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Post by p0isonparadise. on Oct 11, 2012 10:34:40 GMT -5
This is the dumbest fucking thing Billboard has ever done. Bye.
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Post by josh on Oct 11, 2012 10:36:47 GMT -5
Wait. Rihanna is under Pop on iTunes. So then why isn't 1D #1???
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Post by Sir Benji on Oct 11, 2012 10:40:08 GMT -5
This is the dumbest f**king thing Billboard has ever done. Bye. It really is. I hope they receive major backlash for this bullshit. You shouldn't attempt to fix things that aren't broken
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Post by vantiboy3 on Oct 11, 2012 10:42:19 GMT -5
They might as well just incorporate the whole damn lot. Gospel, Christian, Polka, Jazz etc, and give Taylor, Rihanna and the rest of the Mainstream Acts their billion No. 1's.
I am so disgusted.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Oct 11, 2012 10:46:12 GMT -5
Imagine if "Diamonds" gets play on Smooth Jazz radio.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Oct 11, 2012 10:48:06 GMT -5
This is basically going to guarantee those crossover artists numerous amounts of #1 debuts who are huge digital sellers but may not be receiving the airplay that it should on those formats. Disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 11:03:44 GMT -5
Wait. Rihanna is under Pop on iTunes. So then why isn't 1D #1??? Because Rihanna is black and 1D aren't.
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Post by Caviar on Oct 11, 2012 11:06:05 GMT -5
So what will the R&B Songs chart look like? Is that basically the R&B/Hip Hop chart but w/ rap songs removed?
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Post by josh on Oct 11, 2012 11:07:05 GMT -5
That's so raven racist.
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Post by Lozzy on Oct 11, 2012 11:08:22 GMT -5
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Post by allow that on Oct 11, 2012 11:08:53 GMT -5
This is like Gallup compiling data on our election forecast by polling Canadians and Australians.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Oct 11, 2012 12:10:17 GMT -5
This has me so PRESSED! I can't even know what to say anymore :'( :'(
They ruined my favorite chart.
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Post by kmbgs on Oct 11, 2012 15:20:48 GMT -5
So should we expect Taylor Swift to hold the newest 'longest running country #1' and Rihanna to hold the newest 'longest running R&B #1' in a few weeks? This was a poor decision.
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Post by Lozzy on Oct 11, 2012 15:30:34 GMT -5
So should we expect Taylor Swift to hold the newest 'longest running country #1' and Rihanna to hold the newest 'longest running R&B #1' in a few weeks? I don't think "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" will last 21 weeks, and I can't see "Diamonds" lasting 18 either. :)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 15:53:24 GMT -5
This has me so moved by weight or force in a certain direction or into a certain position! I can't even know what to say anymore :'( :'( They ruined my favorite chart. The chart still exists but with a different name. I don't see the big deal (besides what Jazzy posted).
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Post by Rican@ on Oct 11, 2012 15:58:36 GMT -5
I just don't like that pop airplay will influence all of the charts now. That's just unfair.
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Post by Au$tin on Oct 11, 2012 16:16:01 GMT -5
IMO, it would be cool if they would do it this way: Say a song has this type of airplay: 34.678 - Urban (57.669%) 8.773 - Urban AC (14.589%) 72.258 15.677 - Rhythmic (26.071%) 1.002 - Pop (1.666%) 0.003 - Hot AC (0.005%) Total AI - 60.133 Sales This Week - 75,893 Streams This Week - 543,988
Split sales and streaming up using the percentages that each format is giving the song in total airplay. (We'll combine Urban & Urban AC together).
Urban/Urban AC - 54,839 sales; 393,075 streams; 43.451 AI [R&B Chart] Rhythmic - 19,786 sales; 141,823 streams; 15.677 AI [I'm not sure what genre chart] Top 40 - 1,264 sales; 9,063 streams; 1.002 AI [Pop chart] AC/Hot AC - 38 sales; 272 streams; 0.003 AI [Adult Pop chart]
Then use their regular Hot 100 formula for each of those genre charts.
Assuming it is 1,000 sales = 1 point, 10,000 streams = 1 point, 1.000 AI = 1.5 points: R&B: 54.839+39.3075+65.1765=159.323 points Rhythmic: 19.786+14.1823+23.5155=57.4838 points Pop: 1.264+0.9063+1.503=3.6733 points Adult Pop: 0.038+0.0272+0.0045=0.0697 points
Now, I know that not all airplay formats contribute the same amount of sales and streaming to a song, but it is logically the best way to incorporate sales and streaming into the genre charts. And streaming and sales do need to be incorporated into the genre charts somehow. (It'd also bring back the defunct genre charts.)
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Oct 11, 2012 23:44:32 GMT -5
Wait. Rihanna is under Pop on iTunes. So then why isn't 1D #1??? Because Rihanna is black and 1D aren't. maybe parts of 1D are.
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Post by chocolatethunder on Oct 12, 2012 0:00:14 GMT -5
Crazy basically agree with everyone they have been cutting R&B step by step and now just decided to stab the heart with a knife and kill it once and for all. Pop dance records will take over even more and more and more artists will step in line and change their sound, my favorite type of music is dead, RIP.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 0:14:23 GMT -5
With this new rule they might as well change the name of the R&B charts back to "Top Black Singles" because that is exactly what this is going to become.
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Post by Rican@ on Oct 12, 2012 0:40:42 GMT -5
With this new rule they might as well change the name of the R&B charts back to "Top Black Singles" because that is exactly what this is going to become. Lol I thought that same thing. That's the true method they are using now
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Post by vantiboy3 on Oct 12, 2012 2:00:20 GMT -5
Radio DJ's are joining in the discussion. Heard at least 3 disc jockies on 3 different URBAN MAINSTREAM and URBAN AC stations saying this will in the end force radio stations to adjust their playlists to include non-Urban hits that are "topping" the Urban charts.
One added that the new chart is NOT a true reflection of what is popular on Urban radio, and in no way implies that those songs are the Top songs in the Urban market.
A comment by one guy summed all this up. A lot of R&B and Urban radio stations have been bought up and changed to Mainstream music that is classified as "Rhythmic". Now the remaining Urban stations are sidelined even further, by not being recognised on a chart that they are an integral part of.
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Post by leoapp on Oct 12, 2012 2:41:22 GMT -5
illboard = A mess Seriously, today, it's very hard to make a difference between: - a country song released by a country artist - a pop song released by a country artist all can hit #1 on country??? Similar problem - an urban song released by an urban artist - a pop song released by an urban artist - an urban song released by a pop artist all can hit #1 on urban???
Poor for some real country and urban artists who are consistent with their main genre, their chance to hit #1 on Hot 100 is already difficult, and now, on their main genre, it's also very difficult, beaten by all those crossover #1 hits
Waiting till digital sales count on Dance club chart, so #1 hits on dance chart won't be some flop songs anymore, but all are crossover #1 hits icon_rolleyes.gif
Just realized that with this rule, Adele's Rolling In The Deep could've been #1 on urban & rock cos it even charted on urban and rock airplay
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Post by allow that on Oct 12, 2012 12:20:40 GMT -5
Dare I bring up speculation over which songs would have reached #1 on the chart over the past year had this new methodology already been in effect?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 18:05:26 GMT -5
Dare I bring up speculation over which songs would have reached #1 on the chart over the past year had this new methodology already been in effect? Depends on what BB would have deemed to be 'r&b.' They had enough sense not to put Numb or Pound the Alarm on the chart for example (those songs would both be there if they had), but would they have excluded Scream or Starships? Their weak justification for Diamonds was that it's gone for urban adds so maybe that is the difference, but I have a feeling they would have counted Scream, and that, rather than Climax, would have been the #1 song until Diamonds came along. S&M and Man Down would have been #1. Talk That Talk, Birthday Cake, and Take Care would have been easy #2s. (RITD would probably have been called 'r&b' b/c of its mild r&b influenced sound, and thus hogged the top spot most weeks). Miguel would have been lucky to even break the top 20 with anything
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Post by allow that on Oct 12, 2012 19:21:28 GMT -5
but would they have excluded Scream or Starships? Their weak justification for Diamonds was that it's gone for urban adds so maybe that is the difference, but I have a feeling they would have counted Scream, and that, rather than Climax, would have been the #1 song until Diamonds came along. "Starships" went for adds and (briefly) got some minor format airplay so I feel as though this would have dominated the pole position of the chart for most of the Spring into early summer. "Climax" peaked at #17 on the Hot 100 so I feel like it would have possibly still peaked at #1, albeit maybe only for one or two frames. I think "Take Care" would have been #1 for much of this past January/February/March. True and tragic. This dude right here is Urban's rising star and he no longer has a sky to shine down from (overdramatic yet 2tru). Like I said before, what chart is left to measure what's huge for those avid music fans unattached to the Pop chart? Miguel's audience is massive but just not on Z100...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 19:09:18 GMT -5
The what's the differences between BILLBOARD 100 and COUNTRY SONGS? they mess country chart too. Now every Taylor swift song will go #1 on country songs and she will have the most #1 country songs in history very soon. this is so not fair. no offense. It's not her fault that them other gurls can't compete. And the same goes for Rihanna. All the others R&B and Country artists better step up their game if they want to hit #1.
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Post by Rican@ on Oct 17, 2012 0:31:07 GMT -5
That statement could be true if the materials they were releasing stay true to the respective genres right now, eh
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Post by allow that on Oct 17, 2012 10:47:19 GMT -5
And the same goes for Rihanna. All the others R&B and Country artists better step up their game if they want to hit #1. Well you just said it. Step up their GAME. It's not supposed to be a game. It's supposed to be a measurement of the most popular songs in the Urban community. The #1 at the time of the policy shift, Miguel's "Adorn," is 1) high in quality 2) high in popularity and 3) high in authenticity as an R&B/hip-hop song. Why should he "step up" anything to compete at his own core when its already the cream of the crop? But you're right... he'll need to play THE GAME better in order to continue his impressive accumulation of R&B #1's moving forward.
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Post by hidizzyguy on Oct 17, 2012 15:18:35 GMT -5
There has been a lot of R&B that has stepped up in the past few years.
Ugh!!! I listen to R&B SPECIFICALLY to get away from Rihanna!
I hate that fucking bitch!
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