Billboard 200, 05/08/2010: Glee Cast #1, 98K

[singingrulebritannia]

May 1, 2010 10:38:19 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

May 1, 2010 10:30:50 GMT -5 reidster said:

I'm not taking it to heart, I'm just saying that these certifications mean nothing anymore. And I might add that 150k is actually a lot when she is only selling 20k a week (and that number will go down). It'll be at least another 4-5 months before she's actually at 500k sold. Again, these certifications mean nothing when you can make them based on nothing. They are congratulating the label on shipping out albums instead of the artist actually selling them. Meh. And I know this is nothing new, but usually labels wait until at least 400k for a Gold Certification, and that is why I brought it up.

You're right about one thing - this is nothing new. Labels have been doing this for years. I don't see why it's a big now.

Man I don't want to only be known for doing this but I have to

Yes of course he only adopted this belief recently, he couldn't have possibly thought this for a long time. It doesn't matter what album it happens to, he should be looking for those certs ALL THE TIME and if he doesn't point out every time it happens then HE'S A HYPOCRITE RAARG

[areyoureadytojump]

After posting the new RIAA certifications for years here, you'd think people would understand them by now.

Monica's Gold certification is fine. The album is Top 20. Duh. Good for her.

[PDC1987]

Monica's album will obviously scan at least close to Gold, so why is it a problem that the label facilitated that with their shipments thus far?

[reidster]

lmao at people thinking people don't understand the certification rules. it's not rocket science. I merely think Monica's album was certified too early, and then stated my opinion on certifications. You guys really need to relax.

[PDC1987]

An album can't be "certified too early," an album has to of already shipped + downloaded at least the number of copies the label wants it certified for.

Beyond that, her album WILL hit Gold in hard sales sooner rather than later, so there is nothing wrong with the label already having made their shipments facilitate that.

[singingrulebritannia]

Yea ok I know it's typical of people here to argue opinions as if they were facts but you really need to get off it PDC.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

May 2, 2010 12:01:16 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

Yea ok I know it's typical of people here to argue opinions as if they were facts but you really need to get off it PDC.

But he's right.

[singingrulebritannia]

No, in this case it truly is a matter of opinion. Whose opinion you think is more logical solely depends on which one you share.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

Actually, he is right. He's supporting his opinion with logic, something reidster didn't do. Who is he to say that the album was certified "too early?" She met the requirements and she will eventually sell 500k sooner than later, so I don't see the issue.

[wavey.]

Um an example of an early cert was Nelly's Brass Nuckles. It sold 150k-200 and was certified Gold.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

May 2, 2010 12:11:55 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Um an example of an early cert was Nelly's Brass Nuckles. It sold 150k-200 and was certified Gold.

Yep, and I don't even think his album hit 500k yet and probably won't. The rate at which Monica is going, she will eventually hit 500k. She's less than 150k away, and with the next single impacting radio soon, she will have no problem with that.

[singingrulebritannia]

May 2, 2010 12:09:16 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

Actually, he is right. He's supporting his opinion with logic, something reidster didn't do. Who is he to say that the album was certified "too early?" She met the requirements and she will eventually sell 500k sooner than later, so I don't see the issue.

The issue is you continuing to argue with reidster on something you can't possibly agree on like it still matters. It's not like he's trying to say his opinion is right, why do you care that he even thinks it?

EDIT: VV Like that matters either.

[PDC1987]

May 2, 2010 12:01:16 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

Yea ok I know it's typical of people here to argue opinions as if they were facts but you really need to get off it PDC.

I need to "get off it?"

I made two posts on the topic.

Back up off me.

[PDC1987]

May 2, 2010 12:07:10 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

No, in this case it truly is a matter of opinion. Whose opinion you think is more logical solely depends on which one you share.

I wasn't aware what I said was merely an "opinion."

[Tanisha Thomas.]

May 2, 2010 12:21:11 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

May 2, 2010 12:09:16 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

Actually, he is right. He's supporting his opinion with logic, something reidster didn't do. Who is he to say that the album was certified "too early?" She met the requirements and she will eventually sell 500k sooner than later, so I don't see the issue.

The issue is you continuing to argue with reidster on something you can't possibly agree on like it still matters. It's not like he's trying to say his opinion is right, why do you care that he even thinks it?

Because this is a messageboard. Debates are normal on sites like this. That's why.

[singingrulebritannia]

So what you're saying is, dead-end arguments happen all the time on forums so that makes them good.

Whatever then.

[Tanisha Thomas.]

May 2, 2010 12:24:59 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

So what you're saying is, dead-end arguments happen all the time on forums so that makes them good. Whatever then.

Yep.

The question should be --- why do you care so much about this debate? If you're so against it, then why even respond yourself? See, that's what I don't like about some of you wanna-be "mods." If you don't like it, then you should scroll passed it because I will continue to state my opinion regardless of how you or anyone else feel about it. I'm not hurting anyone or breaking any rules.

[3m3r7c]

Question for any of the senior members here:
How come some weeks the soundscan 200 leaks and some weeks it does not? I see the past 2 weeks it has not leaked, does this mean it will not be leaking anymore? Is there only one person that leaked it every week and now they just quit, or has it always been multiple people?

Thanks in advance for the answer.

[singingrulebritannia]

May 2, 2010 12:28:26 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

If you don't like it, then you should scroll passed it

That's not really plausible for a number of reasons, but ok. Thanks anyway for stating your intent.

[WotUNeed]

Are we really discussing discussion? Back on topic, please, and a reminder: if you think a poster is violating a rule, PM me. If you have a personal problem with someone and need to vent, PM me, talk to a friend, eat some chocolate, take a shot, shrug it off, do whatever. In any event, posting about it compounds the problem and drags us off topic. Don't do it.

[Deleted]

May 2, 2010 12:30:21 GMT -5 3m3r7c said:

Question for any of the senior members here:
How come some weeks the soundscan 200 leaks and some weeks it does not? I see the past 2 weeks it has not leaked, does this mean it will not be leaking anymore? Is there only one person that leaked it every week and now they just quit, or has it always been multiple people?

Thanks in advance for the answer.

Companies in the music industry subscribe to Soundscan. Employees of those companies have access to Soundscan. It is those employees that ocassionally leak the data.

They may post here or they may not. They may post on a blog and one of us will find it or they may not.

Soundscan is highly protective of their data and is probably the ones responsible for the infrequent posting. As there lawyers have sent cease and decist orders to these folks in the past.



We lost digital sales completely when bks left (was it lack of time like he said or did the Soundscan lawyers get to him? - who knows.)


If someone in the industry has the sales data and is willing to post it, that is when we get it. Last several years the albums data has shown up consistently enough that people still expect it but long gaps without data has been known to happen

I think digital sales data is probably gone (since bks was our only source) but album sales will be back, if not this week, probably in the next couple weeks.

[3m3r7c]

@2m

Thanks! I never knew exactly why they leaked sometimes but others not, but that really clears it up.

That sucks about the digital sales data, it was nice to have. I didn't realize soundscan was so protective of this info.

[reidster]

May 2, 2010 12:09:16 GMT -5 Tanisha Thomas. said:

Actually, he is right. He's supporting his opinion with logic, something reidster didn't do. Who is he to say that the album was certified "too early?" She met the requirements and she will eventually sell 500k sooner than later, so I don't see the issue.

Well I was quoting the RIAA which, again, states:

"The RIAA® Gold® and Platinum® Awards program was launched in 1958 in an effort to create a standard by which to measure sales of a sound recording.

In the beginning, there was only a Gold® album award for the sale of 500,000 copies. As the industry grew, other awards were developed. The Platinum® award (1,000,000 sold) was created in 1976 and with the advent of the compact disc and the subsequent increase in sales, the Multi-Platinum™ award was created in 1984.

Nowhere is there a mention of shipments, and I stand my ground. Monica hasn't sold 500k, and that is fact. Therefore, she has been certified early, because early is considered anything before 500k sold, although anything from 400-499k is reasonable. Enough of this argument plz.

[HolidayGuy]

^It's always meant sales to retailers, outlets that sell music, etc. SoundScan numbers do not dictate certifications, obviously, as certifications existed long before the tracking system's existence. On the other hand, SoundScan likely has made the process more fluid- labels now can see clearly how much a title has sold in relation to shipments.

[reidster]

May 3, 2010 17:19:52 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

^It's always meant sales to retailers, outlets that sell music, etc. SoundScan numbers do not dictate certifications, obviously, as certifications existed long before the tracking system's existence. On the other hand, SoundScan likely has made the process more fluid- labels now can see clearly how much a title has sold in relation to shipments.

Thank you. :)

[David]

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