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Post by Haley on Jan 2, 2011 19:03:37 GMT -5
"Dear John" is the only song I skip. I see "Better Than Revenge" staying an album track, but I hope "Haunted" is the next single or a single down the line. I loved the music video type thing during the Thanksgiving special.
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Post by Gravity. on Jan 2, 2011 19:04:35 GMT -5
"Dear John" is the only song I skip. I see "Better Than Revenge" staying an album track, but I hope "Haunted" is the next single or a single down the line. I loved the music video type thing during the Thanksgiving special. But...but..."Dear John" is her best song yet. :(
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Post by passionformusic on Jan 2, 2011 19:25:58 GMT -5
"Dear John" is the only song I skip. I see "Better Than Revenge" staying an album track, but I hope "Haunted" is the next single or a single down the line. I loved the music video type thing during the Thanksgiving special. But...but..."Dear John" is her best song yet. :( Yes. It is a very good song. Agreed. One of her best. Raw emotion to the core. Love it.
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Post by CammyCan on Jan 2, 2011 19:26:28 GMT -5
"Dear John" is the only song I skip. Lol, me too. I've always been afraid to say it since it's like everyone's favorite.
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Post by Black Jesus on Jan 2, 2011 20:07:59 GMT -5
Releasing BTR as a single would be an absolute disaster IMO. I mean not like the album needs radio success to promote it, but still. BTR is the 'Fifteen' of this album. Just don't release it.
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Post by Mack on Jan 2, 2011 20:08:27 GMT -5
'Dear John' and 'Last Kiss' are my least two favorite tracks on the album, which is funny since they seem to be most people's favorites (along with 'Enchanted', which I love).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 20:11:48 GMT -5
Dear John, Last Kiss, Long Live and Never Grow Up are the only ones I skip .
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Post by strikeleo on Jan 2, 2011 20:16:10 GMT -5
Releasing BTR as a single would be an absolute disaster IMO. I mean not like the album needs radio success to promote it, but still. BTR is the 'Fifteen' of this album. Just don't release it. Except Fifteen gave her some credit on the songwriting department, BTR will probably make her seem childish... 'Dear John' and 'Last Kiss' are my least two favorite tracks on the album, which is funny since they seem to be most people's favorites (along with 'Enchanted', which I love). Those three are my favorite tracks, lmao. I've burnt out on most of them, but still, the best ones on the whole cd. and I love Never Grow Up! it's beautiful, once you relate to it.
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Post by slayZ on Jan 2, 2011 20:25:37 GMT -5
lol no it didn't..?
BTR is MILES better than Fifteen and it's a smash waiting to happen. I don't see how BTR is "childish" either. If anything, Fifteen is the childish song. BTR's lyrics are clever, the chorus is catchy and the production is incredible, not to mention, it'll shut up all of those who are constantly claiming that all of her songs sound the same.
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Post by passionformusic on Jan 2, 2011 20:32:19 GMT -5
"BTR" is childish, but so is "Mean", nobody seems to mind it? ???
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 2, 2011 20:32:51 GMT -5
Better Than Revenge sounds like a perfect summer pop smash to me. She doesn't need to just release slower, more serious songs.
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Post by desertfloods on Jan 2, 2011 20:42:07 GMT -5
"BTR" is childish, but so is "Mean", nobody seems to mind it? ??? I actually find both childish, but between the two, I much prefer Mean. It's catchier as well IMO. Also... I don't agree that Fifteen is childish. It really depends on how you look at the lyrics. It works very well from nostalgic point of view as well, much like Never Grow Up. Maybe that's why both are some of my faves from the albums (adding to strikeleo's point... wasn't Fifteen one of the popular picks by critics when Fearless was reviewed? I don't know if I remember that correctly.)
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jan 2, 2011 20:48:21 GMT -5
IDK but "Never Grow Up" is perhaps my favorite song from her. It doesn't seem to be a fan favorite, but I'm not a Taylor fan so go figure??...
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Post by Mack on Jan 2, 2011 20:50:00 GMT -5
Neither 'Better Than Revenge' or 'Mean' are childish.
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Post by Gravity. on Jan 2, 2011 21:13:15 GMT -5
IDK but "Never Grow Up" is perhaps my favorite song from her. It doesn't seem to be a fan favorite, but I'm not a Taylor fan so go figure??... "Never Grow Up" is one of my absolute favorites. Her understated songs are often my favorite ones. I still can't rank the album, except for "Dear John." It's always at the very top. That's the song that will get her more songwriting cred, not that she doesn't have any.
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Post by Taylor. on Jan 2, 2011 21:13:19 GMT -5
'Last Kiss' and 'Dear John' are both low-key, subtle songs that aren't outright catchy so I get why some don't like them. But the extremely sincere and emotionally raw vocals on both along with the excellent lyrics make them two of my favorites.
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Post by Gravity. on Jan 2, 2011 21:14:03 GMT -5
'Last Kiss' and 'Dear John' are both low-key, subtle songs that aren't outright catchy so I get why some don't like them. But the extremely sincere and emotionally raw vocals on both along with the excellent lyrics make them two of my favorites. Of course you post at the same time as me,a nd said what I was trying to say even better.
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Post by Taylor. on Jan 2, 2011 21:18:09 GMT -5
'Last Kiss' and 'Dear John' are both low-key, subtle songs that aren't outright catchy so I get why some don't like them. But the extremely sincere and emotionally raw vocals on both along with the excellent lyrics make them two of my favorites. Of course you post at the same time as me,a nd said what I was trying to say even better. What can I say, us Taylor's have a way with words.
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Post by strikeleo on Jan 2, 2011 21:34:57 GMT -5
(adding to strikeleo's point... wasn't Fifteen one of the popular picks by critics when Fearless was reviewed? I don't know if I remember that correctly.) Yeah, you're right. When Fearless came out, Fifteen was the one critics seemed to love. Much like Dear John in this era. Also, I guess Mean is purposefully childish, whereas BTR is not. Most people and critics thought the lyrics were really childish and to some extent, I do agree. (Keep in mind that I do love the song, I just don't think the song will take Taylor anywhere: It'll alienate her country fanbase even more and she'll get a nice backlash because of the lyrics.
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Post by Joe1240 on Jan 2, 2011 21:39:38 GMT -5
"Last Kiss" is one of my faves on the album.But it should stay as a album track.It is a beautiful song."Mean" and "Enchanted" need to be released at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 21:45:19 GMT -5
(adding to strikeleo's point... wasn't Fifteen one of the popular picks by critics when Fearless was reviewed? I don't know if I remember that correctly.) Yeah, you're right. When Fearless came out, Fifteen was the one critics seemed to love. Much like Dear John in this era. Also, I guess Mean is purposefully childish, whereas BTR is not. Most people and critics thought the lyrics were really childish and to some extent, I do agree. (Keep in mind that I do love the song, I just don't think the song will take Taylor anywhere: It'll alienate her country fanbase even more and she'll get a nice backlash because of the lyrics. That's why I think she should go for a dual release at some point. Better Than Revenge has an irrestible hook that could do some damage on pop meanwhile Mean could do well as a country exclusive single, similarly to White Horse.
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Post by tsr on Jan 2, 2011 22:10:47 GMT -5
I would LOVE to see Enchanted or DJ released as single #4, but I don't think it'll happen, unfortunately. Haunted would be a good choice too, especially if they decide to send out the acoustic version as an alternative. I've grown to like it more than the original version.
Honestly, I can't see them dual releasing this era. They didn't do it during the Fearless era (except for TWAF, but that song wasn't on the album in the first place and had just debuted at #2 on the Hot 100, so I don't really count it.) when they really needed to IMO (Fifteen), so I don't see why they would now; I think it would make her fans feel alienated.
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Post by lunaboona on Jan 2, 2011 23:00:02 GMT -5
I think "The Story of Us" would do well on both country and pop radio. They might need to country it up a little but I think it could be the YBWM of this era.
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Post by slayZ on Jan 2, 2011 23:23:26 GMT -5
i think the only songs that have a chance at doing well on both country and pop are BTD, and Sparks Fly. The album is FILLED with smashes, but they're either Pop smashes or country smashes. Count me in as one who would love Mean to be released. They could even do a Pop mix.
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Post by desertfloods on Jan 3, 2011 0:43:22 GMT -5
I guess Mean is purposefully childish, whereas BTR is not................ I just don't think the song will take Taylor anywhere: It'll alienate her country fanbase even more and she'll get a nice backlash because of the lyrics. Agree with these.
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Post by Black Jesus on Jan 3, 2011 0:45:06 GMT -5
Better Than Revenge sounds like a perfect summer pop smash to me. She doesn't need to just release slower, more serious songs. But the point at hand is it doesn't showcase her real talent, as most of the ballads on the album are excellent. This has been the problem with her IMO. The label releases all the pop songs that are not well written or that are aimed at teenage girls when so much of her other stuff is so much deeper than that. Lots look down on her because her radio songs are aimed towards middle school-early high school girls while there are songs on the album that everyone would love
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Post by Kyla on Jan 3, 2011 1:03:22 GMT -5
Also, I guess Mean is purposefully childish, whereas BTR is not. Most people and critics thought the lyrics were really childish and to some extent, I do agree. (Keep in mind that I do love the song, I just don't think the song will take Taylor anywhere: It'll alienate her country fanbase even more and she'll get a nice backlash because of the lyrics. I don't disagree with this. I think that BTR was probably written right after Fearless (considering who/what it's about) and therefore is very 18 because that's how old she was when she wrote it. But they just felt it was too good of a song to not make the album. Plus, I'm sure Taylor is excited to play a Paramore-type rocker song live. And despite its immaturity, I'm glad she was able to show that PTB side of her again. And not just sweet, cutesy songs.
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Post by passionformusic on Jan 3, 2011 7:08:56 GMT -5
Better Than Revenge sounds like a perfect summer pop smash to me. She doesn't need to just release slower, more serious songs. But the point at hand is it doesn't showcase her real talent, as most of the ballads on the album are excellent. This has been the problem with her IMO. The label releases all the pop songs that are not well written or that are aimed at teenage girls when so much of her other stuff is so much deeper than that. Lots look down on her because her radio songs are aimed towards middle school-early high school girls while there are songs on the album that everyone would love Agreed. But these deeper/better songs can never do well on the radio. For one they would have to be heavily cut, plus the main audience (being young people,who request the songs) would find them boring. Similar case with "Fifteen". Yes...it would bring her some cred as a writer...maybe some awards. But we all know the main priority of a record label. Sales. Songs like "BTR" and "Mean" will certainly perform better on that level. btw it`s very admirable how relaxed and confident Taylors team is with music videos. Any other pop star spits out new ones in 1-2 months. They just sit back on their arses for 5-6 months.
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Post by circadian on Jan 3, 2011 13:29:56 GMT -5
I've said it since the beginning:}
1. Mine (All Formats) 2. Back To December (All Formats) ---------------------------- 3. Sparks Fly (All Formats) 4. Story Of Us (Pop)/Mean (Country) 5. Enchanted (Pop)/Speak Now (Country)
Sparks Fly could be a mini-You Belong With Me... it doesn't have the same umph it had, but it could be a big sized crossover hit for her.
Story Of Us is a pop smash waiting to happen... At that spot, it would be ideal to release either SOU or BTR to pop, but BTR's sound hasn't been doing that well in pop radio lately, besides, the lyrics are edgy and controversial... it should remain an album track. Mean is the country smash of the album, simply as that.
Then, for the final singles... Enchanted is a gem that should see a release. With a shorter edit, it could be a great pop single. For country, I'm torn... Speak Now would be the obvious choice, but I can see Dear John doing good too, and giving her some songwriter cred... however, I doubt Taylor would want to release it as a single...
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Post by justlurkingaround on Jan 3, 2011 14:41:05 GMT -5
^ I think Speak Now should remain an album track. Enchanted would work on country also.
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