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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 11, 2012 7:00:11 GMT -5
Starting with this week, it seems like the new R&B chart has digital sales factored in its formula. 'Diamonds' is the current #1 R&B song in the US The old R&B chart used audience impressions from Urban and Urban AC stations monitored by BDS and physical single sales from R&B retailers as tracked by Nielsen SoundScan. With digital sales becoming more and more prominent, Billboard created genre-specific digital charts to track the most popular songs in each genre. A flawed system per se because going by genre classifications on digital outlets like iTunes, it is clear that labels will put songs under the genre "Pop" because that page gets more traffic and hence attracts more customers. Now Billboard has created the following R&B charts: - Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay - Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Singles (airplay + sales) - R&B Songs (not sure which formula this uses) It's a damn mess. How do they know how many digital downloads come from customers who heard a song on an Urban station and decided to buy it? They don't, because judging by Rihanna being #1 they just assumed the song belonged on the chart. 'Diamonds' is not even top 50 at Urban radio! I'm pissed off!
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Post by Lozzy on Oct 11, 2012 7:06:49 GMT -5
What the fuck? So stupid. At least they're still publishing the airplay chart.
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Post by elementd5 on Oct 11, 2012 7:36:15 GMT -5
They seem to have incorporated sales into the Counrty chart, too. This is all a hot mess!!!! Completely unrepresentative.
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Post by mew2 on Oct 11, 2012 7:49:36 GMT -5
A MESS.
Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay will always be the TRUE R&B/Hip-Hop chart. You know... the one where R&B or Hip-Hop songs will be #1.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 11, 2012 7:54:24 GMT -5
I'm about to write them a LOOOOONG email about this! They need to fix this mess
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Post by Ling-Ling on Oct 11, 2012 7:54:30 GMT -5
This is one of the stupidest decisions they have ever made in the history of Billboard.
The way artists are classified is so racist as it is. Because an artist is black, they're automatically considered R&B? Does this mean a pop track like "Only Girl (In The World)" will go to #1? "Starships?" "Scream?" "Don't Wake Me Up?"
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Post by Sounds from the Other Side on Oct 11, 2012 8:07:34 GMT -5
The way artists are classified is so racist as it is. Because an artist is black, they're automatically considered R&B? Does this mean a pop track like "Only Girl (In The World)" will go to #1? "Starships?" "Scream?" "Don't Wake Me Up?" It seems very arbitrary. I don't get it.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 11, 2012 8:33:08 GMT -5
Billboard Shakes Up Genre Charts With New Methodology October 11, 2012 | By Billboard Staff Billboard today unveils new methodology for the long-standing Hot Country Songs, Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Hot Latin Songs charts. Each receive a major consumer-influenced face-lift, as digital download sales (tracked by Nielsen SoundScan) and streaming data (tracked by Nielsen BDS from such services as Spotify, Muve, Slacker, Rhapsody, Rdio and Xbox Music, among others) will now be factored into the 50-position rankings, along with existing radio airplay data monitored by Nielsen BDS. The makeovers will enable these charts to match the methodology applied to Billboard's signature all-genre songs ranking, the Billboard Hot 100.
Concurrently, Hot Rock Songs, which launched as an airplay-only chart in 2009, and Rap Songs, in existence as a radio survey since 1989, will also include digital download sales and streaming data for the first time.
The charts are now viewable on billboard.com and billboard.biz.
In addition, Billboard is launching a new chart, R&B Songs, which will incorporate the same airplay/sales/streaming hybrid formula to rank the week's top R&B-only (non-rap) titles. R&B Songs and Rap Songs will serve as 25-position distillations of the overall Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, highlighting the differences between pure R&B and rap titles in the overall, wide-ranging R&B/hip-hop field.
"The way people consume music continues to evolve and as a result so do our genre charts, which now track the many new ways fans experience, listen to and buy music," says Silvio Pietroluongo, Billboard Director of Charts. "We're proud to be offering updated genre charts that better reflect the current music landscape as well as a new R&B Songs chart that finally shines a spotlight solely on core R&B acts like Frank Ocean, John Legend and Anthony Hamilton."
Billboard has been charting the popularity of R&B songs since 1942, with numerous changes in methodology implemented through the years. The most recent formula sports an almost-exclusive reliance on radio airplay. The Hot Country Songs chart similarly dates to 1944 and has also undergone multiple changes in its formula, with the most recent incarnation being one fueled solely by radio airplay since the advent of BDS data in 1990.
Hot Latin Songs, meanwhile, has been based solely on radio airplay since its launch in 1986. In its new incarnation, only predominantly Spanish-language titles will appear on the chart. Titles mostly sung in English, which often receive Latin airplay and appear on the radio-based chart, are no longer eligible for inclusion. Dual-language songs (those recorded independently in both Spanish and English) will have only their Spanish-language airplay, sales and estimated streaming factored into their Hot Latin Songs rankings (see story, page 13).
Radio charts for each of the aforementioned rankings will be spun off and live in Billboard's print and/or online properties, each keeping its history from its first date utilizing BDS data: Rap Airplay (1989), Country Airplay (1990), R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay (1992), Latin Airplay (1994) and Rock Airplay (2009). Digital Songs charts for each genre, which have been in existence since 2010, will continue to be represented as separate rankings as well.
The move to the Hot 100-based formula will ensure that the top-ranked country, R&B/hip-hop, Latin and rock titles each week will be the top titles listed on each genre's songs ranking. This will be in line with how the Billboard 200 albums chart aligns with the albums charts for each corresponding genre. Because of the switch to new methodology, the week-to-week movements on the charts for some songs (in either direction) could be quite dramatic.
Until now, only country stations contributed to the Hot Country Songs chart, or R&B/hip-hop stations to Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs; the same held true for Latin and rock. The new methodology, which will utilize the Hot 100's formula of incorporating airplay from more than 1,200 stations of all genres monitored by BDS, will reward crossover titles receiving airplay on a multitude of formats. With digital download sales and streaming data measuring popularity on the most inclusive scale possible, it is only just the radio portion of Billboard chart calculations that includes airplay from the entire spectrum of monitored formats.
The immediate beneficiaries of this week's methodology change are Taylor Swift, Rihanna and Mumford & Sons.
Swift holds down the top two slots on Hot Country Songs with "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" and "Red." Her new country radio single "Begin Again" jumps 37-10. The pop-crossover No. 1 title ranks at No. 36 on Country Airplay (but also gets points associated with its pop-crossover play) and No. 1 on Country Digital Songs, while "Red" is absent from the Country Airplay list, but ranks No. 2 on Country Digital Songs. "Begin Again" appears at No. 29 on Country Airplay and No. 3 on Country Digital Songs.
Rihanna shuffles from No. 66 under the former Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs methodology all the way to No. 1 with "Diamonds," buoyed by crossover pop airplay of the track as well as strong digital sales (No. 1 on R&B/Hip-Hop Digital Songs). "Diamonds" also tops the inaugural R&B Songs tally. On Rap Songs, PSY soars 20-1 with his current No. 2 Hot 100 hit "Gangnam Style."
While fun. claims the No. 1 slot on Hot Rock Songs with its former Alternative No. 1 and current Hot 100 top 10 hit "Some Nights," Mumford & Sons' ride increased curiosity about their new album Babel to overwhelming streaming activity, placing all 12 songs from the set (as well as two others from the album's deluxe version) on the chart.
On Hot Latin Songs, Wisin & Yandel move to No. 1 with "Algo Me Gusta de Ti," featuring Chris Brown and T-Pain, matching its Latin Airplay rank. The track is No. 3 on Latin Digital Songs.
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Post by hitseeker. on Oct 11, 2012 8:41:49 GMT -5
This is not good at all and my main complaint is about the genre classifications, that's a very flawed method because often songs are not placed into a certain category because of themselves but because of the artists who sing them. Yes, Diamonds is sung by Rihanna who has released R&B-influenced songs in the past and yes it is charting on Rhythmic but it's not R&B Happy about its #1 though :)
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Oct 11, 2012 8:51:45 GMT -5
The what's the differences between BILLBOARD 100 and COUNTRY SONGS?
they mess country chart too.
Now every Taylor swift song will go #1 on country songs and she will have the most #1 country songs in history very soon.
this is so not fair.
no offense.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 11, 2012 8:58:20 GMT -5
I wrote an email to Gary Trust, who is listed as the charts manager in Billboard's contacts section. I hope he replies to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 9:04:20 GMT -5
This is not good at all and my main complaint is about the genre classifications, that's a very flawed method because often songs are not placed into a certain category because of themselves but because of the artists who sing them. Yes, Diamonds is sung by Rihanna who has released R&B-influenced songs in the past and yes it is charting on Rhythmic but it's not R&B Happy about its #1 though :) Rhythmic airplay never counted toward the R&B chart anyway.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Oct 11, 2012 9:04:39 GMT -5
I wrote an email to Gary Trust, who is listed as the charts manager in Billboard's contacts section. I hope he replies to me. i emailed him too. hope he replies me too <3
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 9:08:02 GMT -5
The industry has been effectively killing off the R&B genre for awhile. Pop radio won't touch it. Labels are consolidating and either laying off many of the employees in their R&B divisions or moving those people from the R&B divisions to the pop divisions. Now Billboard has found a way to marginalize true R&B acts by ensuring that crossover black acts will have an advantage over them on their own genre-specific chart.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Oct 11, 2012 9:08:15 GMT -5
Why would they do that? It does not make sense at all. It is not and it will not be a correct and even fair representation of those individual charts...AT ALL.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 11, 2012 9:14:27 GMT -5
This is what I wrote to Gary Trust:
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Post by hitseeker. on Oct 11, 2012 9:34:44 GMT -5
This is not good at all and my main complaint is about the genre classifications, that's a very flawed method because often songs are not placed into a certain category because of themselves but because of the artists who sing them. Yes, Diamonds is sung by Rihanna who has released R&B-influenced songs in the past and yes it is charting on Rhythmic but it's not R&B Happy about its #1 though :) Rhythmic airplay never counted toward the R&B chart anyway. Thanks Jazzy, I thought it did :) then to which chart does Rhythmic airplay count towards? Only Radio Songs? Mario, great e-mail, very well written, I hope he does reply to you :)
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Post by elementd5 on Oct 11, 2012 9:36:12 GMT -5
The fact that PSY and Flo Rida are #1 and #2 on Rap Songs just makes me sad. No traditional rap/hip-hop fan considers their music synonymous with that genre.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 11, 2012 9:38:25 GMT -5
The reply I got from Silvio:
I am sooo furious! I wrote him back!
And he replied:
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Post by Lozzy on Oct 11, 2012 9:46:04 GMT -5
This decision was arrived at after much internal discussion as well as feedback from the R&B music/label community. I refuse to believe that. And please note, our decisions are based on song genre, not artist. So Usher’s “Numb” would not be on the R&B charts. "Numb" is just as R&B as "Diamonds". Rihanna’s song is just below the top 50 or R&B Airplay and the label is working the song to the format heavily starting this week. Just why? Anita (who I love) would have a hard time ever topping R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay. We created R&B Songs (a new chart) for those specific type of artists, ensuring more top 10s in their future. And how so does it help them? Billboard have truly lost touch with reality.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Oct 11, 2012 9:48:51 GMT -5
Rihanna ain't gon' never take a break now that she's grabbing #1 on R&B. Lol. This is a MESS!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 9:49:40 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that the "R&B music community" encouraged them to do this. But I would not be surprised if they received pressure from the major labels to do this, because it gives greater exposure to their crossover acts (their money makers). These labels are not concerned with genre-specific artists anymore. They're only interested in artists with the greatest crossover/widespread appeal, and this allows them to appear even more successful. So now Island can brag about Rihanna having the #1 R&B song in the country, despite not even being ranked in the Top 50 in terms of airplay.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 11, 2012 9:53:21 GMT -5
My final response to him:
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Post by Lozzy on Oct 11, 2012 9:55:44 GMT -5
My final response to him: Don't be sorry.
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Post by Rican@ on Oct 11, 2012 10:00:04 GMT -5
Royalty Stan, you better preach it. Let them know about this foolery.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 10:04:33 GMT -5
Does this mean that a very R&B sounding artist like Mariah Carey (who nonetheless also charts on pop) will now primarily chart on the R&B chart if the folks at Billboard decide her songs sound more R&B than pop?
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Post by Rican@ on Oct 11, 2012 10:06:11 GMT -5
Does this mean that a very R&B sounding artist like Mariah Carey (who nonetheless also charts on pop) will now primarily chart on the R&B chart if the folks at Billboard decide her songs sound more R&B than pop? Um where you been at? Mariah makes music strictly for R&B now. So she will be charting there
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Oct 11, 2012 10:06:20 GMT -5
Does this mean that a very R&B sounding artist like Mariah Carey (who nonetheless also charts on pop) will now primarily chart on the R&B chart if the folks at Billboard decide her songs sound more R&B than pop? Yes, if it has enough airplay from pop radio because airplay from all format will be counted :)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 10:24:40 GMT -5
Does this mean that a very R&B sounding artist like Mariah Carey (who nonetheless also charts on pop) will now primarily chart on the R&B chart if the folks at Billboard decide her songs sound more R&B than pop? What do you mean primarily? Many of her singles will chart on both, as they have since 1990.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Oct 11, 2012 10:30:58 GMT -5
On Rap Songs, PSY soars 20-1 with his current No. 2 Hot 100 hit "Gangnam Style."
HOLY. F#CKING. SH!T. Sh!t has hit the fan people.
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