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Post by Deano91 on Nov 10, 2010 16:18:09 GMT -5
under cnm.
wheres this from? i dont understand why he doesnt release multiple singles from one album. lets see how this song does without a featured artist.
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Post by Spidey on Nov 10, 2010 16:28:40 GMT -5
This song was a bonus track on Raymond v. Raymond I believe.
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Post by Rεvôlvεr† on Nov 10, 2010 16:36:54 GMT -5
It's better than some of the material that made the album, that's for sure..
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Post by Minor Scratch on Nov 10, 2010 16:50:30 GMT -5
Did RedOne remix it again? This is all Raymond Vs. Raymond has left for CHR so maybe its a good thing they are pushing this.
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Post by Nic (Britney Spears) on Nov 10, 2010 17:13:14 GMT -5
Hm i'll have to go download this... ;)
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Post by Epic Fail on Nov 10, 2010 22:21:21 GMT -5
He shaould have just done a dance pop album to begin with. RnB is dead.
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 10, 2010 22:30:53 GMT -5
untrue. it just doesnt bring the digital sales. r &b artitsts tend to have more loyal fanbases than pop artitst. usher being both helps a lot. a big r & b hit or two gets u a gold album. the same cant be said for pop artists.
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Post by Epic Fail on Nov 10, 2010 22:34:24 GMT -5
what rnb acts are selling? I can think of two that scanned over a million without huge pop hits: Sade and Alicia, but they have large installed fan bases (that have clearly fallen off compared to previous efforts because thier music is not relevant).
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 10, 2010 22:37:12 GMT -5
monica went gold like my example said. fantasia is at 300k now and her album has a lot of room to grow from now in till the end of the year. trey songz is selling quite well, though he does have some pop support. i wish i followd r & b more so i could give a better argument. ur prbly right though
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Post by Lozzy on Nov 11, 2010 1:43:45 GMT -5
He should have one album and release at least 3 pop radio singles from it before going to a rerelease.
I believe;
03/2010 - OMG - Raymond V. Raymond (Original Edition)
07/2010 - DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love - Versus (EP)
08/2010 - Hot Tottie - Versus (EP)
11/2010 - More! - Raymond V. Raymond (Original Edition)
How messed up.
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Post by Samer on Nov 11, 2010 8:35:47 GMT -5
He should have one album and release at least 3 pop radio singles from it before going to a rerelease. I believe; 03/2010 - OMG - Raymond V. Raymond (Original Edition) 07/2010 - DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love - Versus (EP) 08/2010 - Hot Tottie - Versus (EP) 11/2010 - More! - Raymond V. Raymond (Original Edition) How messed up. I hate Usher's management!! Really, he shouldn't release albums, just singles |
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 11, 2010 9:40:36 GMT -5
He should have one album and release at least 3 pop radio singles from it before going to a rerelease. I believe; 03/2010 - OMG - Raymond V. Raymond (Original Edition) 07/2010 - DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love - Versus (EP) 08/2010 - Hot Tottie - Versus (EP) 11/2010 - More! - Raymond V. Raymond (Original Edition) How messed up. I hate Usher's management!! Really, he shouldn't release albums, just singles Usher is one of the 2 biggest male singers of the past decade. So that statement makes no sense at all. I do agree that this era was quite confusing in terms of single releases, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2010 9:40:49 GMT -5
I don't see why they did the EP either...it's not even doing that well. He should have just done a regular re-release because he had enough material on the first to keep smashing. "Guilty" :'(
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Post by elementd5 on Nov 11, 2010 9:45:51 GMT -5
He shaould have just done a dance pop album to begin with. RnB is dead. That would be the absolute worst thing he could possibly ever do. His R&B fans are already bitter about him even catering to the Pop market at all. Doing a full pop album would completely destroy the legacy that he has built the past 15 or so years. And 2 #1s, a #2, a #3, and 2 other Top 10 R&B hits in the past year say otherwise in regard to your later statement.  |
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Post by Minor Scratch on Nov 11, 2010 11:41:13 GMT -5
I think this will suffer the same fate as 'Dirty Picture'. Americans are still not ready for this heavy type of electro. This will be a huge Euro hit though, which they are probably betting on since this wasn't a bonus track but an album track over there.
Labels are starting to realize that the money is in worldwide audiences, not just US audiences. Satisfying US audiences just isn't worth it anymore because of our fickleness and hesitation to purchase music, and you can tell with many of these R&B and hip-hop artists going electro. I see Rihanna and BEP heading down this path too. Its not an Urban or CHR release thing anymore. Its a US and Worldwide thing.
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Post by Epic Fail on Nov 11, 2010 21:39:21 GMT -5
I think this will suffer the same fate as 'Dirty Picture'. Americans are still not ready for this heavy type of electro. This will be a huge Euro hit though, which they are probably betting on since this wasn't a bonus track but an album track over there. Labels are starting to realize that the money is in worldwide audiences, not just US audiences. Satisfying US audiences just isn't worth it anymore because of our fickleness and hesitation to purchase music, and you can tell with many of these R&B and hip-hop artists going electro. I see Rihanna and BEP heading down this path too. Its not an Urban or CHR release thing anymore. Its a US and Worldwide thing. 100% agree with. And RnB is stricly an American thing, so its a pointless route. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 11, 2010 22:58:59 GMT -5
I think this will suffer the same fate as 'Dirty Picture'. Americans are still not ready for this heavy type of electro. This will be a huge Euro hit though, which they are probably betting on since this wasn't a bonus track but an album track over there. Labels are starting to realize that the money is in worldwide audiences, not just US audiences. Satisfying US audiences just isn't worth it anymore because of our fickleness and hesitation to purchase music, and you can tell with many of these R&B and hip-hop artists going electro. I see Rihanna and BEP heading down this path too. Its not an Urban or CHR release thing anymore. Its a US and Worldwide thing. 100% agree with. And RnB is stricly an American thing, so its a pointless route. alicia got 3 top 10's in her last era in the uk |
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Post by Sir Benji on Nov 12, 2010 9:06:05 GMT -5
:confused: *sighs* if they were always gonna do then cutting "More" from the original made 0 sense. They could have put it on "Versus" and they missed that opportunity.
i agree with DarkFantasy. Usher had alot of great material on the original album to do well without a re-release. they should have just done a regular (5 song) re-release instead.
This song's U.S. release makes no sense so is he gonna do a re-re-release now? Throw the remix to iTunes? and Is this the last single (at Pop)? Honestly Jive is really stupid when it comes to situations like this.
btw I like the remix alot but imho it's way too Dancy/Electro for U.S. radio but this will be HUGE in Europe, i wouldn't be surprised if alot of stations here played the original version instead.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 12, 2010 12:41:20 GMT -5
I'm still pissed this didn't make the album or that they didn't release 'Guilty' as a single.
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Post by mamaloveme on Nov 12, 2010 13:20:49 GMT -5
this should on the album...i don't get it they suddenly going back to an album bonus track!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2010 14:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by outrageous on Nov 12, 2010 22:03:08 GMT -5
Since his team is going backwards they might as well release Guilty as well.
And they should have released a video for Hot Tottie. It was doing really well and with a push, could have done way better.
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Post by Lozzy on Nov 12, 2010 22:12:04 GMT -5
Guilty is good, I'd like that to be a single. I'm surprised Hot Tottie flopped like it did - I expected top 10, coming off OMG & DJ.
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Post by survivorqt on Nov 12, 2010 23:56:05 GMT -5
FIRE!
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Post by Mega248 on Nov 13, 2010 0:08:46 GMT -5
Guilty is good, I'd like that to be a single. I'm surprised Hot Tottie flopped like it did - I expected top 10, coming off OMG & DJ. I'm not. It was in the shadow of "DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love" for most of its chart run, in the same way that "Not Afraid" was unable to live up to its potential due to "LTWYL". I'd complain about him jumping further onto the bandwagon, but this one's actually pretty good. Probably strays a bit too far into the Euro end of the electropop spectrum for this to be as big as "OMG" an "DJ" though. |
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Post by California Cheers on Nov 13, 2010 0:51:12 GMT -5
i like this alot
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Post by Sure Thing on Nov 13, 2010 4:12:13 GMT -5
I know this is way to early to determine this but I think his next album could be massive if he comes hard again with his music. Could cement his legacy as one of the most dominating R&B artist of all time.
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Post by Haley on Nov 13, 2010 8:15:25 GMT -5
It's funny, I actually heard this while shopping one day just over a month ago (at Express I think?). I remembered some of the lyrics and typed it in my phone so when I went home I could download it. I automatically thought, why wasn't this ever a single and only an iTunes bonus track? So I'm definitely surprised to see it as a single now, lol.
The remix makes it club ready, which I don't think was needed. Radio will likely be playing both versions either way, though.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Nov 13, 2010 8:52:08 GMT -5
Guilty is good, I'd like that to be a single. I'm surprised Hot Tottie flopped like it did - I expected top 10, coming off OMG & DJ. I don't think 'Hot Tottie' had an adds date. |
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Post by Lozzy on Nov 13, 2010 9:32:26 GMT -5
Guilty is good, I'd like that to be a single. I'm surprised Hot Tottie flopped like it did - I expected top 10, coming off OMG & DJ. I'm not. It was in the shadow of "DJ Got Us Fallin' In Love" for most of its chart run, in the same way that "Not Afraid" was unable to live up to its potential due to "LTWYL". I'd complain about him jumping further onto the bandwagon, but this one's actually pretty good. Probably strays a bit too far into the Euro end of the electropop spectrum for this to be as big as "OMG" an "DJ" though. I suppose you're right - it's the same thing as Magic/Airplanes and Blah Blah Blah/TiK ToK. I wouldn't call Not Afraid/Love the Way You Lie a situation like B.o.B and Ke$ha's though. Not Afraid was stalling and looked like it would peak in the upper 20s - which is probably what it would've done without LTWYL. Then LTWYL was released and was an instant hit, bringing Eminem back into the spotlight - he hadn't had a big hit since 2005 I believe. Because radio was starting to reopen to Eminem with the help of LTWYL, the stations started playing Not Afraid - that was the 1st single after all, and some stations might prefer it (NA) for some reason. While LTWYL was smashing at the upper end of the charts, it pushed Not Afraid up to #15 - after that I suppose radio realized they should just focus on LTWYL and abandon Not Afraid - and Not Afraid dropped quite quickly. To me, B.o.B and Ke$ha's situations are about a follow-up to a big hit not being strong enough to have some of the large recurrent plays that the previous song was getting, whereas Eminem is about a second single helping to push up its preceder. Does that make sense? |
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