David
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Post by David on May 27, 2010 12:45:05 GMT -5
LMAO. They really did correct it! Yeah and everyone's was off. They must of have missed a month or 2 of data and it just so happened to be Carrie's 2 best months. lol |
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libri
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Post by libri on May 27, 2010 15:47:22 GMT -5
I'm guessing you were referring to this Billboard article: www.allbusiness.com/services/amusement-recreation-services/4713082-1.htmlKelly didn't make over $50 m in 2005. She was #18 with revenue of over $39 m. Revenue is not profit. It's the money she generated from music sales and concert receipts, not the money that she pocketed. The latter would've been a fraction of that amount since artists only make money from their music sales when/if their royalty exceeds their share of promo costs + advance, and they generally pocket "only" 25% - 33% of the tour receipts. Anyway, I think this Forbes list is a joke. The numbers are way too high. I only read up to JHud. Hers is the only one that seems plausible since she'd had movies and endorsements. Carrie's probably isn't too far off. Kelly's and Daughtry's are way too high. And there's no way Jordin and Kellie Picker made $3.7 m and $7.6 m, respectively. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kellie was touring as an opener, wasn't she? Opening slots don't pay much , if at all. It seems like the list-maker just looked at the idols' schedules and then made a wild guess without taking into account their respective real drawing power. I read that Kellie has (had?) endorsements worth millions and that she charges around $50000 per show. She does many additional shows on her own and has sold out 7k arenas in the past. Touring with Taylor Swift will bring in more money and she may be on a small percentage take as well as they are supposed to be friends. Also she is not the type of opening act that is seeking exposure, who often tour for free or even pay the headliner, as she is well known herself. Add all that to her publishing (~400k radio spins etc ), TV appearances, and record sales take and I could imagine that she is a hefty earner of that magnitude. Unless it's a high profile endorsement, it isn't gonna worth millions. No, Kellie isn't an unknown opener, but she ain't no Carrie (during her opening days) who sold millions and drew her own substantial audience. Even if she gets $50k a gig, she'd pocket half that amount at most, since she has to pay for her band, management and agent. 100 gigs wouldn't have made her anywhere near $7.6 m. Artists don't get paid for radio spins and TV appearances usually only pay a minimal amount that won't even cover the gig's costs. Her record sales wouldn't have earned her anything much beyond her advance, which couldn't have been a big amount. Okay. And based on what data would you use to determine their real drawing power? Forbes doesn't have access to their accounts so it's all estimates using published charts like Billboard. Kellie Pickler has opened for some big arena country draws including Swift. Given the amount Taylor pulls in and the two being good friends I could easily speculate she's well compensated. Jordin I know has some endorsements. Kelly and Daughtry headline their own shows (to more then a couple thousand a night). And both had new music out this year. This list seems more accurate then the last one to be honest. 600k for an Idol winner (as the last stated) given the special endorsements they are given was a little hard to believe. That's the thing, I don't think they even looked at available reports such as Billboard Boxscores, etc. Daughtry, for example, based on reports, their concerts on average grossed no more than $200k/night, which would've made them $50-60k/night. LiveDaily lists ~75 Daughtry gigs; those would net them ~ $4.5 m. Their music isn't exactly selling gangbusters and their advance would've got them a couple of mil at the very most. A far cry from over $10 m. Ditto Kelly. |
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Post by vandj4ever on May 27, 2010 16:00:04 GMT -5
Well if you are certain the figures are wrong the option is to do what the Carrie fans did. Contact Forbes and explain how the figures can't possibly be correct. Good luck. :)
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Post by brb on May 27, 2010 16:20:21 GMT -5
The reasons? Though Adam's album sold more than twice as many copies as Kris' there is little money to be made through CD sales, especially if you're just the performer. Songwriters and producers get their cut first. Once you subtract the label's grab there's little left for the artist unless the album sells in the millions and few artists manage that these days. Actually, your calculations aren't true and aren't the reason. Adam is behind 4 songs of his album, not including the bonus tracks, and Kris is behind 9, so overall since Adam sold about X2.15 more albums than Kris already, this difference is almost offset. The reason why Kris is above Adam in this list is that Kris won. Forbes are basing their calculations on the season 7 contracts, where the winner gets $350K just for recording the album and the runner up gets only $150K.. and I assume there might be a difference in the amount of money they get for each sold album as well and perhaps in the money they earn from each tour stop as well. Adam might be really close to Kris but those additional $200K Kris got have placed him higher in the list. Poor 19 and Jive are losing money on Kris' album, since he didn't even sell 350K albums yet.  |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 27, 2010 16:29:09 GMT -5
I am not sure which of the three lists floating around is accurate, but I do know that salaries for artists can seem strange from year to year. Like, sometimes they are paid upfront for stuff so they look like they made a lot for a year even if they weren't that successful for the year. Sometimes the real money takes FOREVER to reach the artist. Like, let us take Carrie-some of her money was probably royalties from her last cd, endorsements, and upfront money for this cd. But, in the next year or two she will probably receive the actual profits that she deserves from Play On-not this year. Does that make sense? Merch and endorsements can also be huge and paid either upfront or a year or two after completion. That may be why some people seem way too low and others entirely too high-just how the years and the pay time periods fall can make it seem that way.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2010 21:09:21 GMT -5
I read that Kellie has (had?) endorsements worth millions and that she charges around $50000 per show. She does many additional shows on her own and has sold out 7k arenas in the past. Touring with Taylor Swift will bring in more money and she may be on a small percentage take as well as they are supposed to be friends. Also she is not the type of opening act that is seeking exposure, who often tour for free or even pay the headliner, as she is well known herself. Add all that to her publishing (~400k radio spins etc ), TV appearances, and record sales take and I could imagine that she is a hefty earner of that magnitude. Unless it's a high profile endorsement, it isn't gonna worth millions. No, Kellie isn't an unknown opener, but she ain't no Carrie (during her opening days) who sold millions and drew her own substantial audience. Even if she gets $50k a gig, she'd pocket half that amount at most, since she has to pay for her band, management and agent. 100 gigs wouldn't have made her anywhere near $7.6 m. Artists don't get paid for radio spins and TV appearances usually only pay a minimal amount that won't even cover the gig's costs. Her record sales wouldn't have earned her anything much beyond her advance, which couldn't have been a big amount. Okay. And based on what data would you use to determine their real drawing power? Forbes doesn't have access to their accounts so it's all estimates using published charts like Billboard. Kellie Pickler has opened for some big arena country draws including Swift. Given the amount Taylor pulls in and the two being good friends I could easily speculate she's well compensated. Jordin I know has some endorsements. Kelly and Daughtry headline their own shows (to more then a couple thousand a night). And both had new music out this year. This list seems more accurate then the last one to be honest. 600k for an Idol winner (as the last stated) given the special endorsements they are given was a little hard to believe. That's the thing, I don't think they even looked at available reports such as Billboard Boxscores, etc. Daughtry, for example, based on reports, their concerts on average grossed no more than $200k/night, which would've made them $50-60k/night. LiveDaily lists ~75 Daughtry gigs; those would net them ~ $4.5 m. Their music isn't exactly selling gangbusters and their advance would've got them a couple of mil at the very most. A far cry from over $10 m. Ditto Kelly. That's just one of her endorsements. She also does private gigs, and writes or co-writes alot of her stuff which means publishing roalties. Kellie get's paid when her song get's radio play. And her touring deal, CD sales, appearance fee's....I tend to believe Forbes(even though they fudged before). |
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Post by rosemoor on Jun 3, 2010 16:40:51 GMT -5
An opening act making millions on tour? That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. I used to intern at this lawyer's office who works for this booker a lot to draft performance contracts. Most opening acts got paid in hundreds, a few thousands top, and the hotter the headliner's tour, the less room for the opener to negotiate the price. Granted, it was 5 years ago, but from what I heard, the trend is actually getting worse, a lots of headliner started charging bands for opening slot.
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Post by Rumors on Jun 3, 2010 17:08:12 GMT -5
a lots of headliner started charging bands for opening slot. That's probably the third and fourth act on a bill but I think that is how it works. Labels will pay to get a new act on a good tour with an established artist. Take all this with a grain of salt. I read recently that this lists are just all over the place. They base their figures on what is publically published (like box office numbers) but they can only get the full financial picture if someone volunteers the information. Most celebrities do not but it's fun for fans to look at anyway. ;) |
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Post by tsharky on Jun 4, 2010 17:26:13 GMT -5
Carrie said she was paid very well by Kenny Chesney when she opened for him in 2006.
I think Forbes forgot about Carrie's movie royalties and her Fox Xmas special, for which she was paid quite well. I am not sure how much How I Met your Mother paid her for being a celebrity guest, but that is just an example of how many things Forbes forgets to add in.
Also I think Kelly Clarkson and Daughtry do alot of private gigs they are paid for as well as Carrie.
Carrie, Kelly, and Daughtry have been writing alot of songs too, and they also get songwriting royalties.
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Post by rosemoor on Jun 5, 2010 12:15:37 GMT -5
Carrie said she was paid very well by Kenny Chesney when she opened for him in 2006. LOL what do you expect her to say in public? ;) |
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Post by wunderkind on Jun 14, 2010 2:07:43 GMT -5
It says Kelly has sold 16.1 million digital tracks in the US... does anybody know how many Carrie has sold? I know Carrie has sold more CDs in the US, but last I heard she was behind Kelly in digital sales.
During the last two weeks, Carrie's catalog has sold nearly 100k singles per week (mainly Undo It, but Cowboy Casanova, Temporary Home, Before He Cheats and All-American Girl are still selling well). I'm just wondering how long it will be until Carrie becomes the top Idol for digital single sales (or if she's close).
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