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Post by Gravity. on Jun 25, 2010 13:56:08 GMT -5
I used to really like this song back when I first heard it...in October. It's been almost a year and it has overstayed its welcome on HAC/CHR/AC. I would never wish ill things toward people I don't know, but I'd rather this song not become a country hit. The remix isn't very good and I think that it makes Pat's voice more annoying that usual.
Does it really make sense for a song going to country to have shout outs to Madonna, Mr. Mister, and the other 80s pop stars referenced?
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jun 25, 2010 14:14:47 GMT -5
Does it really make sense for a song going to country to have shout outs to Madonna, Mr. Mister, and the other 80s pop stars referenced? Why should that be a bad thing? Countless country singers have openly admitted they didn't listen exclusively to country when they were growing up.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 25, 2010 15:38:45 GMT -5
Why should that be a bad thing? Countless country singers have openly admitted they didn't listen exclusively to country when they were growing up. Most of them don't put those references in their songs though... usually thats reserved solely for name-checking country artists, like Johnny Cash and Patsy Cline Madonna being name-checked in a country song sounds completely out-of-place... likewise, I don't expect to ever hear a Madonna song mentioning George Strait and Carrie Underwood
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Post by kw9461 on Jun 25, 2010 15:57:26 GMT -5
Lonestar's "You Walked In" name drops Madonna and many other celebs relevant at the time.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 25, 2010 16:02:15 GMT -5
Lonestar is hardly the artist to look to when debating whether country songs drop non-country acts names in the lyrics
I'm not saying it can't happen, but if it does it would seem either out-of-place or its in a song that's not all that country to start with... another example of name-checking Madonna would be "You, You, You" by Julianne Hough (easily one of the worst songs on her album)
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 25, 2010 16:09:06 GMT -5
Lonestar is hardly the artist to look to when debating whether country songs drop non-country acts names in the lyrics I'm not saying it can't happen, but if it does it would seem either out-of-place or its in a song that's not all that country to start with... another example of name-checking Madonna would be "You, You, You" by Julianne Hough (easily one of the worst songs on her album) Lonestar's first #1, No News namechecks The Band, Pearl Jam, the Grateful Dead, and a Parrot Head (Jimmy Buffett).
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 25, 2010 16:19:45 GMT -5
"You Walked In" and "No News" are consderably more "country" than plenty of songs on the charts these days. Lonestar chased crossover after "Amazed." They, like many bands, had pop influences but until "Amazed" they were still 'twangy.'
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 25, 2010 16:26:10 GMT -5
"You Walked In" and "No News" are consderably more "country" than plenty of songs on the charts these days. Lonestar chased crossover after "Amazed." They, like many bands, had pop influences but until "Amazed" they were still 'twangy.' Agreed. But Lonestar chased crossover success with Amazed because it charted twice (on the pop charts). The original did not do so well, so they remixed it and it went to #1 on the pop charts and #2 on the A.C. charts in 2000.
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Post by Gravity. on Jun 25, 2010 21:35:20 GMT -5
Does it really make sense for a song going to country to have shout outs to Madonna, Mr. Mister, and the other 80s pop stars referenced? Why should that be a bad thing? Countless country singers have openly admitted they didn't listen exclusively to country when they were growing up. I didn't say it was a bad thing, it's just odd.
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Post by gcizvolsfan on Jun 25, 2010 21:50:08 GMT -5
Its interesting that so many people dont want pop crossover's in country music, but they want country singers to crossover to other formats. Maybe their posters dont want the country singers....lol.
Back in the day...Dolly, Willie, and others that crossed over to the pop chart did not remix their songs. They were played the same on both formats. Just shows how much radio has changed.
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Post by someguy on Jun 25, 2010 22:04:37 GMT -5
I don't mind the "country mix" of "Hey, Soul Sister". I like the original a fair bit, and if it can be a hit on country radio, then I'm glad, because a good song is a good song. I'm also pleasantly surprised by the Dixie Chicks' live cover.
If country radio is open, I can see this making the top 20. I can also see it not charting at all.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jun 26, 2010 2:33:50 GMT -5
Its interesting that so many people dont want pop crossover's in country music, but they want country singers to crossover to other formats. Maybe their posters dont want the country singers....lol. The often-labeled "pop" charts aren't solely reserved for pop music, hence why for a while (2005-2009) they had a Pop 100 for that reason The Hot 100 is not a pop music chart, it is a collection of all genres... rap, RnB, dance, country, etc. all chart on it in addition to their respective genre charts So a pop song should not crossover onto a genre chart it doesn't belong in my opinion, but I don't see how a country song charting on the Hot 100 all-genre chart is a big deal (in fact, it makes sense) Besides, to crossover into country music you specifically have to release the song to that format, while charting on the "pop" charts occurs when a song is high on the country chart (which means its getting a lot of airplay, since from what I understand country music is played more than any other genre) or from music downloads
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 26, 2010 9:17:45 GMT -5
Indulge,
I think they are talking more about "pop" crossovers as song that are played on Pop/AC Top 40 charts first, not the Hot 100 which is a sales chart.
If radio starts to play it, I can see this one becoming a hit on country radio too. It's so familiar it might get non country fans hooked on country too.
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Post by countryfan2002 on Jun 26, 2010 9:19:28 GMT -5
This goes for adds on July 12th.
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Post by onebuffalo on Jun 26, 2010 9:24:31 GMT -5
I'll put it to everyone this way: If country radio had time to play Bon Jovi in 2006 and the Eagles in 2007, why not Train in 2010?
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Post by bamafan2102 on Jun 27, 2010 22:13:45 GMT -5
Love the song, album and band. There have been tons of album cuts that I thought they could have released to country. If anyone here is new to Pat Monahan, you should go to youtube and search "Always Midnight". He does the song with no music and no mic. It's amazing.
I am glad that David Nail released I'm About to Come Alive and really wish it would have done better. I think that Pat Monahan is a great songwriter. Maybe someone will go back and release another album cut in the future.
As for this song, I hear very little differences but I do think country radio should eat this up.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Jun 27, 2010 22:16:46 GMT -5
^The biggest difference I heard was the addition of fiddle and banjo. Also, the ukulele line is now a mandolin, but that's a rather subtle difference.
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Post by singingsparrow on Jun 28, 2010 1:39:33 GMT -5
Ever since I first purchased their debut record before they exploded in popularity with their sophomore album, I have believed Train is really a band that is just as much country-pop at its core than adult contemporary rock.
Their debut album sounds remarkably different from all their other albums to date in that it features a minimalist production sound and a heavy alternative country leaning (listen to "Homesick", "Days", "Swing" and "Rat" in particular and you'll get the idea). Even after "Meet Virginia" exploded and they've since waved goodbye long ago to more scaled-back production in favor of radio-ready gloss, "Drops of Jupiter", really, sounds like something that would fit hand in glove with the general sound of other country groups like Lady Antebellum. "She's On Fire" sounds straight-up twang rock, with "I Wish You Would" and "It's About You" also radio-ready country-pop.
That said, I don't understand why they're launching their attempt at a crossover into Country radio with this track. Why would lyrics like "You're so gangster, I'm so thug!" expect to resonate on this format?
Interestingly enough, "Save Me, San Francisco" doesn't have the kind of obvious potential Country-ready cuts their earlier albums did. I'd say "Parachute" would work the best of the tracks as far as getting a Country makeover is concerned, both because of the sound reminiscent of the "Drops of Jupiter" era and because of the patriotic nod of the track. Beyond that, "If It's Love" is too lyrically goofy and stream-of-consciousness sounding to work, for instance, while "This Ain't Goodbye" sounds too Adult Contemporary.
Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 28, 2010 8:33:06 GMT -5
Lisping Hibsicus,
The song is one whole attempt at a pick-up line so the awkward "You're So Gangsta, I'm so thug" makes sense when filtered through that lense but as with many Train songs, the lyrics don't always need to make sense to be enjoyable.
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Post by joey2002 on Jun 28, 2010 12:05:06 GMT -5
I've always thought that 3 Doors Down could crossover to country with some of their songs -- namely "Here Without You", and also "Away From The Sun". If not, I've been waiting for a country artist to cover "Here Without You".
Maybe Jason Mraz will try releasing a country version of "I'm Yours"...
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Post by rsmatto on Jun 28, 2010 12:18:18 GMT -5
Joey,
I can picture Aldean releasing "Here Without You."
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Post by joey2002 on Jun 28, 2010 12:37:39 GMT -5
Joey, I can picture Aldean releasing "Here Without You." Good Call. Aldean's version would probably be even more amped up than the original...
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Post by Jonsolo on Jun 28, 2010 12:44:04 GMT -5
[LISTEN] Train - "Hey, Soul Sister (Country Mix)" (Allaccess) Is this officially the link for the country mix version of the song? I couldn't really hear much difference between it and the original version. Maybe I need to just listen closer, flipping back and forth between original and "mix", on my iTunes library. Also, it's not yet posted on the Allaccess Country page, in their Cool New Music section. But mainly, I see that in the link to it, it contains "traiheys". Normally in the allaccess song links, they will take the first four letters of the artist's name, and the first four letters of the song's title, and put them together for the allaccess link. Then, anytime a new version of the song arrives, mainly for country songs being re-mixed for the other formats, they'll have a new link with those eight letters followed by a "2". For example, the original Lady Antebellum link for Run To You contained "ladyirun", when it was in the Country's Cool New Music section of AllAccess during the last four months of last year. Now, there's a "radio edit" version listed on the Adult Contemporary Cool New Music section, and it contains "ladyirun2". Plus, there's a Pop Mix version of the song on the Top 40/M Cool New Music section, and it's listed as "ladyirun4". (I guess the "3" version was the Spanish language version of the song.....). So I'm just wondering why the link that kevin provided would have apparently the same eight letter string, "traiheys", in it that I'm guessing the original version's link had, and not something like "traiheys2", that would seem more appropriate for a new mix version of the song. But maybe the original link was actually something different, this is indeed the "country version", and I just need to clear the wax out of my ears to hear the differences....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2010 14:03:07 GMT -5
According to chart highlight on Billboard, the song debuts at #60 this week. That means some stations are playing the song already. I really like the original version of the song, and I expect that it will have a great success on country chart. Now I can't wait to hear the country version. Does anyone know any sources? I think the song from the source above is the original version.
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Post by themayor on Jun 28, 2010 15:54:37 GMT -5
As an MD, this is one of the songs that I'm putting my foot down. No more pseudo country. If enough of us will do that, maybe Nashville will give us more artists like George Strait or Alan Jackson....not some rocker wannabe that tones it down enough to get some airplay.
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Post by countryfan2002 on Jun 28, 2010 16:31:08 GMT -5
[LISTEN] Train - "Hey, Soul Sister (Country Mix)" (Allaccess) Is this officially the link for the country mix version of the song? I couldn't really hear much difference between it and the original version. Maybe my I need to just listen closer, flipping back and forth between original and "mix", on my iTunes library. Also, it's not yet posted on the Allaccess Country page, in their Cool New Music section. But mainly, I see that in the link to it, it contains "traiheys". Normally in the allaccess song links, they will take the first four letters of the artist's name, and the first four letters of the song's title, and put them together for the allaccess link. Then, anytime a new version of the song arrives, mainly for country songs being re-mixed for the other formats, they'll have a new link with those eight letters followed by a "2". For example, the original Lady Antebellum link for Run To You contained "ladyirun", when it was in the Country's Cool New Music section of AllAccess during the last four months of last year. Now, there's a "radio edit" version listed on the Adult Contemporary Cool New Music section, and it contains "ladyirun2". Plus, there's a Pop Mix version of the song on the Top 40/M Cool New Music section, and it's listed as "ladyirun4". (I guess the "3" version was the Spanish language version of the song.....). So I'm just wondering why the link that kevin provided would have apparently the same eight letter string, "traiheys", in it that I'm guessing the original version's link had, and not something like "traiheys2", that would seem more appropriate for a new mix version of the song. But maybe the original link was actually something different, this is indeed the "country version", and I just need to clear the wax out of my ears to hear the differences.... The version Kevin posted is not the country version, but it is the version that allaccess has listed as the country version. Probably just an error on their part. And just to let you know, the '3' version of Lady A's "I Run To You" was the Hot Adult Contemporary Mix that was sent out last year. themayor, if anything, I'd say that there are artists like Alan Jackson and George Strait out there. Easton Corbin, to state the obvious. I stated this before and will state it again - This song is not be the most country song ever. The production may be somewhat country, but the vocal is none country. Neither are the lyrics, but I think the adversity in this song on country is what makes it good. We all complain about the production in Jason Aldean's songs. We all complain about the lyrics in Justin Moore's songs. And then we all complain about the recent genericy on country radio. In my honest opinion, this song is quite refreshing from that.
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Post by musicbuff78 on Jun 28, 2010 16:50:34 GMT -5
As an MD, this is one of the songs that I'm putting my foot down. No more pseudo country. If enough of us will do that, maybe Nashville will give us more artists like George Strait or Alan Jackson....not some rocker wannabe that tones it down enough to get some airplay. I would disagree. I think we need artists out there that are more refreshing, not ones that tend to send the same boring things to radio....and I could care less if they aren't a "country" act. As long as it's good, I'm all for listening to it, which....this song is.
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Post by bamafan2102 on Jun 28, 2010 23:37:18 GMT -5
As an MD, this is one of the songs that I'm putting my foot down. No more pseudo country. If enough of us will do that, maybe Nashville will give us more artists like George Strait or Alan Jackson....not some rocker wannabe that tones it down enough to get some airplay. Yes...just what we need. Another artist to sing about the hard working, American country boy. I am a huge fan of Alan but for the love...enough already. How about some Between the Devil and Me and Hole in the Wall type stuff. My whole stance on this is, if you don't like what you hear on your radio, there are many other stations to listen to. I hardly listen to radio anymore anyway because my local station is boring so I just plug in the mp3 player. Being an uber Train fan, I love the fact that this is getting pushed to country. What I love is the fact that there are PD's and MD's out there that will refuse to play this, then when it reaches the top 20 and they start getting call after call about this song, they will start playing it. If they don't, the competition will be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2010 14:51:44 GMT -5
I'm excited to hear the country version of this song now, since the link was the original version. I listened to it and thought maybe I heard some differences, but that they were really small, but it was just my ears trying to find differences that weren't there. In the end I was disappointed, so I hope now I won't be if I can hear a good version of this song soon! Anyway, Train came shooting up out of nowhere to sneak in at #60 on this week's BB chart, and if this song can have a week this week like the one it just had, it could have a nice jump to the low 50's, or maybe even into the top 50 already. George is starting to get some more adds, but I think Train could pass him up at least for a while. Randy Houser is dropping, WR and Jewel will be lucky if they can hang in the top 60 this week, while Bomshel and Frankie are posting smaller gains. Train's song certainly looks good in this morning's MB update.
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Post by Dustin J. on Jun 30, 2010 20:32:41 GMT -5
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