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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 13:37:17 GMT -5
Agreed. It's a great song and deserves to be a big crossover hit. Doesn't hurt that the music video is really charming and has gone viral somewhat(1.2 million views in less than a month).Frankly I think the music video elevates the song.Who knew Nettles was such a good actress and dancer? I'm so hooked on this song and the video is just as good. I'm kinda surprised that country radio stations are playing this taking its reggae-tinged middle part into consideration. What's the name of the hottie in the video? |
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Post by RockaByeBaby on Sept 2, 2010 13:43:31 GMT -5
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Post by as485y on Sept 2, 2010 13:52:33 GMT -5
I know that LLWYL is a big hit but it doesnt seem as big as ESOM or CG? Why is that?
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Sept 2, 2010 14:10:04 GMT -5
^^ Because it's not an anthem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 14:17:10 GMT -5
I know that LLWYL is a big hit but it doesnt seem as big as ESOM or CG? Why is that? Empire State (#1 for 5 weeks) Cali Gurls (#1 for 6 weeks) LTWYL (#1 for 7 weeks so far) Do the math gurl  |
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Post by as485y on Sept 2, 2010 14:23:33 GMT -5
I know that LLWYL is a big hit but it doesnt seem as big as ESOM or CG? Why is that? Empire State (#1 for 5 weeks) Cali Gurls (#1 for 6 weeks) LTWYL (#1 for 7 weeks so far) Do the math gurl  LOL but we all know that weeks at #1 or even becoming #1 doesnt really mean anything... Who remembers 3,OMG,Rude Boy, or Tik Tok? when bigger songs like Bad Romance,Party in the USA,Airplanes, and Need You Now get stuck in the top 10? Im starting to think being #1 doesnt mean as much as it used to |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 14:26:44 GMT -5
Empire State (#1 for 5 weeks) Cali Gurls (#1 for 6 weeks) LTWYL (#1 for 7 weeks so far) Do the math gurl LOL but we all know that weeks at #1 or even becoming #1 doesnt really mean anything... Who remembers 3,OMG,Rude Boy, or Tik Tok? when bigger songs like Bad Romance,Party in the USA,Airplanes, and Need You Now get stuck in the top 10? Im starting to think being #1 doesnt mean as much as it used to It been in the top 2 since it debuted though. Its audience impressions have been greater then Cali Gurls and Empire. It continues to grow and shows promise of outselling Empire overall and performing similarly to Cali Gurls. The video alone has created enough controversy to overpower its competitors. Also, its currently enjoying its 5th consecutive weeks @ #1 on the global track chart  |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 2, 2010 14:30:20 GMT -5
LOL but we all know that weeks at #1 or even becoming #1 doesnt really mean anything... Who remembers 3,OMG,Rude Boy, or Tik Tok? when bigger songs like Bad Romance,Party in the USA,Airplanes, and Need You Now get stuck in the top 10? Im starting to think being #1 doesnt mean as much as it used to It been in the top 2 since it debuted though. Its audience impressions have been greater then Cali Gurls and Empire. It continues to grow and shows promise of outselling Empire overall and performing similarly to Cali Gurls. The video alone has created enough controversy to overpower its competitors. Also, its currently enjoying its 5th consecutive weeks @ #1 on the global track chart And ultimately, it's really the album sales that explain its influence better than airplay ever could. No one can deny "California Gurls" is a massive hit in its own right. Yet, it didn't inspire three-quarters of a million Americans to purchase her album its opening week, let alone a third of that total. The robust album sales are what will immortalize this anthem more than anything, I believe. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 2, 2010 14:30:57 GMT -5
LOL but we all know that weeks at #1 or even becoming #1 doesnt really mean anything... Who remembers 3,OMG,Rude Boy, or Tik Tok? when bigger songs like Bad Romance,Party in the USA,Airplanes, and Need You Now get stuck in the top 10? Im starting to think being #1 doesnt mean as much as it used to It been in the top 2 since it debuted though. Its audience impressions have been greater then Cali Gurls and Empire. It continues to grow and shows promise of outselling Empire overall and performing similarly to Cali Gurls. The video alone has created enough controversy to overpower its competitors. Also, its currently enjoying its 5th consecutive weeks @ #1 on the global track chart The video has been controversial ??? And honestly, it doeesn't seem that big to me either... |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 2, 2010 14:32:13 GMT -5
And ultimately, it's really the album sales that explain its influence better than airplay ever could. No one can deny "California Gurls" is a massive hit in its own right. Yet, it didn't inspire three-quarters of a million Americans to purchase her album its opening week, let alone a third of that total. The robust album sales are what will immortalize this anthem more than anything, I believe. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Eminem was selling tons of albums even before it became a hit. I don't see this point, really. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2010 14:33:07 GMT -5
It been in the top 2 since it debuted though. Its audience impressions have been greater then Cali Gurls and Empire. It continues to grow and shows promise of outselling Empire overall and performing similarly to Cali Gurls. The video alone has created enough controversy to overpower its competitors. Also, its currently enjoying its 5th consecutive weeks @ #1 on the global track chart The video has been controversial ??? And honestly, it doeesn't seem that big to me either... I honestly don't think its that controversial to be honest but I've been hearing numerous reports on it in the media. I really don't feel they went overboard with it but that's just my opinion  . |
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Post by nighttime on Sept 2, 2010 14:36:11 GMT -5
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Post by elementd5 on Sept 2, 2010 14:36:41 GMT -5
Empire State (#1 for 5 weeks) Cali Gurls (#1 for 6 weeks) LTWYL (#1 for 7 weeks so far) Do the math gurl LOL but we all know that weeks at #1 or even becoming #1 doesnt really mean anything... Who remembers 3,OMG,Rude Boy, or Tik Tok? when bigger songs like Bad Romance,Party in the USA,Airplanes, and Need You Now get stuck in the top 10? Im starting to think being #1 doesnt mean as much as it used to Tik Tok is going to be Top 10 year-end, while OMG & Rude Boy were similatenous crossover smashes (as opposed to Need You Now). The charts are all relative. I would argue that LTWYL is bigger than Cali Gurls (do to its multi-chart crossover) and is definitely up there with ESoM. The main difference I see, is that it will not be (in the future, that is) "anthematic" because it doesn't have any particular catch phrase that will be remembered. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 2, 2010 14:40:34 GMT -5
Eminem was selling tons of albums even before it became a hit. I don't see this point, really. LOL. I suppose you think his album would still be selling how it is now without "Love The Way You Lie" then? It's clear the album's strong week-to-week sales can be attributed to the success of his latest single. I believe that is the point (and it seems rather clear). Hell, "Love The Way You Lie" even single-handedly revived his first single. Honestly, whether or not the song "feels" big to some is inconsequential to its success, as numbers and public reception prove the song has made quite the impact (it's not even debatable). |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 2, 2010 14:41:12 GMT -5
And ultimately, it's really the album sales that explain its influence better than airplay ever could. No one can deny "California Gurls" is a massive hit in its own right. Yet, it didn't inspire three-quarters of a million Americans to purchase her album its opening week, let alone a third of that total. The robust album sales are what will immortalize this anthem more than anything, I believe. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus Eminem was selling tons of albums even before it became a hit. I don't see this point, really. True, but it's really saying something when your follow-up record has already eclipsed its predecessor commercially just eight weeks into its chart run. "Not Afraid" certainly helped, but to many disaffected listeners it was "Love The Way You Lie" that sealed the deal and proved to them his heart is back with what he does best, as many were about ready to write him off. I believe we'd be kidding ourselves denying this single's massive appeal. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by Diego on Sept 2, 2010 14:48:21 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean by it doesn't "feel" like a big hit? I think that's subjective...but it's true that there's no real way of determining exactly how big something is. Sales, airplay, and video views don't tell the whole story, but they're the only argument with substance that we can use to establish how big a song is.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 2, 2010 14:49:29 GMT -5
Eminem was selling tons of albums even before it became a hit. I don't see this point, really. LOL. I suppose you think his album would still be selling how it is now without "Love The Way You Lie" then? It's clear the album's strong week-to-week sales can be attributed to the success of his latest single. I believe that is the point (and it seems rather clear). I'm not suggesting that, but the song's exposure kicked in in full-force at least 2 weeks after the album's release. It's not like its airplay was massive from the get-go. Songs take time to rise on the charts.. Anyway, the point is, this song doesn't feel as anthemic as some of the songs mentioned. It is big, for sure, but to me its anthemic status is overrated. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 2, 2010 15:00:11 GMT -5
I'm not suggesting that, but the song's exposure kicked in in full-force at least 2 weeks after the album's release. It's not like its airplay was massive from the get-go. Songs take time to rise on the charts.. Well, this is obvious. However, "Love The Way You Lie" is solely responsible for this album having better legs than his previous release (it will easily push Recovery to three million). Well (as I said before) whether or not a few think the song doesn't "feel" anthemic is inconsequential to the song's success/impact. Clearly, (when considering radio performance, digital performance, and the song's ability to shift albums) all the evidence points to the contrary. It seems many enjoy this song immensely (for whatever reasons). |
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 2, 2010 15:01:42 GMT -5
LOL. I suppose you think his album would still be selling how it is now without "Love The Way You Lie" then? It's clear the album's strong week-to-week sales can be attributed to the success of his latest single. I believe that is the point (and it seems rather clear). I'm not suggesting that, but the song's exposure kicked in in full-force at least 2 weeks after the album's release. It's not like its airplay was massive from the get-go. Songs take time to rise on the charts.. Anyway, the point is, this song doesn't feel as anthemic as some of the songs mentioned. It is big, for sure, but to me its anthemic status is overrated. I know whether something is "anthemic" or not is subjective in itself, but I certainly believe this is undoubtedly "anthemic" in that this marks an uncharacteristic departure for Eminem as a songwriter in that, unlike most of his records where his lyrics have a fiercely detail-oriented, autobiographical flavor to them, this is detached from obvious autobiographical allusions and is designed to appeal universally. I believe this is "anthemic" in that, rather than singling out either the victim or abuser's point of view in tackling this deep subject matter, he and his co-writers approach the subject in a more complete sense: where obviously they're not endorsing or encouraging domestic violence, but also acknowledge the circularity of emotional and physical abuse and trying to read what motivates the abuser to do such irrational, tragic things and why the abused just can't walk away with the snap of a finger. This certainly is dark and has some real teeth, but it's an "anthem" in that it successfully boils down the extraordinarily complex cycle of emotional abuse and violence to a form that is suddenly accessible to many. It's not exactly original and I'm certainly not arguing artists haven't previously and successfully tackled this subject before, but given how Rihanna has been subjected to physical abuse and Eminem emotional abuse, they provide a perfect counter-balance that is most persuasive and rarely matched in popular music..................making for a, yes, "anthemic" classic in the making. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 2, 2010 15:05:06 GMT -5
Each one of us has their own opinion. Mine is that LTWYL isn't as anthemic as other big hits of the year.
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Post by singingsparrow on Sept 2, 2010 15:09:32 GMT -5
Each one of us has their own opinion. Mine is that LTWYL isn't as anthemic as other big hits of the year. I respect that, and we'll just have to agree to disagree here. As a personal reflection, I will say I predict this will be remembered more than either "California Gurls" or "Empire State of Mind" ten years from now (unless perhaps, of course, you happen to be native to Sunset Boulevard or are a Knickerbocker, where even there I bet many will prefer LTWYL anyway) Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus |
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Post by mel46 on Sept 2, 2010 15:15:01 GMT -5
can someone tell me how much chris brown's "deuces" sold digitally?
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Post by renfield75 on Sept 2, 2010 15:15:48 GMT -5
I'm not suggesting that, but the song's exposure kicked in in full-force at least 2 weeks after the album's release. It's not like its airplay was massive from the get-go. Songs take time to rise on the charts.. Anyway, the point is, this song doesn't feel as anthemic as some of the songs mentioned. It is big, for sure, but to me its anthemic status is overrated. I know whether something is "anthemic" or not is subjective in itself, but I certainly believe this is undoubtedly "anthemic" in that this marks an uncharacteristic departure for Eminem as a songwriter in that, unlike most of his records where his lyrics have a fiercely detail-oriented, autobiographical flavor to them, this is detached from obvious autobiographical allusions and is designed to appeal universally. I believe this is "anthemic" in that, rather than singling out either the victim or abuser's point of view in tackling this deep subject matter, he and his co-writers approach the subject in a more complete sense: where obviously they're not endorsing or encouraging domestic violence, but also acknowledge the circularity of emotional and physical abuse and trying to read what motivates the abuser to do such irrational, tragic things and why the abused just can't walk away with the snap of a finger. This certainly is dark and has some real teeth, but it's an "anthem" in that it successfully boils down the extraordinarily complex cycle of emotional abuse and violence to a form that is suddenly accessible to many. It's not exactly original and I'm certainly not arguing artists haven't previously and successfully tackled this subject before, but given how Rihanna has been subjected to physical abuse and Eminem emotional abuse, they provide a perfect counter-balance that is most persuasive and rarely matched in popular music..................making for a, yes, "anthemic" classic in the making. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I agree with that. I also see what other posters are saying...I know I've been out (not just at clubs) when "California Gurls" and "ESoM" came on, and everyone was smiling and singing along. They're anthemic in that sense. LTWYL is certainly not a fun sing-along-at-a-party kind of song, but it likely has a deeper personal resonance for people and will become an anthem in that sense. Some songs you like to sing along with in crowds, some you like to sing along to alone in your car. Different kinds of impact, but equally powerful. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 2, 2010 15:25:36 GMT -5
Each one of us has their own opinion. Mine is that LTWYL isn't as anthemic as other big hits of the year. Of course. I was simply saying said opinions are inconsequential to the song's success. You or I thinking the song isn't too much of an anthem (or is actually more of an anthem) when compared to other songs isn't a reflection of or consequence to the song's success. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 2, 2010 15:31:38 GMT -5
Each one of us has their own opinion. Mine is that LTWYL isn't as anthemic as other big hits of the year. Of course. I was simply saying said opinions are inconsequential to the song's success. You or I thinking the song isn't too much of an anthem (or is actually more of an anthem) when compared to other songs isn't a reflection of or consequence to the song's success. I never denied the song's success ??? |
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Post by elementd5 on Sept 2, 2010 15:34:36 GMT -5
I know whether something is "anthemic" or not is subjective in itself, but I certainly believe this is undoubtedly "anthemic" in that this marks an uncharacteristic departure for Eminem as a songwriter in that, unlike most of his records where his lyrics have a fiercely detail-oriented, autobiographical flavor to them, this is detached from obvious autobiographical allusions and is designed to appeal universally. I believe this is "anthemic" in that, rather than singling out either the victim or abuser's point of view in tackling this deep subject matter, he and his co-writers approach the subject in a more complete sense: where obviously they're not endorsing or encouraging domestic violence, but also acknowledge the circularity of emotional and physical abuse and trying to read what motivates the abuser to do such irrational, tragic things and why the abused just can't walk away with the snap of a finger. This certainly is dark and has some real teeth, but it's an "anthem" in that it successfully boils down the extraordinarily complex cycle of emotional abuse and violence to a form that is suddenly accessible to many. It's not exactly original and I'm certainly not arguing artists haven't previously and successfully tackled this subject before, but given how Rihanna has been subjected to physical abuse and Eminem emotional abuse, they provide a perfect counter-balance that is most persuasive and rarely matched in popular music..................making for a, yes, "anthemic" classic in the making. Namaste, Lisping Hibiscus I agree with that. I also see what other posters are saying...I know I've been out (not just at clubs) when "California Gurls" and "ESoM" came on, and everyone was smiling and singing along. They're anthemic in that sense. LTWYL is certainly not a fun sing-along-at-a-party kind of song, but it likely has a deeper personal resonance for people and will become an anthem in that sense. Some songs you like to sing along with in crowds, some you like to sing along to alone in your car. Different kinds of impact, but equally powerful. This. |
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Post by Oɴʟуßoy® on Sept 2, 2010 15:37:30 GMT -5
The reason why LTWYL may not seem "anthemic" is because its not a song about a state. End of discussion. Usually songs about cities and towns in ameria often generate buzz to the area where the song is targeted. In NY ESOM will be seen as the biggest it of the year and for California .. katty's hit will be their anthem but theres no denying how massive LTWYL is.. the sales and airplay alone diminish any doubts of it being one of the biggest hit of the year.
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Post by as485y on Sept 2, 2010 16:02:45 GMT -5
^ LOL
And I think at this point the only way to weigh a songs impact is time. So well see once time goes by and new material takes over. Alot of songs that were huge seem to fade away with time.
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Post by fridayteenage on Sept 2, 2010 16:33:31 GMT -5
Lol debating anthemic-ness. But just in my opinion anthems don't have to be about a city, & while Lie doesn't seem like one, say, Umbrella does.
Also Usher indeed tied Bieber for T40 songs this year.
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Post by felipe on Sept 2, 2010 19:48:05 GMT -5
It's official! 'Deuces' is his first number one on the Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs since 'Say Goodbye' hit that position 4 years ago. What about Kiss Kiss? |
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