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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 3, 2010 0:24:09 GMT -5
Now up to #2 with a 142+ bullet ??? Very strange for a lead single from a live album + such a mediocre tune. I agree. This is a real head-scratcher. It isn't like it has its digital appeal either. On the week of the release of "Time For Annihilation", "Burn" outdid this in digital sales strength. I suppose this just comes to show they're one of the last bands you'd want to underestimate, especially coming off the heels of two of their worst-charting singles to date. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 3, 2010 1:47:23 GMT -5
I suppose this just comes to show they're one of the last bands you'd want to underestimate, especially coming off the heels of two of their worst-charting singles to date. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I'm going to argue that this shows something totally different...which is one of the two following options: 1) Radio programmers overestimate the likability and popularity of "Kick In The Teeth" (and the last three Papa Roach albums in general). Not only are the sales poor, the rate-the-music active rock survey doesn't even have this song in the top 10, and considering how much exposure this song has had, it's not like they just needed to give it more time to sink in. And it never was doing well, so it's not that people got sick of it either. 2) P***** That concludes my analysis.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Oct 3, 2010 9:45:22 GMT -5
Surprised really? Hasn't the lead single from all 6 of their albums gone top 5? I expected this to hit #2 at least before even hearing it. Then when I did hear it the instant radio friendliness of it made it look like an instant #1.
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Post by Ron57 on Oct 3, 2010 12:37:23 GMT -5
Surprised really? Hasn't the lead single from all 6 of their albums gone top 5? I expected this to hit #2 at least before even hearing it. Then when I did hear it the instant radio friendliness of it made it look like an instant #1. Their first album didn't even have any singles. So i don't know what you're smoking.. Also...To Be Loved didn't reach top 5.
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 3, 2010 14:00:11 GMT -5
Surprised really? Hasn't the lead single from all 6 of their albums gone top 5? I expected this to hit #2 at least before even hearing it. Then when I did hear it the instant radio friendliness of it made it look like an instant #1. Besides what hasn't already been said, this is the lead single from a non-studio album. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by Devin on Oct 3, 2010 14:00:23 GMT -5
Surprised really? Hasn't the lead single from all 6 of their albums gone top 5? I expected this to hit #2 at least before even hearing it. Then when I did hear it the instant radio friendliness of it made it look like an instant #1. Their first album didn't even have any singles. So i don't know what you're smoking.. Also "...To Be Loved" didn't reach top 5. and "Hollywood Whore" only made it to like #37. You probably meant that there was a Top 5 hit on every album besides the first one.
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Post by singingsparrow on Oct 3, 2010 14:09:31 GMT -5
I suppose this just comes to show they're one of the last bands you'd want to underestimate, especially coming off the heels of two of their worst-charting singles to date. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I'm going to argue that this shows something totally different...which is one of the two following options: 1) Radio programmers overestimate the likability and popularity of "Kick In The Teeth" (and the last three Papa Roach albums in general). Not only are the sales poor, the rate-the-music active rock survey doesn't even have this song in the top 10, and considering how much exposure this song has had, it's not like they just needed to give it more time to sink in. And it never was doing well, so it's not that people got sick of it either. 2) P***** That concludes my analysis. Though your point makes sense, the single has been holding its own, regardless, as it debuted strongly but not as strongly as some previous lead singles, for a period of time wrestled with Buckcherry and Godsmack in entering the Top Ten just below that threshold, then sort of languished at the bottom of the Top Ten before suddenly re-booting. "Kick in the Teeth" has demonstrated some chart legs compared to previous lead singles from Papa Roach, and that's where your overestimation analysis may be slightly off the mark. Regarding your second point, I have no idea which word is being censored! ;) Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 3, 2010 15:03:17 GMT -5
What I'm arguing isn't that its chart performance isn't impressive. You speak of all the obstacles it's had to overcome and its duration to be able to hold out this long. All I'm arguing is that this performance does not reflect how radio-listeners actually feel about the song in reality. This is based on a fantasy world where radio listeners obviously prefer Papa Roach to Bullet For My Valentine, Sevendust, Five Finger Death Punch, etc....which is delusional considering this single has outperformed all those bands' singles other than 5FDP's "Bad Company"...and if you look at sales, concert figures, and rate-the-music surveys...you'd see Papa Roach rounding out the bottom of the list.
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Post by pen on Oct 3, 2010 17:36:50 GMT -5
Actually, I do prefer Papa Roach to Bullet and Five Finger. But I'm also not a radio listener.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 3, 2010 18:06:50 GMT -5
I like Papa Roach better than 5FDP too, but the average active rock radio listener goes the other way on that. And I only like Papa Roach better because they have at least occasionally released a song that I've liked. This isn't one of them. With the exception of the INFEST era, they have averaged fewer than one single per album that I've rooted for on the charts. 5FDP hasn't anything that I've rooted for since "The Bleeding".
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Post by pen on Oct 3, 2010 18:47:06 GMT -5
I like Papa Roach better than 5FDP too, but the average active rock radio listener goes the other way on that. And I only like Papa Roach better because they have at least occasionally released a song that I've liked. This isn't one of them. With the exception of the INFEST era, they have averaged fewer than one single per album that I've rooted for on the charts. 5FDP hasn't anything that I've rooted for since "The Bleeding". Wow, really? I think the only singles I've disliked from Papa Roach have been the ones from Metamorphosis, and even then at least they chose the most logical options out of a terrible album. As for Five Finger, I think I like their single options but overall they just don't impress me that much. Motograter was a much better project.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Oct 3, 2010 19:12:00 GMT -5
I agree with you about Motograter. As far as Papa Roach goes, here are the singles that I've liked:
"Last Resort" (at the time, though now I don't care for it) "Broken Home" "Between Angels & Insects)
"She Loves Me Not" "Time And Time Again" "Getting Away With Murder
"Scars" "Take Me" (borderline)
"To Be Loved"
"Forever"
"Time Is Running Out"
"Reckless" "Hollywood Whore" (borderline...I liked the riff, not really the song, but it's my favorite out of the last three releases, which speaks poorly of the other songs)
"Lifeline"
"I Almost Told You That I Loved You"
"Had Enough"
"Kick In The Teeth"
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Post by Pipa on Oct 3, 2010 19:55:02 GMT -5
Regarding your second point, I have no idea which word is being censored! ;) Must of been phones. That or payola. Take your pick.
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Post by pen on Oct 3, 2010 20:04:17 GMT -5
I agree with you about Motograter. As far as Papa Roach goes, here are the singles that I've liked: "Last Resort" "Broken Home" "Between Angels & Insects "She Loves Me Not" "Time And Time Again""Getting Away With Murder "Scars" "Take Me" "To Be Loved" "Forever" "Time Is Running Out" "Reckless" "Hollywood Whore" "Lifeline" "I Almost Told You That I Loved You""Had Enough""Kick In The Teeth" Altered to reflect mine. You really don't like any of the singles from Paramour Sessions? That makes me such a sad panda. Seriously.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Oct 3, 2010 20:46:20 GMT -5
Would be a nice tournament.
My favorite five are Getting Away With Murder, Last Resort, She Loves Me Not, ...To Be Loved, and Kick In The Teeth.
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Post by Ron57 on Oct 3, 2010 23:27:51 GMT -5
Their first album didn't even have any singles. So i don't know what you're smoking.. Also "...To Be Loved" didn't reach top 5. and "Hollywood Whore" only made it to like #37. You probably meant that there was a Top 5 hit on every album besides the first one. Hollywood Whore didn't go for adds first did it? I thought that Lifeline was the first official single.
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Post by pen on Oct 4, 2010 7:29:15 GMT -5
and "Hollywood Whore" only made it to like #37. You probably meant that there was a Top 5 hit on every album besides the first one. Hollywood Whore didn't go for adds first did it? I thought that Lifeline was the first official single. Whore did get some airplay IIRC. Also Geffen must've thought of it as a single since it was included on the greatest hits comp along with the video they made for it.
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