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Post by Joe1240 on Sept 2, 2010 0:07:47 GMT -5
Yes! Taylor's performance at CMA Fest of "Mine" is amazing. Such a great performance. :)
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Post by josuem1415 on Sept 2, 2010 0:12:27 GMT -5
I must be the only one who is waiting for the album to come out in order to hear all the songs.
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Post by neally on Sept 2, 2010 0:14:21 GMT -5
That performance sound as good (or better) than the record- flawless. There were times where it sounded pitch-corrected to me, especially in the choruses. Am I hearing things or can anyone comment on this ?
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Sept 2, 2010 0:19:26 GMT -5
I hear it too Neally. But to me it actually sounds like she's singing along to the record. It's just too flawless and hard for me to believe, almost like if they dubbed good audio over the live performance.
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Post by Stephen on Sept 2, 2010 0:20:28 GMT -5
I'm 99% there is a pitch corrector being used. Honestly, I think it's good though. She has an excellent tone and it is better that people hear that. The only thing is that at times she sounds too clear, yanno? Eh. She sounded great and I found her part about the 14.5 hr autograph signing so endearing.
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Post by BurnItUp (with Kerosene) on Sept 2, 2010 0:36:45 GMT -5
Just saw it on the West Coast. Pretty sure it was vocally dubbed; the clarity was just not natural sounding at all for a live performance and there were certain moments where it didn't look like her mouth was lining up with the song (plus @2:25 where they obviously put two takes together -- how'd they miss that while editing?).
The thing is I don't know why they did it; I know she struggles in certain live performances, but this is the type of performance she seems to excel at vocally (intimate/fan performances).
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 2, 2010 0:48:10 GMT -5
She isn't singing along to the record; her vocals are live (even if at times aided by a "pitch corrector"). From what I've heard about pitch correctors, they're used fairly often in the music industry. Her vocals do sound crystal clear for the most part, which I attributed to a really good microphone setup. I suppose I need to be suspicious of other performances from other artists whose voices seemed a bit too clear in certain performances. Either way, hopefully she'll deliver quite a few live performances of this song on various televised programs and a few of those (if not all) will be quite good so that she can appease some of those who constantly question every good performance she delivers (and use them to combat the few bad performances she's relentlessly ridiculed for). there were certain moments where it didn't look like her mouth was lining up with the song (plus @2:25 where they obviously put two takes together -- how'd they miss that while editing?). ... I noticed neither of the two things you pointed out in the video, at all (even after viewing the video again and specifically focusing on the 2:25 mark).
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Post by Stephen on Sept 2, 2010 0:49:59 GMT -5
No one denied they were used often, just that she uses one. Hell, Shania used one and was open about it. I think it's smart for her to use them. It highlights her tone and allows her to always give a respectable showing. That way, we don't have the Grammys all over again.
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Post by Gravity. on Sept 2, 2010 0:57:24 GMT -5
No one denied they were used often, just that she uses one. Hell, Shania used one and was open about it. I think it's smart for her to use them. It highlights her tone and allows her to always give a respectable showing. That way, we don't have the Grammys all over again. If I give you seven dollars, will you promise not to mention the Grammys performance ever again?
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 2, 2010 0:57:37 GMT -5
I think it's smart for her to use them. It highlights her tone and allows her to always give a respectable showing. That way, we don't have the Grammys all over again. Eh. She has the ability to deliver good vocals without the use of a pitch corrector. There are performances available on Youtube that showcase this perfectly (an acoustic performance of "White Horse" and her performance at the George Strait tribute concert for starters). Either way, I can't say I'd blame her for using one considering the ridiculously negative feedback she received for one single performance (a performance that forever branded her as a "horrible singer" in the eyes of many).
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Post by neally on Sept 2, 2010 0:59:37 GMT -5
She isn't singing along to the record; her vocals are live (even if at times aided by a "pitch corrector"). From what I've heard about pitch correctors, they're used fairly often in the music industry. Her vocals do sound crystal clear for the most part, which I attributed to a really good microphone setup. I suppose I need to be suspicious of other performances from other artists whose voices seemed a bit too clear in certain performances. Either way, hopefully she'll deliver quite a few live performances of this song on various televised programs and a few of those (if not all) will be quite good so that she can appease some of those who constantly question every good performance she delivers (and use them to combat the few bad performances she's relentlessly ridiculed for). there were certain moments where it didn't look like her mouth was lining up with the song (plus @2:25 where they obviously put two takes together -- how'd they miss that while editing?). ... I noticed neither of the two things you pointed out in the video, at all (even after viewing the video again and specifically focusing on the 2:25 mark). I also do not feel that she is singing to a backtrack, but in that youtube video, scroll to the first chorus to 0:42 and listen to "arm around me" and more notably at 0:47 "for the first time". I think the 0:47 mark sounds quite corrected. The verses do not sound very corrected though and the second chorus sounds less corrected than the first chrous, although is audible at 1:34 "by the water"- the shakiness is sounds computer-generated. I have also heard loads of very good performances from Taylor, especially acoustic performances, where she shines in songs like 'Tim McGraw', 'Fearless, 'White Horse', 'Fifteen'. ETA: I feel Taylor was robbed more than anyone else for CMA Entertainer of the Year category. She is the only true international country superstar, has probably the biggest (or second biggest) touring numbers in country and in the top 3-5 in music of all genres.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 2, 2010 1:07:43 GMT -5
I also do not feel that she is singing to a backtrack, but in that youtube video, scroll to the first chorus to 0:42 and listen to "arm around me" and more notably at 0:47 "for the first time". I think the 0:47 mark sounds quite corrected. The verses do not sound very corrected though and the second chorus sounds less corrected than the first chrous, although is audible at 1:34 "by the water"- the shakiness is sounds computer-generated. Yeah, I don't deny she most-likely used a pitch corrector. I can hear it clearly in the first "mine" following the 1:34 mark you highlighted. I was simply disagreeing with the notion that she sang along to a backtrack (as well as the notion that the video was spliced and her words didn't match her mouth at points throughout the video).
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Post by BurnItUp (with Kerosene) on Sept 2, 2010 1:12:09 GMT -5
Her vocals do sound crystal clear for the most part, which I attributed to a really good microphone setup. I suppose I need to be suspicious of other performances from other artists whose voices seemed a bit too clear in certain performances. It's not just the clear sound; there's also a "softness" that I noticed that makes me think it wasn't completely live. Eh, I don't know...it's hard to explain; I've seen it in other performances with other well-known country artists too. Both pitch corrector and vocal tracks are common, but I think sometimes they're overkill and aren't necessary. there were certain moments where it didn't look like her mouth was lining up with the song (plus @2:25 where they obviously put two takes together -- how'd they miss that while editing?). ... I noticed neither of the two things you pointed out in the video, at all (even after viewing the video again and specifically focusing on the 2:25 mark). At the 2:25 mark they do a cut from far away to closer, and her right hand (left side of the screen) changes position from being at her side to being on the mic. Which isn't really a slight against her as much as the editor for not catching it. I can't view the HD Youtube video, and I don't remember the specific parts where her mouth seemed off; I noticed it on the live broadcast (well, not "live" live).
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 2, 2010 1:29:36 GMT -5
It's not just the clear sound; there's also a "softness" that I noticed that makes me think it wasn't completely live. Well, Taylor's vocals are naturally very soft when she's not reaching for notes (as she would be a bit during the chorus of the song). For example, listen to her live vocals on the verses of "White Horse" in acoustic versions on Youtube. I've got to commend you for catching this in the first place, especially given you only saw the performance once on the broadcast. That was extremely easy to miss and would require some investigation to notice in the first place. Perhaps it was a mix-matched 2nd camera shot? As for the off-synch vocals, I'm still not seeing anything.
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Post by BurnItUp (with Kerosene) on Sept 2, 2010 2:25:43 GMT -5
I didn't really mean the softness of her tone; I don't know what the technical term is for what I'm talking about. I'm sure there probably is one though. The arm thing was easy to spot (and everyone that I was watching it with mentioned it at the same time) because I was watching on a big screen TV (not mine, unfortunately ). I did see it right after on Youtube though to make sure we weren't seeing things. I don't see any way it'd be anything other than a second take that would cause that, but I actually don't have a problem with multiple takes. I don't think it'd be a big deal, and I thought I'd remembered someone who had been to the show mentioning she'd sung the song more than once, so I didn't even think anything untoward about doing multiple takes besides the continuity error. I actually think she catches a lot of unwarranted flack for her live vocals; her tendency to go for big notes doesn't really help, but honestly, I doubt if she was a man she'd be as scrutinized and punished for her bad performances. I've seen performances by male country singers that rivaled her shaky showing at the Grammy's, but they don't become watercooler news. But I think the large swing between her overly flawless sounding performances and the pitchier ones probably causes more problems/doubt about her talent than they solve, and given this was the type of arena which she excels at, I do wonder if any type of vocal correction was needed.
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Post by Modern Myth on Sept 2, 2010 15:14:14 GMT -5
I really liked the performance, but I'm feeling the actual performance was live for the audience, but fixed in parts, for everyone who sees it on TV/the internet, but I thought it was like that last year with her too. Parts of it did sound super live, but some parts didn't. I'm looking forward to hear her perform "Mine" where her vocals are 100% live on upcoming promo for the album.
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Post by Mack on Sept 2, 2010 15:51:43 GMT -5
Terrific performance. Did she sing the note at 3:04 live or was that the backing track? Whatever the case, she did a great job.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Sept 2, 2010 16:39:12 GMT -5
I'm 99% there is a pitch corrector being used. Honestly, I think it's good though. She has an excellent tone and it is better that people hear that. The only thing is that at times she sounds too clear, yanno? Eh. She sounded great and I found her part about the 14.5 hr autograph signing so endearing. I noticed that too! Watching it back now, and there is definitely pitch corrector being used. No doubt in my mind. Hey, it makes her sound half way decent...no shame, I guess...
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Post by Taylor. on Sept 2, 2010 17:09:41 GMT -5
Terrific performance. Did she sing the note at 3:04 live or was that the backing track? Whatever the case, she did a great job. That was definitely live (whether or not autocorrected is up for debate).
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Post by Mack on Sept 2, 2010 19:53:09 GMT -5
Terrific performance. Did she sing the note at 3:04 live or was that the backing track? Whatever the case, she did a great job. That was definitely live (whether or not autocorrected is up for debate). If it was live, I'm definitely impressed. I thought for sure that she would skip over that note, but she went for it and sounded great.
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Post by neally on Sept 2, 2010 20:12:22 GMT -5
That was definitely live (whether or not autocorrected is up for debate). If it was live, I'm definitely impressed. I thought for sure that she would skip over that note, but she went for it and sounded great. I also think the "Mine" at 3:04 was live, but I do not think that the note is very impressive from a vocal perspective. The note is not at all very high since it is only in the 4th octave (B4), is not very long in duration, and I believe Taylor has sang longer and higher notes in the past.
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Post by maria4hitz on Sept 2, 2010 20:31:36 GMT -5
12 Mine - Taylor Swift - 97,000 / 659,000
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Post by Mack on Sept 2, 2010 20:47:16 GMT -5
If it was live, I'm definitely impressed. I thought for sure that she would skip over that note, but she went for it and sounded great. I also think the "Mine" at 3:04 was live, but I do not think that the note is very impressive from a vocal perspective. The note is not at all very high since it is only in the 4th octave (B4), is not very long in duration, and I believe Taylor has sang longer and higher notes in the past. I'm sure she has, but I'm still impressed that she sang that particular note live and sounded good. I figured she would either skip it completely or have trouble hitting it. I was wrong on both counts.
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Post by kmbgs on Sept 2, 2010 20:56:32 GMT -5
12 Mine - Taylor Swift - 97,000 / 659,000 Obviously she's got some great sales, but I gotta be honest, I was kinda expecting more from one of music's biggest overall performers. How long has this been out?
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 2, 2010 23:20:49 GMT -5
12 Mine - Taylor Swift - 97,000 / 659,000 Obviously she's got some great sales, but I gotta be honest, I was kinda expecting more from one of music's biggest overall performers. How long has this been out? I think it's been out for maybe four weeks. Next week she should see an increase (as she climbed back into the top 10 this week and has remained there). Slow and steady wins the race.
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Post by Modern Myth on Sept 4, 2010 12:20:44 GMT -5
Kanye West tweeted earlier, "I'm sorry Taylor."
It's weird though, the only people her follows is Taylor and Justin Bieber? Ha.
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Post by austin on Sept 4, 2010 15:42:50 GMT -5
I really liked the performance, but I'm feeling the actual performance was live for the audience, but fixed in parts, for everyone who sees it on TV/the internet, but I thought it was like that last year with her too. Parts of it did sound super live, but some parts didn't. I'm looking forward to hear her perform "Mine" where her vocals are 100% live on upcoming promo for the album. Yep...guaranteed she sang live at the time for the intimate audience but then ABC went in and pitched corrected the performance, and almost surely all the performances of the broadcast - CBS did the same thing with the Brooks and Dunn tribute, obviously correcting volume and pitch errors with artists. The most obviously example was Rascal Flatts, but Taylor's volume was obviously adjusted in parts too because she flails her hair around and sometimes loses sight of the mic.
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Post by fullonrainstorm on Sept 5, 2010 9:16:25 GMT -5
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 5, 2010 16:12:25 GMT -5
Does anyone know if they are going to release a few tracks digitally prior to the album's release like they did with Fearless?
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Sept 5, 2010 17:54:40 GMT -5
^ I highly doubt it. I'll also pull my mid-length hair out if she does do it again.
I remember the JoBros doing the iTunes countdown in 2008 with their pop hit "Burnin' Up" and their album A Little Bit Longer, but they didn't for their follow-up Lines, Vines, and Trying Times in 2009.
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