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Post by pen on Nov 5, 2010 7:23:32 GMT -5
I'm going with "Any Moment Now" or "Love's What You Left Me With" as the next single No fucking way. The latter is way too slow and too much of an album track to be a reasonable single, and while the former might be a good choice for Active, the safe bets are "Whatever Doesn't Kill Me", "Stone Soul", and "Ordinary Life".
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Post by Devin on Nov 5, 2010 13:38:42 GMT -5
"Whatever Doesn't Kill Me" for second single (released to HAC/CHR/All rock formats), "Any Moment Now" for third single, and then end the era unless by some divine power "WDKM" becomes a big hit. Then release "Stone Soul" or maybe "Ordinary Life" as the fourth single (another crossover). On a related note, I wished that Wind-Up would've released "I'll Keep Your Memory Vague" to pop and HAC as the second crossover single after the massive hit "Paralyzer". Idiots
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Post by jvandyck87 on Nov 5, 2010 13:45:10 GMT -5
I don't think "Whatever Doesn't Kill Me" has the hit potential that you guys think it does. It was tested on my local station's hit or diss segment and did AWFULLY. I don't think it'd have any success on active. Reading your most recent post in the Muse - UD thread, I also think "Undisclosed Desires" has a better chance at success on CHR than "Whatever Doesn't Kill Me". I say if both get adds dates on CHR, Muse does better. Gentleman's bet, you on?
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Post by Devin on Nov 5, 2010 13:49:12 GMT -5
What if they both don't get an adds date? Will we call it even? And I only have hope for it because it is the most pop-friendly track on the album and the last two albums had one huge pop hit. Besides, I don't expect much from Finger Eleven's follow-up singles, since they always seem to flop.
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Post by pen on Nov 5, 2010 14:09:39 GMT -5
On a related note, I wished that Wind-Up would've released "I'll Keep Your Memory Vague" to pop and HAC as the second crossover single after the massive hit "Paralyzer". Idiots Well it completely tanked on alternative so I imagine they didn't want to take the risk.
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Post by pen on Nov 5, 2010 14:10:26 GMT -5
I don't think "Whatever Doesn't Kill Me" has the hit potential that you guys think it does. It was tested on my local station's hit or diss segment and did AWFULLY. Sounds like a problem with the audience in my estimation.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Nov 5, 2010 14:18:26 GMT -5
Well it's a pretty good sample of the average active rock listener. Considering that the average active rock listener likes Hinder, Five Finger Death Punch, Saving Abel, etc...well I'm not going to refute your point.
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Post by pen on Nov 5, 2010 14:19:11 GMT -5
Good man.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Nov 5, 2010 14:45:32 GMT -5
I still argue that if they want to have a follow-up hit at active rock radio, then releasing "Whatever Doesn't Kill Me" is a mistake. If they're willing to alienate that population of their listeners (the ones they've had the longest time and the format that arguably would be their core format), then by all means, they should go for it.
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Post by pen on Nov 5, 2010 14:49:06 GMT -5
They've arguably never had a real hit at active though, so what long time listeners are they actually alienating? The only song of theirs that's done anything decent at active is "Paralyzer", and that did tremendous EVERYWHERE.
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Post by Devin on Nov 5, 2010 15:09:35 GMT -5
1) "Paralyzer" hit #5 on pop and #6 on the Hot 100. In my eyes, a follow-up, no matter how it did on another format, should have been released to help album sales and to claim another minor hit.
2) Finger Eleven may have started on active when they started, but around 2003 their sound changed alot and they became more alternative-friendly (Hence "One Thing" hitting #5 on alternative and #38 on Mainstream rock tracks. This album is 50/50-ish active/alternative, so I think it doesn't matter if they release "Whatever Doesn't Kill Me" gets released and doesn't do as well on active than on alternative. For example, 30 Seconds to Mars was an active rock band during the beginning, but have evolved into a staple alternative artist. Their first single fared similar to Finger Eleven's first singles, but now Finger Eleven are just as much an alternative artist as they are an active artist. Their next album will really determine their fate genre-wise.
3) "I'll Keep You're Memory Vague" didn't really tank on alternative, because it outpeaked "Falling On". Plus, none of their follow-up singles ever really do well compared to their monster first singles ("One Thing" and "Paralyzer"). So I would call it an achievement.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Nov 5, 2010 15:10:35 GMT -5
Haha didn't it go to #1 on active with substantial longevity? That's doing more than decently. "Living In A Dream" is currently top 10; that's at least performing decently, if not well. I guess what I mean is that the active rock format has the most stations that would currently add most Finger Eleven singles right out of the gate. The other formats, the song has to be right, and they have to prove themselves each time out – usually by doing well on active first. "One Thing" is obviously an exception, though I'm pretty sure that it charted on active before charting an then blowing up huge on alternative.
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Post by pen on Nov 5, 2010 15:22:09 GMT -5
Haha didn't it go to #1 on active with substantial longevity? That's doing more than decently. Well I wanted to illustrate how far apart it was from all their other singles, since none of the other singles did anything.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Nov 5, 2010 15:25:40 GMT -5
Until now...dun dun dun DUN!
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Post by Devin on Nov 5, 2010 15:28:49 GMT -5
So does anyone even think it's worth putting out any follow-up singles at all?
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Post by pen on Nov 5, 2010 15:31:48 GMT -5
Finger Eleven should just put out a new single every four years and rake in the cash, since it's ultimately all they're doing.
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Post by lockebox on Nov 5, 2010 17:32:44 GMT -5
I can't see any follow-up single doing that well tbh. I would go for "Any Moment Now", "Pieces Fit" or "Ordinary Life". Quite a few options, actually. Although, I think "Stone Soul" is the best song on the record, it just doesn't fit into the rock radio landscape for me.
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