Projection" with me?)
4. Adam has opinions and very little filter. But he's not cruel or even particularly b***hy when expressing them. I can easily see him saying that he didn't like her album and thought her version of Wild Horses was dire. But the language used was more spiteful than anything I've seen of Adam to date. The whole tone was off so I seriously doubt it's reliable quoting. In fact the LA Times piece about it is the closest I've seen to explaining what might have happened but I'm still dubious that these are word for word quotes.

And to put my comments above in context? I live in the UK and think SuBo is a complete joke that loads of people just haven't laughed at yet. I'm not alone in this opinion. But most of the people who like her are over 55 and they seem really happy so I don't begrudge them her "talents".
I seriously doubt that anyone here who likes Top40 music likes SuBo anyway so even without being cleared up further, I don't think it will hurt him any.

I don't know, it sounded like the Adam I've heard and read in interviews. I'm not buying into the "misquoted" excuse again. Particularly not after hearing him imitating SuBo in another radio interview, singing Wild Horses.
I can't say I'm a fan of her music either, but apparently 3 million people are. That's not the point, anyway. The point is, it's not appropriate or cool to put down one of your peers publicly.

[aTunes]

He does have a very off putting personality, imo. He does leave a sour taste in my mouth a lot of the time with his attitude/comments. He's like the male equivalent of Kelly Clarkson for me: I think he's talented and like his music, but dislike his personality.

[Sarah.]

For some reason I have a feeling that Cumulus is going to add WWFM next week. A few of their stations have given it test spins over the past couple weeks, and the one in Dallas just tweeted "
i93dallas: Adam Lambert - "Whataya Want From Me" Official Music Video bit.ly/9p9fId"

That would help so much if they add it!

[Sarah.]

Feb 24, 2010 15:34:24 GMT -5 aTunes said:

He does have a very off putting personality, imo. He does leave a sour taste in my mouth a lot of the time with his attitude/comments. He's like the male equivalent of Kelly Clarkson for me: I think he's talented and like his music, but dislike his personality.

He's like the opposite for me. I love his personality so much...he has a relatable sense of humor, and he's really honest. Watching his interviews is always refreshing.
Did you see the fan chat he did the other day? It was great!

There's 5 other parts that can be found on YT or on his website.

[satanicfloret]

Feb 24, 2010 15:31:01 GMT -5 grey said:

Feb 24, 2010 7:56:52 GMT -5 satanicfloret said:

Whew! Thats a bit better! I see the weekly dropped but as long as the daily spins went up then thats ok.

I don't want to prolong the wank but just wanted to provide a bit of context for the SuBo comments...

GT here in the UK have opinions about Adam and SuBo that should be factored in when you look at the article.
1. GT have been really critical of Adam since Idol. He wasn't their favourite to win.
2. The language of the quotes strikes me as a little too British for Adam.
3. The quotes almost exactly mirror previous comments about SuBo made by the author of the article. (can anyone say "Projection" with me?)
4. Adam has opinions and very little filter. But he's not cruel or even particularly b***hy when expressing them. I can easily see him saying that he didn't like her album and thought her version of Wild Horses was dire. But the language used was more spiteful than anything I've seen of Adam to date. The whole tone was off so I seriously doubt it's reliable quoting. In fact the LA Times piece about it is the closest I've seen to explaining what might have happened but I'm still dubious that these are word for word quotes.

And to put my comments above in context? I live in the UK and think SuBo is a complete joke that loads of people just haven't laughed at yet. I'm not alone in this opinion. But most of the people who like her are over 55 and they seem really happy so I don't begrudge them her "talents".
I seriously doubt that anyone here who likes Top40 music likes SuBo anyway so even without being cleared up further, I don't think it will hurt him any.

I don't know, it sounded like the Adam I've heard and read in interviews. I'm not buying into the "misquoted" excuse again. Particularly not after hearing him imitating SuBo in another radio interview, singing Wild Horses.
I can't say I'm a fan of her music either, but apparently 3 million people are. That's not the point, anyway. The point is, it's not appropriate or cool to put down one of your peers publicly.

What have you watched? Because I've seen probably EVERY interview he's done that is available on the internet and he's never nasty about other people. He's invariably polite and diplomatic. I do know the radio interview where he mildly imitated Wild Horses as kind of warbly. And I'm not saying that he didn't say it at all, but just that the quote doesn't feel right to me - the words used are wrong, the speech pattern is wrong. And you can call me a freak if you like but I've watched so much of him being interviewed that I really think I can tell the difference.

Plus you've completely ignored the GT bias against SuBo to start with.

[grey]

What does their alleged bias have to do with quoting him? He gave them an interview, they printed it. I don't care if those weren't his exact words, I believe the context is what he said and meant.

[kmbgs]

From the comments he's made in the press and on his Twitter that I've seen, I feel like Adam is a giant bitch, which is the main reason why I dislike him. Although this song is pretty good.

[Rurry]

I can't stand his personality, personally. There's a difference between being honest and being a diva, and he's definitely the latter. Insulting your fans and knocking the top selling artist of the past year is not the way you enter the industry as a newbie.

[Jack]

Diva he may be. But he's right. Her album is sh*t. And Incidentally he can outsing her ten times over. Furthermore, this song is great.

[soundUPsceneDOWN]

^^^ He's not "right." He has an opinion. A lot of people like Susan Boyle's album. It's not earth-shattering, but it's pretty.

[satanicfloret]

Their bias is completely relevant if the alleged quote is VERY similar to the opinion expressed by the author previous to this interview taking place. Adam's comment might have been milder or just less bitchy and they put their own clearly stated opinion on it.

[lucytor]

Re Adam's personality, oh, boy. Here I was, weirded out that people were talking about the "catchiness" of a song as an objective thing.

You guys do realize that personality is a subjective thing? Unless the artist in question has abused a child or joined the KKK, you can't use your take on his personality as anything at all, other than your take.

As with the catchiness of a song, those of you who like him can go on about how wonderful he is; those of you who don't like him can go on about how obnoxious he is. And that's about it. Nothing that's said will have any objective validity at all, nor will you convince anyone through argument.

Re the SuBo thing, imo it's his opinion, and he has a right to it, but then I had the same take on Clay Aiken's opinion of Adam's singing. It's an opinion, and he had the right to express an opinion.

I don't know at the moment if this will have long-term consequences.

With apologies.