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Post by twilight on Nov 18, 2010 12:55:28 GMT -5
Her sells decline was actually smaller according to Billboard.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 18, 2010 12:55:55 GMT -5
You sure about that? Is she even allowed to do that, as that was recorded for Sony?? Didn't she buy her catalogue from them, or something like that? ??? I remember reading something of that nature. Yes, she did. The song is hers.
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Post by Leigh on Nov 18, 2010 13:04:31 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure (from memory, so might be wrong) that she got back the 'rights' to the songs themselves, but that Sony kept the original recordings of the songs. So she could re-record them etc. That was my understanding of the situation, at least - might be completely wrong!!
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Post by hidizzyguy on Nov 18, 2010 13:46:20 GMT -5
Maybe she doesn't have ALL the rights to it.... hence why they're putting out an Extra Festive version to chart in competition with the original. Maybe Sony is getting most of the cash-in from the original - so they're trying to cut in on those sales with the new version. Would make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 14:30:11 GMT -5
WTF??? Why is there 2 versions charting? A mess. If they group 3 versions of Santa Claus is Coming to Town that are completely different together why are they separating these two versions which are almost identical except for some new adlibs and a new intro???? BILLBOARD GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!!
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Post by twilight on Nov 18, 2010 16:20:51 GMT -5
This woman is genius. At her worst all of her album still go gold and platinum, so many artist struggle to do that with monster hits. She is just one of those rare Mega talented Global stars.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 18, 2010 17:16:30 GMT -5
^Except that, globally, she's only had one real hit album in the last decade (Emancipation- which did far better in the USA than outside of it). No shade intended, just stating a fact.
MCIIY should definitely ship gold in the USA, though. Whewther it can scan 500K will depend on how high sales go over the next 4-5 weeks. After that, the sales will come down.
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Post by stevyy on Nov 18, 2010 18:14:17 GMT -5
i think TEOM was an outstanding success in the US and therefore the success in her domestic market cannot diminish the success of the album globally.. It charted for more than 40 weeks in the australian top 50 for example... (that it's only 1x platinum is a joke...)
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 18, 2010 18:20:56 GMT -5
I got this from MariahDailyJournal which got it from Billboard:
Mariah is #4 on Billboard's Top R&B/Hip-Hop Artists List Posted by Lynn on Thursday, 18-Nov-2010, 3:06PM EST
In honor of the incomparable artists that have helped bring urban music to the masses over the last three decades -- and also to toast its recently launched music column The Juice -- the Billboard chart team has assembled a list of the Top 50 R&B/Hip-Hop artists of the last 25 years based on actual performance on the weekly Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums charts from Jan. 5, 1985, issue to the charts dated Nov. 6, 2010.
Below are the Top 10 R&B/Hip-Hop Artists, Mariah is ranked at #4.
1. R. Kelly 2. Mary J. Blige 3. Whitney Houston
4. Mariah Carey Having celebrated 20 years of conquering Billboard charts in 2010, Carey counts numerous records among her achievements. In addition to 10 No. 1s on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and five on R&B/Hip-Hop Albums, her 18 Hot 100 No. 1s are the most among solo acts (and second only to the Beatles' 20) and "One Sweet Day," with Boyz II Men, remains the chart's longest-reigning No. 1 (16 weeks, 1995-96). With 52.7 million albums sold, according to Nielsen SoundScan, Carey stands as the best-selling R&B album artist (and third overall after Garth Brooks and the Beatles) since SoundScan began tracking sales in 1991.
5. Janet Jackson 6. Usher 7. Luther Vandross 8. Jay-Z 9. Freddie Jackson 10. Alicia Keys
Source: Louise DiIulio from Billboard
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Nov 18, 2010 18:55:46 GMT -5
Oh damn, I wanted Mariah to appear on Oprah's upcoming episode of her Favorite Things but nooooooo Oprah has The Black Eye Peas instead, ugh. Oh Oprah!
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Post by twilight on Nov 18, 2010 20:51:28 GMT -5
Well whether or not TEOM was her biggest album globally or not, many of her other albums still charted in other countries very well. She has still amassed #1's and has done good things for herself. All of her albums have been certified, and she's done pretty damn good to me. Should and could some of the albums have did better ? Yes but overall she's been doing quite well. I hope and think that this album will go past gold. One other thing you said you was'nt throwing shade so what was the point of saying what u said. I'm aware of her album sells. You just always gotta rain on someones parade huh, or try to anyway.
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Post by insanoshano08 on Nov 18, 2010 21:50:34 GMT -5
Soo I just watched Don't mess with the Zohan and I just wanted to comment on Mariahs amazing cameo. The movie on the other hand is probably the worst in Adam Sandler's career..
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Post by switchblade on Nov 19, 2010 1:01:15 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure (from memory, so might be wrong) that she got back the 'rights' to the songs themselves, but that Sony kept the original recordings of the songs. So she could re-record them etc. That was my understanding of the situation, at least - might be completely wrong!! Sony is not stupid enough to sell their catalog to the artist. Therefore, it has to be Sony sold the rights to her in order for her to re-record but of cos Sony will get small commission for every copy of that re-recording single she sold.
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Post by spooky21 on Nov 19, 2010 7:04:07 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure (from memory, so might be wrong) that she got back the 'rights' to the songs themselves, but that Sony kept the original recordings of the songs. So she could re-record them etc. That was my understanding of the situation, at least - might be completely wrong!! Sony is not stupid enough to sell their catalog to the artist. Therefore, it has to be Sony sold the rights to her in order for her to re-record but of cos Sony will get small commission for every copy of that re-recording single she sold. Mariah bought the publishing rights to all her songs but Sony kept the masters. Meaning Sony owns the original mastered versions as they appeared on the album. Mariah owns the song itself and the rights to license/market them for royalty payments. If she wants to use the original album version as mastered back when the album was first sold, she has to strike a deal with Sony. Otherwise, she can just re-record it and Sony doesn't get a penny. Right now Universal Publishing works her catalogue for her and they get a small cut from licenscing her songs for commercials, performances, radio, etc.
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Post by neverduplicated on Nov 19, 2010 7:49:12 GMT -5
MARIAH CAREY - All I Want For Christmas Is...: 8.013 (+ 1.442)
MARIAH CAREY - Oh Santa: 0.640 (+0.057)
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Post by colson on Nov 19, 2010 7:58:00 GMT -5
^The song is starting to pick up a little bit as we near Thanksgiving.
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Post by Cautionme11/16 on Nov 19, 2010 8:23:09 GMT -5
Oh Radio, if you get this letter won't you help MC out, I know you're kinda busy with your GaGa's, RiRi's and Ursher's right now, bit please start to spin "Oh Santa"!
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Post by weaver on Nov 19, 2010 8:24:57 GMT -5
Oh Radio, if you get this letter won't you help MC out, I know you're kinda busy with your GaGa's, RiRi's and Ursher's right now, bit please start to spin "Oh Santa"! lmao...I think they will, if not to the level of All I Want. None of the heavy promo for it has really started yet, which really focuses on the album rather than any track.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Nov 19, 2010 8:30:23 GMT -5
I hear "Oh Santa!" on a particular commercial all the time (I'm not even sure what it's selling). Has the song benefited from a digital boost as a result?
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Post by Cautionme11/16 on Nov 19, 2010 8:41:19 GMT -5
LOL weaver, yeah, Weaver, it's starting to pick up. Are they still set to "One Child" to radio next week?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 8:42:49 GMT -5
I hear "Oh Santa!" on a particular commercial all the time (I'm not even sure what it's selling). Has the song benefited from a digital boost as a result? Its probably the Home Shopping Network commercial
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 19, 2010 9:34:02 GMT -5
If OS peaks at half the airplay that AIWFCIY achieves, that would be decent enough. But, radio's going to have to REALLY pick up on it for that to happen, because at current trends, it's far off the mark.
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Post by switchblade on Nov 19, 2010 11:28:20 GMT -5
UK midweeks.
Album Down to 88
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Post by gregtheone on Nov 19, 2010 11:48:02 GMT -5
Sony is not stupid enough to sell their catalog to the artist. Therefore, it has to be Sony sold the rights to her in order for her to re-record but of cos Sony will get small commission for every copy of that re-recording single she sold. Mariah bought the publishing rights to all her songs but Sony kept the masters. Meaning Sony owns the original mastered versions as they appeared on the album. Mariah owns the song itself and the rights to license/market them for royalty payments. If she wants to use the original album version as mastered back when the album was first sold, she has to strike a deal with Sony. Otherwise, she can just re-record it and Sony doesn't get a penny. Right now Universal Publishing works her catalogue for her and they get a small cut from licenscing her songs for commercials, performances, radio, etc. Do we know what could have led Sony to sell her the rights to her songs ? I can't think of a single good reason buisness-wise, especially after the whole MJ / The Beatles / Sony precedent when they tried as hard as possible to get their catalogue from him.
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Post by SMuha on Nov 19, 2010 14:16:39 GMT -5
Mariah bought the publishing rights to all her songs but Sony kept the masters. Meaning Sony owns the original mastered versions as they appeared on the album. Mariah owns the song itself and the rights to license/market them for royalty payments. If she wants to use the original album version as mastered back when the album was first sold, she has to strike a deal with Sony. Otherwise, she can just re-record it and Sony doesn't get a penny. Right now Universal Publishing works her catalogue for her and they get a small cut from licenscing her songs for commercials, performances, radio, etc. Do we know what could have led Sony to sell her the rights to her songs ? I can't think of a single good reason buisness-wise, especially after the whole MJ / The Beatles / Sony precedent when they tried as hard as possible to get their catalogue from him. Her contract with Sony/ATV expired and the rights reverted back to Mariah. Sony/ATV didn't sell them, and Mariah didn't buy them.
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Post by Cautionme11/16 on Nov 19, 2010 14:32:22 GMT -5
I was just on yes.com for awhile. It's crazy how many times they've played AIWFCIY in the past half hour lol :O
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Post by cking33 on Nov 19, 2010 15:52:35 GMT -5
HITS came out with their top 15 predictions, and #15 was slated to sell 45-50k. Mariah was not on that list.
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Post by stevyy on Nov 19, 2010 16:52:52 GMT -5
I expect Mariah to sell another 30k this week.
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Post by Where will Mimi be? on Nov 19, 2010 17:18:03 GMT -5
???Poor Mimi....even xmas can't save her now she should have dumped nick and aborted the child and gone super sexy for a hot new album!
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Post by KMJ1 on Nov 19, 2010 18:14:06 GMT -5
^ LOL. Its true- Nick has only been a career jinx for her since day one! lol. Everything shes put out since they got married has virtually been a disaster or lukewarm at best.
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