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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2010 17:38:33 GMT -5
Michael has hundreds and hundreds of songs left in the vaults and his label is planning endless posthumous releases and projects for years to come. Obviously this material will not do as well as he did in the 70's through the early 90's but how do you think this will all work out?
I think posthumous projects that utilize his old material may be successful but I dont think theyre going to find much success marketing his unreleased material. Their only hope is to do like has been done with 2Pac and just throw some vocal tracks over new instrumental tracks although I dont even know how successful they would be with that. Its very different for rappers and singers. Releasing songs that were recorded in 1985 or 1991 or whatever is not going to fly. Only hardcore fans want to hear songs left off of Thriller, Bad, and Dangerous.
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Post by Lozzy on Nov 8, 2010 8:48:51 GMT -5
I agree with you. They'll chart on sales chart, but not very high, and do nothing on airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2010 14:34:49 GMT -5
There is instantly controversy as to whether or not all the lead vocals on the new album are even Michael. His family says theyre not. This is definitely going to be a controversial moment in music history and will plague this album
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Post by shawnshamrock on Nov 8, 2010 17:31:12 GMT -5
Since he has died he has gained tons of new fans. Which sadly often happens to people considered to be musical icons.
Just going to assume the album could open in the 350,000 - 400,000 range.
I personally don't see any of the singles charting too high or getting much airplay.
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Post by weaver on Nov 8, 2010 21:41:11 GMT -5
I guess it depends how it sounds really...I heard a piece of that song "Breaking News" today and...it kinda sounded like a leftover from Dangerous or something.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Nov 9, 2010 0:42:36 GMT -5
It could really go either way. There are plenty of fans who would purchase it just because it is one of his albums, but the question really is, "will they?"
I am assuming they have plenty of material to work with, but of course, there is a reason much of it remains unreleased. And if the question as to whether it is really Michael singing on some, or even most of these continues to come up, that is going to create some trouble, and possibly some lawsuits.
Bringing in some current singers to add their vocals and lyrics to his unreleased songs could help get a little more bang out of it, but that too could go either way. I cannot see too many radio stations jumping on such tracks and playing them (not right now at least). Even without the airplay, a project of that nature could do moderately well or even pretty good.
Remixing some of the older tracks and making them sound a bit more in line with the current sound could possibly work. Obviously, much of his work has a distinct feel and is in line with the aesthetic of that particular project. For the most part, it is possible to tell which album a particular song appeared on. And the remixing would need to be done in such a way that it preserves the integrity of the song, and it shouldn't be done in a cheap way. It shouldn't just be some canned beats and loops just dropped over the top of the unreleased recordings (like with the song "This Is It", even the version that Safire released on her I Wasn't Born Yesterday album nearly 18 years before Michael's version sounded more modern and properly produced).
Gone are the days when most labels actually spent money on this sort of thing and actually cared about how the final product sounded. If it were up to the label, they would probably keep putting out some sort of new greatest hits, ultimate collection, #1's collection, etc. types of packages every few years.
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Post by Gaz@NokiaMusic on Nov 11, 2010 8:42:23 GMT -5
Well, I don't have as much to say about this as everyone else, but they're as good as sold already, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2010 15:38:56 GMT -5
Billboard published an article a few weeks ago saying Sony is expecting the new album to debut with sales of 400k and hit a million sold within the first month. I dont know if I agree with that. Hold My Hand is doing okay but its definitely not lighting up the charts. There is very minimal interest for it on iTunes. Also the album is just not very good and I dont see it getting very good word of mouth
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Post by malwaredie on Dec 6, 2010 15:44:59 GMT -5
Billboard published an article a few weeks ago saying Sony is expecting the new album to debut with sales of 400k and hit a million sold within the first month. I dont know if I agree with that. Hold My Hand is doing okay but its definitely not lighting up the charts. There is very minimal interest for it on iTunes. Also the album is just not very good and I dont see it getting very good word of mouth That just shows how out of touch Sony is. Weren't many of the songs leaked months ago? |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Dec 10, 2010 3:33:12 GMT -5
Billboard published an article a few weeks ago saying Sony is expecting the new album to debut with sales of 400k and hit a million sold within the first month. I dont know if I agree with that. Hold My Hand is doing okay but its definitely not lighting up the charts. There is very minimal interest for it on iTunes. Also the album is just not very good and I dont see it getting very good word of mouth That just shows how out of touch Sony is. Weren't many of the songs leaked months ago? Some of them did, but the versions on the album may differ considerably from those leaked versions. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 10, 2010 3:39:05 GMT -5
he doesn't have #1 singles hiding in the vault. He's been dead for over a year. Everything is going to flop. Just get over it.
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Post by Carlitoz on Dec 10, 2010 21:58:54 GMT -5
Not very excited about this since it's something Michael did, but reworked or finished by other producers and guest artists. I would've liked stuff Michael himself did and approved. Maybe they had already used the best outtakes throughout the years and there was nothing left they could use just as it was without changing anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2010 15:39:45 GMT -5
The album is projected to debut with 225-250k, a little over half of what Sony was expecting
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Post by malwaredie on Dec 15, 2010 15:51:04 GMT -5
As expected, Sony is out of touch with reality.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Dec 16, 2010 7:54:48 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to be doing horrendously, but to be honest I wish it would. If I were a big MJ fan (or indeed the man himself), I wouldn't want poorly produced albums of unreleased songs that have pretty much been regurgitated by people like Akon clogging up the charts. Let it be ffs.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 16, 2010 17:46:48 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to be doing horrendously, but to be honest I wish it would. If I were a big MJ fan (or indeed the man himself), I wouldn't want poorly produced albums of unreleased songs that have pretty much been regurgitated by people like Akon clogging up the charts. Let it be ffs. Ummm Sony isn't the only one that's fast and loose with reality. MJ and Akon's song was produced the way it was supposed to be. In fact it's almost identical to the finished version that leaked 2 years ago that was pulled as a result of the leak. |
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Dec 16, 2010 18:04:11 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to be doing horrendously, but to be honest I wish it would. If I were a big MJ fan (or indeed the man himself), I wouldn't want poorly produced albums of unreleased songs that have pretty much been regurgitated by people like Akon clogging up the charts. Let it be ffs. Ummm Sony isn't the only one that's fast and loose with reality. MJ and Akon's song was produced the way it was supposed to be. In fact it's almost identical to the finished version that leaked 2 years ago that was pulled as a result of the leak. , it was crap then, and it's crap now  |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 16, 2010 18:38:40 GMT -5
Ummm Sony isn't the only one that's fast and loose with reality. MJ and Akon's song was produced the way it was supposed to be. In fact it's almost identical to the finished version that leaked 2 years ago that was pulled as a result of the leak. , it was crap then, and it's crap now It's your opinion that it's crap. Other people disagree with you . If people didn't like it they simply wouldn't buy it. That's the bottom line. |
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Dec 16, 2010 18:46:42 GMT -5
Yeah, it was crap then, and it's crap now It's your opinion that it's crap. Other people disagree with you . If people didn't like it they simply wouldn't buy it. That's the bottom line. Of course that's the bottom line. I offered an opinion. Some agree, some don't. That was hardly an eye-opener ??? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 20:00:16 GMT -5
-- 3 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 224,910 --
MICHAEL
This is definitely not the blockbuster holiday smash the label was expecting
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 29, 2010 18:40:35 GMT -5
-- 3 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 224,910 -- MICHAEL This is definitely not the blockbuster holiday smash the label was expecting Yeah, I read in Rolling Stone that the label was predicting over 400k in sales and were planning on shipping 900k copies. Ouch.  Even worse, I think "Hold My Hand" is beginning to peak. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 20:26:43 GMT -5
Hold My Hand looks like it is going to peak just inside the Top 40 in the US and it peaked at #10 in the UK. I am sure Sony was expecting the single to do better than that as well especially with Akon on it and it being his first "real" single since his passing plus his first single from a studio album in 9 years
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Post by tearsdryontheirown on Dec 30, 2010 1:08:01 GMT -5
Some people are put off by the fact that he is dead and material is being released. It is a little creepy. They are unreleased for a reason and without his final touches, they are inevitably going to feel incomplete. I have no doubt that if Thriller emerged after his death it would be a sensation. The material just hasn't been compelling enough. Songs like his classics are not coming up and I don't think they will. They could only cheapen his work by bringing in trendy producers so it's a tricky situation.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 30, 2010 1:50:16 GMT -5
i'm not even remotely interested in "his" new music, and I should be, but i'm not. I just don't care. He's dead. Nothing released is going to be this hidden #1 smash. I'm not that naive. Only the hardcore fans will appreciate this stuff. I'm not hardcore.
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Post by out of reach on Dec 30, 2010 11:20:49 GMT -5
I also think he has been overexposed so I don't think it was the right timing. And the negative comments by family or Will I am didn't help either. The producer messed up big time though, he needed to keep it close to MJ as possible. When those songs leaked and people we're questioning if it was MJ was a blunder as well.
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