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Post by singingrulebritannia on Mar 22, 2010 0:00:32 GMT -5
Or there's the slight possibility that someone can hate a band without giving a s**t about their popularity Theres not liking a band (which is normal and okay) and then theres a hate bandwagon that is full of spite and bitterness. I mean you've got movies, radio shows and websites taking pot shots at the band. Funny thing is, if you watch an interview with Nickelback, they never say a bad word about other artists. So you're saying that what I'm saying is impossible? That every single person who hates Nickelback is a jealous poseur?
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Post by My Life Is A Stereo on Mar 22, 2010 0:34:03 GMT -5
Theres not liking a band (which is normal and okay) and then theres a hate bandwagon that is full of spite and bitterness. I mean you've got movies, radio shows and websites taking pot shots at the band. Funny thing is, if you watch an interview with Nickelback, they never say a bad word about other artists. So you're saying that what I'm saying is impossible? That every single person who hates Nickelback is a jealous poseur? I'd venture to guess what he's saying is that MOST people how don't like Nickelback are bandwagoning the fact that they are the current rock punching bag. It is what it is. There are lots of people who have legitimate reasons for not being fans and that's fair enough but many people decide to not like a band based on public perception. Most of those people probably even like some of their songs but don't admit it publicly because it's "just not cool".
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Mar 22, 2010 2:38:50 GMT -5
There's that Facebook page that's called "Can this pickle get more fans than Nickelback?" And it's just like, "Jesus, people, isn't there a more constructive use of your time?" And when the pickle does (did?) get more fans than Nickelback, what does that even prove? That there are a bunch of idiots mentally high-fiving each other over the internet while Nickelback plays a sold-out arena show across town.
It's like that episode of The Simpsons when Mr. Smithers attacks Principal Skinner on Mr. Burns' behalf for denying him a share of the school's new oil money. The only weapon Smithers could find was a stapler and after firing three or four off that helplessly fall to the floor, Skinner calmly tells him, "Please don't waste those."
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Post by mcbrearty on Mar 22, 2010 5:32:20 GMT -5
And their earlier songs really haven't been in the same realm. I still hold that despite all the criticism, "How You Remind Me" is pretty interesting lyrically, especially in comparison to their later, more hollowed out singles. "Too Bad", "Breathe", "Hangnail", "Fly", and "Old Enough" are also songs that I find very intriguing. Yeah I'd agree with that somewhat, their older stuff was a bit more cryptic and not as easily accessible, especially up untill "The Long Road". But on Nickelback's last 3 albums, songs like "Throw Yourself Away", "Just To Get High", "Side Of a Bullet", "Because Of You" and even a big hit like "Savin' Me" were of the same quality, imo.
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Post by lockebox on Mar 22, 2010 12:17:32 GMT -5
And what do you base that theory on? Part of the hate is due to their lack of originality and songs based around partying and slutty women. You are obviously someone who doesnt know much about the band, if you think thats all they sing about. Whats wrong with partying anyway ?? I actually own the "Dark Horse" album fyi. There's nothing wrong with singing about partying, if that's what they wanna do. I just found it tiresome on this effort. Their songs either seem to be hard rocking party anthems or slow pop rock love songs. They were much better equipped ten odd years ago, when the songs were more darker and melodic.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 22, 2010 13:11:15 GMT -5
Nickelback versus a pickle? Now that's funny. Why not compare Nickelback to Rush or U2 or something?
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Post by American Idiot on Mar 22, 2010 13:49:18 GMT -5
I think all the hate is just because certain music fans need something to hate at all times. Since Nickelback happens to be in the sub-category of music that I guess a lot of people don't happen to enjoy all that easily, they get no love from some people. Personally, I've enjoyed their old stuff a lot more than their new. "Dark Horse" was a disappointment in my opinion, as well as some of their songs over the past two albums have lyrics that make me shake my head in disgust, but I still have to admit that they're good at what they do and I just can't join in on the hate.
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Post by The Party Captain on Mar 22, 2010 15:33:28 GMT -5
^ Some people just get tired of Chad Kroeger's throat-clogging croak of a voice.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Mar 22, 2010 16:56:23 GMT -5
they're good at what they do. Pandering to the LCM? Well, I just can't respect that. Sorry.
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Post by My Life Is A Stereo on Mar 22, 2010 19:00:54 GMT -5
they're good at what they do. Pandering to the LCM? Well, I just can't respect that. Sorry. You don't have to respect that....and they don't give a crap either. Let's see...if I had the choice, I'd rather be successful and rich than critically loved and living in a van down by the river. Not everyone, in fact most, become musicians to be Mozart or Zepplin or Floyd, they do it to get rich, famous and live the big life. Nickelback does that and they aren't azzclowns about it. In fact they are some of the nicest guys you'd ever meet. Most people who decide they "hate Nickelback" really don't know anything about them AND that is what's most annoying about the bandwagon BS. I'm not saying you have to like Nickelback, you can have your particular reasons, this is a generalization of why MOST people claim to hate them so much.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Mar 22, 2010 19:55:40 GMT -5
Pandering to the LCM? Well, I just can't respect that. Sorry. You don't have to respect that....and they don't give a crap either. Let's see...if I had the choice, I'd rather be successful and rich than critically loved and living in a van down by the river. Most people who decide they "hate Nickelback" really don't know anything about them AND that is what's most annoying about the bandwagon BS. I'm not saying you have to like Nickelback, you can have your particular reasons, this is a generalization of why MOST people claim to hate them so much. Ooookay? I'm not really criticizing their music because I think they'd give a crap. And success shouldn't really get in the way of music criticism, and usually doesn't. I don't really get what you're still disputing? I know there are some people who hate Nickelback just to be cool. You don't have to tell me that. (as a sidenote, neither outlet is really better than the other because being on a major label imposes its own success tax. so being on an indie label is certainly not 'living in a van down by the river; look at Vampire Weekend or Silversun Pickups)
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 22, 2010 20:05:07 GMT -5
Kroeger's voice is unique, I'll give you that. But he makes it work quite powerfully on many of their songs.
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Post by lockebox on Mar 22, 2010 20:21:48 GMT -5
Kroeger's voice is unique? ???
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Post by My Life Is A Stereo on Mar 22, 2010 21:05:42 GMT -5
You don't have to respect that....and they don't give a crap either. Let's see...if I had the choice, I'd rather be successful and rich than critically loved and living in a van down by the river. Most people who decide they "hate Nickelback" really don't know anything about them AND that is what's most annoying about the bandwagon BS. I'm not saying you have to like Nickelback, you can have your particular reasons, this is a generalization of why MOST people claim to hate them so much. Ooookay? I'm not really criticizing their music because I think they'd give a crap. And success shouldn't really get in the way of music criticism, and usually doesn't. I don't really get what you're still disputing? I know there are some people who hate Nickelback just to be cool. You don't have to tell me that. (as a sidenote, neither outlet is really better than the other because being on a major label imposes its own success tax. so being on an indie label is certainly not 'living in a van down by the river; look at Vampire Weekend or Silversun Pickups) I'm lol'ing at you taking "the van down by the river" comment seriously. Again, I'm not even talking directly about YOU, so you don't have to respond. It's a generalization of the hating bandwagon, it happens with more bands than just Nickelback and is never going to end. I'm just stating why I find it exhausting. Kind of like my station using it as a promotional tool....Nickelback free all the time....
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Mar 22, 2010 21:37:52 GMT -5
Ooookay? I'm not really criticizing their music because I think they'd give a crap. And success shouldn't really get in the way of music criticism, and usually doesn't. I don't really get what you're still disputing? I know there are some people who hate Nickelback just to be cool. You don't have to tell me that. (as a sidenote, neither outlet is really better than the other because being on a major label imposes its own success tax. so being on an indie label is certainly not 'living in a van down by the river; look at Vampire Weekend or Silversun Pickups) I'm lol'ing at you taking "the van down by the river" comment seriously. Again, I'm not even talking directly about YOU, so you don't have to respond. It's a generalization of the hating bandwagon, it happens with more bands than just Nickelback and is never going to end. When you say something it's usually because something about someone else spurred you to make that comment. they don't give a crap: Nothing. Success is better to have than artistic merit and not success: Completely subjective and still nothing. I can only reply to the fact there, and it looked like to me you said that in dead seriousness so it's not really my fault there. How am I supposed to know you were saying everything in that post just to say it? You directly quoted me, you said something in a way like you were still defending Nickelback, so... I know this is a chart board, but seriously, success is not everything, so stop bringing it into every conversation just to say it whether or not it's in context. I still have no idea what point you're trying to defend though, because I clearly addressed the last sentence in the very post you quoted. Seriously, I'm confused here. Your posts have consistently had nothing to do with my posts in every thread you have confronted me. Do you mind telling me what you really mean?
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Post by The Party Captain on Mar 22, 2010 22:49:23 GMT -5
I don't hate them. I'm simply tired of them. Everyone I go. CHR, Hot AC, Alternative, Active. They're always there and they're always overplayed.
I like some of their songs. I just don't want to hear them all day. I mean, 8 singles from one album is frickin ridiculous.
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Post by American Idiot on Mar 22, 2010 22:58:05 GMT -5
I don't hate them. I'm simply tired of them. Everyone I go. CHR, Hot AC, Alternative, Active. They're always there and they're always overplayed. I like some of their songs. I just don't want to hear them all day. I mean, 8 singles from one album is frickin ridiculous. Besides some of their more recent songs making me cringe at some of the lyrical content, yes that's exactly my reasoning as well behind Nickelback. I like basically every song I've ever heard from them. Some a lot more than others, but I'm just sick and tired of hearing them every day since it seems that they ALWAYS have a current single out due to each album going 7 or 8 singles deep and on a number of different formats. I don't hate Chad's voice either, but it doesn't attract me really to the slightest bit.
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Post by My Life Is A Stereo on Mar 23, 2010 0:50:02 GMT -5
I'm lol'ing at you taking "the van down by the river" comment seriously. Again, I'm not even talking directly about YOU, so you don't have to respond. It's a generalization of the hating bandwagon, it happens with more bands than just Nickelback and is never going to end. When you say something it's usually because something about someone else spurred you to make that comment. they don't give a crap: Nothing. Success is better to have than artistic merit and not success: Completely subjective and still nothing. I can only reply to the fact there, and it looked like to me you said that in dead seriousness so it's not really my fault there. How am I supposed to know you were saying everything in that post just to say it? You directly quoted me, you said something in a way like you were still defending Nickelback, so... I know this is a chart board, but seriously, success is not everything, so stop bringing it into every conversation just to say it whether or not it's in context. I still have no idea what point you're trying to defend though, because I clearly addressed the last sentence in the very post you quoted. Seriously, I'm confused here. Your posts have consistently had nothing to do with my posts in every thread you have confronted me. Do you mind telling me what you really mean? You need to stop now. I'm done. I'm not explaining anything else. You seem to be taking things a little too seriously. I get it. You are into artistic integrity and don't like Nickelback. I don't even like Nickelback that much. I'm only using them as the example of how I find bandwagon H.aters to be sheep. Honestly that has NOTHING to do with you. You don't seem to have those reasons for disliking a band. Great. We're done here. Forget the quotes. Forget everything. You are giving me a headache.
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Mar 23, 2010 1:20:48 GMT -5
*shrug* It's not that important anyway so since we'll never get anywhere I'll call it quits.
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Post by metalfan87 on Mar 23, 2010 15:39:05 GMT -5
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 23, 2010 15:59:24 GMT -5
If only Billboard had told us that 11 days ago. Oh, wait...... I did. And Nickelback just released six from their last album to rock. Very heard of.
I too hope one day that Nickelback can shred its adult and CHR status and get back to making complete albums that rock all the way through. Too many hiccups these last three CDs to be consistent.
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Mar 24, 2010 9:36:18 GMT -5
has anyone found this on any rock chart yet?
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Post by metalfan87 on Mar 24, 2010 9:43:26 GMT -5
it's been getting adds lately, which is all I know
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 24, 2010 11:17:41 GMT -5
Gains since Monday, via Nielsen:
Alternative +13 Active +67 Mainstream +21
Not a bad start for only two days of service.
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Mar 24, 2010 12:49:05 GMT -5
nice, thx Artie Ziff!
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Mar 24, 2010 13:28:34 GMT -5
Nice especially for a 16 month old song batting 8th in the Dark Horse release line-up.
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Mar 24, 2010 18:51:33 GMT -5
although I'm not sure for its success on rock charts because it's not a rocker song, the last song i remember hitting #1 and being a soft rock song, or a ballad was second chance, and now "your decision", I'm sure that many other soft songs hit #1 but i'm also sure u all got my point. (that is way harder for a non-rocker song to peak high at rock charts)
rockstar did remarkable well on mainstream rock at #4, and after some months when it was released in pop stations it became the rockstar we all know, now with "this afternoon" rock stations and pop stations are playing it at the same time, i hope this will do well anyway..!
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Post by jdmasta289 on Mar 25, 2010 4:49:04 GMT -5
It seems weak that artists like Theory of a Deadman and Nickelback can release eight to ten different singles from one particular album when a) the bands make Creed and 3 Doors Down look original (at one point), b) they are releasing their singles to something like four different formats, and c) 1/2 of the singles they release barely dent the chosen format.
Perhaps I'm just showing anomosity because with every subsequent single they release, they give modern rock a terrible name.
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Post by mcbrearty on Mar 25, 2010 9:03:20 GMT -5
... they give modern rock a terrible name. I think their one of the best artists in modern rock.
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Mar 25, 2010 10:21:49 GMT -5
... they give modern rock a terrible name. I think their one of the best artists in modern rock. definitely!
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