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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2010 21:52:40 GMT -5
If you & I had this discussion say, three or four years ago, for example, we could have confined the discussion to the Hot 100 and Billboard 200 and not have to discuss smaller radio charts at all.
Another sign of declining popularity
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Post by swim on Dec 5, 2010 22:04:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't count Fantasia as a "star" when comparing other Idols. Unfortunately, she only makes headlines for things other than her music.
I really don't see how AI in terms of record sales has declined any more than the general sales population. The only 5+ million albums from the show are Breakaway and Some Hearts. Anythings possible, but it's difficult for ANYONE to do this. It's definitely in question whether the show in the future will produce successful winners (which is really the fault of the labels, but that's another topic), but the ones who have already made it big (Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry) will be around for awhile.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 5, 2010 22:07:51 GMT -5
"international" success or lack of it was not what I was referring to in an AMERICAN Idol I was pointing out that other than maybe Carrie Underwood, there isn't a past winner or finalist out there that is big enough now to have a million selling album. Another symptom of the dwindling value of the American Idol brand name. It just seems weird and almost inaccurate IMO to measure someone's success (especially in this day and age) by the number of albums they've sold - I'm not sure, but hasn't Susan Boyle sold more CDs than Katy Perry? I also don't really get this discussion about Kelly Clarkson having Top 10s on CHR vs. the Hot 100 - she's a huge pop star, and Chris Daughtry almost owns the Hot AC format - I definitely wouldn't mind being in the position of either one
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2010 22:23:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind having one hit record and the fame and money that comes with it.
However, it would seem that American Idol artists in their heyday had much much bigger exposure than they have now, than being confined to very narrow genre charts.
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Post by MSradio on Dec 5, 2010 22:34:04 GMT -5
Well, obviously, they're not performing for 20-30 million people each week. They step off into their genre once the show ends and hope to connect with their core audience.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2010 22:45:34 GMT -5
The smaller the genre, the less the ability to maintain the exposure they in the first couple years after winning
This translates to fewer hit singles (beyond of course the narrow amount of stations that carry them), lower album sales and overall a decline in popularity -- which ties back to my original points
You aren't going to see 4 top 10 hits and 1 million CD copies anymore on a broad scale.
Now if we limit this to smaller-genre radio charts, then yes, you are correct. Fantasia, Daughtry, Carrie Underwood and Kelly Clarkson (and perhaps a few others - even Taylor Hicks if you limit your definition of "success") will continue to thrive.
On a broad scale though, I would limit that to Carrie Underwood (and perhaps I guess Daughtry)
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Post by tinawina on Dec 6, 2010 8:51:38 GMT -5
I really don't see how AI in terms of record sales has declined any more than the general sales population. Yeah, I don't think there are very many artists period that were uber popular during Kelly's Breakaway era that still enjoy the same level of popularity. Likewise, I don't thing there is another post grunge rock act that was big in the mid 2000s that can still go platinum - Nickleback and Daughtry are it. That's not Idol, that's the market. Its actually very difficult to get one of those red hot crazy selling eras, and next to impossible to keep it up over multiple albums. You can't attribute Kelly and Daughtry's decreased hit making status to Idol's wane. That is the nature of a pop career, no one stays on top forever. Sustained success there is very rare. And I won't even get into the implications of saying anyone without the mass market seal of approval is not really successful. That "only the pop charts" or "only what mass media covers" mentality is really, really dismissive of R&B, particularly black people that lots of white people don't think are attractive or sing music that lots of white people can get into. There I said it. Anyway, what is really the issue to me is that Idol hasn't produced a runaway hit debut album in a few years, not what is going on with the alumni.
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Post by malwaredie on Dec 6, 2010 10:17:43 GMT -5
2m is the best poster on the site. I agree with everything he has posted except the Cowell comment. I see the show fading unless the show actually promotes real talent and goes for broke during the next 2 seasons (Assuming it lasts that long).
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Post by Rurry on Dec 6, 2010 16:58:04 GMT -5
Once again...I think that the reason for Idol's decline has more to do with the show itself than the alumni.
It just got old. Really, nine years is a lot for a show that maintained basically the same format for it's entire run. (yes, there were minor tweaks along the way, but it never really drastically changed)
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Post by Kishi KCM on Dec 6, 2010 17:01:38 GMT -5
It had it's impact and peak. But the end near for sure. I've been watching since season 1 and I'm anxious to see how the last season will play out.
The search for a "star" has been...shaky.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 6, 2010 17:25:16 GMT -5
Now if we limit this to smaller-genre radio charts, then yes, you are correct. Fantasia, Daughtry, Carrie Underwood and Kelly Clarkson (and perhaps a few others - even Taylor Hicks if you limit your definition of "success") will continue to thrive. On a broad scale though, I would limit that to Carrie Underwood (and perhaps I guess Daughtry) AC isn't a "small genre" - it's more popular than CHR, and Kelly and Daughtry are played there constantly, and IMO will continue to be for years - and Hot AC is one of the highest-billing formats there is, and Kelly and Daughtry basically own that format I don't mean to cut down Carrie Underwood - it's just that IMO you'd have to be crazy to think that Kelly and Daughtry aren't on the same level of fame
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Post by carrieidol1 on Dec 6, 2010 22:48:44 GMT -5
Now if we limit this to smaller-genre radio charts, then yes, you are correct. Fantasia, Daughtry, Carrie Underwood and Kelly Clarkson (and perhaps a few others - even Taylor Hicks if you limit your definition of "success") will continue to thrive. On a broad scale though, I would limit that to Carrie Underwood (and perhaps I guess Daughtry) AC isn't a "small genre" - it's more popular than CHR, and Kelly and Daughtry are played there constantly, and IMO will continue to be for years - and Hot AC is one of the highest-billing formats there is, and Kelly and Daughtry basically own that format I don't mean to cut down Carrie Underwood - it's just that IMO you'd have to be crazy to think that Kelly and Daughtry aren't on the same level of fame Thats fine and good, but you failed to back up the statement....Not saying I disagree, but why do you think that?
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 7, 2010 21:20:59 GMT -5
AC isn't a "small genre" - it's more popular than CHR, and Kelly and Daughtry are played there constantly, and IMO will continue to be for years - and Hot AC is one of the highest-billing formats there is, and Kelly and Daughtry basically own that format I don't mean to cut down Carrie Underwood - it's just that IMO you'd have to be crazy to think that Kelly and Daughtry aren't on the same level of fame Thats fine and good, but you failed to back up the statement....Not saying I disagree, but why do you think that? Cause Kelly and Daughtry are huge on radio, and Carrie's huge with CD sales - to me, it doesn't seem like any one of the three is overshadowing the others right now
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Post by Caviar on Dec 7, 2010 21:32:02 GMT -5
Exactly!
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