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Post by john123 on Dec 15, 2010 17:46:29 GMT -5
How do you feel when stuff like politics come up in music? , and others that have political lyrics. I have no problem whatsoever, because it's better than hearing things like drinking and having sex. I think RATM or any band should have their freedom to talk about their politics in their music.
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Post by shawnshamrock on Dec 16, 2010 15:01:10 GMT -5
I think it depends on the song and the subject matter. There are sometimes where I think it is absolutely brilliant and other times just annoying. Like you are shoving this message down our throat but why? I think if it could be done without being shoved directly down your throat and makes you think. Then I think it's well worth it and achieves it's goal.
This is one of my favorite under the radar somewhat political song
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 17:12:34 GMT -5
I think it depends on whether or not I agree with the message. If someone is singing a message that I dont agree with then I probably wont enjoy listening to it. If they are singing something I agree with Im more likely to enjoy it
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Post by josuem1415 on Dec 16, 2010 20:04:26 GMT -5
Well, I was quite bothered by the HUGE st@nning for Obama by the music industry. Not because they really believed in his message, but because they just wanted to jump on the bandwagon.
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Dec 16, 2010 20:19:39 GMT -5
GOAT political-themed song, amazing video, etc. etc.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 16, 2010 21:58:14 GMT -5
^Yeah it seems like there was much more political stuff on CHR in the 80s - only political song I can think of that charted on pop in the last few years was Waiting On The World To Change (I'm probably forgetting something though)
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Post by halo19 on Dec 16, 2010 22:07:43 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't mind if it is a message that I disagree with. However, if the artist gets in ridiculous territory, it might dilute my taste for certain songs that they do. Politics have influence on the world, so we aren't going to hear about it without hearing it in music, as well as all entertainment forms.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2010 22:42:56 GMT -5
^Yeah it seems like there was much more political stuff on CHR in the 80s - only political song I can think of that charted on pop in the last few years was Waiting On The World To Change (I'm probably forgetting something though) I feel like it wasnt so much "political" messages in music but there was this trend of socially conscious songs on the radio around 1989-1991 or so |
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 17, 2010 8:06:53 GMT -5
^Just some political songs that hit CHR in the 80s I can think of...
Born In The U. S. A./Bruce Springsteen
Pink Houses/John Melloncamp
Rain On The Scarecrow/John Melloncamp
Land Of Confusion/Genesis
Russians/Sting
Rhythm Nation/Janet Jackson
Most political songs probably came out in the 70s though lol...
War (What Is It Good For)
For What It's Worth (Stop Hey What's That Sound)
Peace Train
Give Peace A Chance
Signs
and lots of other hippie/Vietnam protest songs
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Post by sadchild on Dec 17, 2010 10:01:14 GMT -5
RATM FTW
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Post by Mic Technique on Dec 17, 2010 16:51:35 GMT -5
I suppose I'm no more/no less wary of politics in music than I am the array of other resonant topics popular artists embrace in their craft including love, sex and religion.
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Post by WotUNeed on Dec 17, 2010 20:30:58 GMT -5
It depends. I mean, if the artist has something worth saying or, at the very least, seems to be informed about the matter of polcy which is the subject of his song, then I appreciate a poltical anthem as much as the next guy. If it's just someone whose only basis for his claims is that he's a self-appointed member of the morality polce, or someone who spouts off generalities in an attempt to pander to an audience but who fails to back up his claims with anything substantial, then the songs are often rubbish and the poltest way to deal with them is to pretend they don't exist. Basically, if the artist has taken the time to craft a polshed argument, then I'm all for listening to it, but a crappy thesis doth a crappy song make.
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Post by Slinky on Dec 19, 2010 4:51:36 GMT -5
I'm split on them: I would say complexity matters.
If an artist just throws out a bunch of ideas they believe in and they want me to believe in, I'll generally resist (I HATE "Imagine"... I know everyone loves it but I can't stand being preached to like that.)
If an artist tries to make a point through storytelling or metaphor (see Green Day or "Born In The USA"), I am much more likely to be receptive to it.
Also, I would say specificity matters. A song that directly came out and espoused particular views would turn me off more than one that is more generally talking about the state of the world today (pun intended). This is why I can like "Waiting For The World To Change" even though I don't agree with John Mayer all that much politically.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Dec 19, 2010 5:06:48 GMT -5
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Post by halo19 on Dec 19, 2010 7:05:42 GMT -5
When looking at the title, it looks like it could refer to politics actually making music. Hey, a third-party governor candidate here was a country/folk musician in the '70s.
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Post by Hook on Dec 19, 2010 12:59:04 GMT -5
Mixing politics with music can produce some brilliant results: Green Day's American Idiot album. So yes, I have no problem with it, although I don't automatically like a song or album just because it has a viewpoint that I agree with. It's very possible for a song to come across as too preachy, or pandering, or just ridiculously stupid.
And I don't listen to songs with political viewpoints I disagree with, but I don't have a problem with them being made for people who do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2010 17:55:13 GMT -5
^Just some political songs that hit CHR in the 80s I can think of... Born In The U. S. A./Bruce Springsteen Pink Houses/John Melloncamp Rain On The Scarecrow/John Melloncamp Land Of Confusion/Genesis Russians/Sting Rhythm Nation/Janet Jackson Most political songs probably came out in the 70s though lol... War (What Is It Good For) For What It's Worth (Stop Hey What's That Sound) Peace Train Give Peace A Chance Signs and lots of other hippie/Vietnam protest songs For What It's Worth and Give Peace A Chance are both from the 60's. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2010 18:16:26 GMT -5
^Just some political songs that hit CHR in the 80s I can think of... Born In The U. S. A./Bruce Springsteen Pink Houses/John Melloncamp Rain On The Scarecrow/John Melloncamp Land Of Confusion/Genesis Russians/Sting Rhythm Nation/Janet Jackson Most political songs probably came out in the 70s though lol... War (What Is It Good For) For What It's Worth (Stop Hey What's That Sound) Peace Train Give Peace A Chance Signs and lots of other hippie/Vietnam protest songs I am not completely familiar with all those 80s songs but songs like Rhythm Nation are more socially conscious to me then actually trying to be political. I feel like thats the type of song you could relate to or whatever regardless of what your political standing is unless youre a racist or something. There were a lot of songs like that. Not only Janets Rhythm Nation but there were also songs like Another Day in Paradise and Tracie Spencer had that song This House. Everyone around that time seemed very into singing about poverty and equality and whatnot moreso than going the route of protest or bashing a certain political figure |
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Post by Marv on Dec 19, 2010 21:36:10 GMT -5
'For What It's Worth' was released in 1967, and 'Give Peace a Chance' was recorded in a hotel room in Toronto in 1970, and released later that year.
For folks such as myself who grew up on politically charged music from the sixties and seventies, Don Henley, Bruce Springsteen & John Mellencamp certainly carried on the tradition of mixing blistering political commentary with top-notch musicianship throughout the eighties; Midnight Oil's 1987 standout 'Beds Are Burning' certainly merits major recognition.
Even Motown got into the act in the late 60's and early 70's, with 'Ball Of Confusion' by the Temptations & Edwin Starr's thunderous 'War' among their contributions to the genre.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2010 21:47:25 GMT -5
I don't know what "poltics" are but when it comes to politics in music... I suppose I'm no more/no less wary of politics in music than I am the array of other resonant topics popular artists embrace in their craft including love, sex and religion. Yes. I guess I like music to be a balance of different topics. Politics in music is so easy to get wrong (some of the songs mentioned in this thread being prime examples  ), but do love a lot of socially conscious and politically charged songs. 'For What It's Worth' was released in 1967, and 'Give Peace a Chance' was recorded in a hotel room in Toronto in 1970, and released later that year. I hate to correct a correction of a correction, but "Give Peace A Chance" is from 1969. |
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 19, 2010 22:00:36 GMT -5
Don Henley, Bruce Springsteen & John Mellencamp certainly carried on the tradition of mixing blistering political commentary with top-notch musicianship throughout the eighties; Midnight Oil's 1987 standout 'Beds Are Burning' certainly merits major recognition. Yeah completely forgot about... Don Henley/Dirty Laundry Don Henley/The End Of The Innocence Bruce Hornsby/The Way It Is Billy Joel/We Didn't Start The Fire 2PAC/Changes The guy from Midnight Oil was actually a governor I think, or some kind of politician from Australia One of my favorite songs of all time is a political song from the late 90s called Lie On Lie by Chalk Farm (it flopped >:() - but it was used by teachers across the country in social studies lessons |
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Post by john123 on Dec 21, 2010 6:58:22 GMT -5
I've seen Pearl Jam and U2 have quoted Noam Chomsky at concerts. Different from the mainstream usually has, when it comes to politics.
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Post by slicknickshady on Dec 21, 2010 15:07:20 GMT -5
Eminem - White America
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Post by Continuum on Dec 21, 2010 15:42:33 GMT -5
Party In The U.S.A. - Miley Cyrus :)
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Post by CookyMonzta on Dec 30, 2010 3:10:26 GMT -5
Two words: Public Enemy. In the last 25 years, none have ever come close to being as overtly political as they were.
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Post by Au$tin on Jan 1, 2011 20:14:19 GMT -5
"Dear Mr. President" from P!nk is one of her best songs. So powerful, and so amazing. Of course, it was written to George W. Bush. So was "Fuck You" by Lily Allen, although that's not as noticeable as P!nk's.
I think politics in songs is hard to do. For many reasons.
01) You can end up with a terrible and whiny song.
02) You can end up losing those fans who don't agree with you.
03) You start controversy that can end your career. (See Sinéad O'Connor)
However, if you get it right, then you can end up with a highly respected song, or at least one that won't hurt your career and just be a blimp on the radar.
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Post by john123 on Mar 4, 2011 22:13:21 GMT -5
So, why are there so few libertarian music? It's a great philosophy that has influence so many great people. From John Locke to Thomas Jefferson to Ayn Rand to Ron Paul to Henry Browne to Ludwig Von Misses.
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Post by blue in moonlight on Mar 11, 2011 22:49:30 GMT -5
I think it depends on whether or not I agree with the message. If someone is singing a message that I dont agree with then I probably wont enjoy listening to it. If they are singing something I agree with Im more likely to enjoy it This. I think it would be distracting if I don't agree with message. I probably won't mind as much if I agree with the message and the way it's addressed isn't too garish. |
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Post by ♛ The Manticore ☯ on Mar 29, 2011 17:36:21 GMT -5
It depends I guess. I don't mind hearing it. Sometimes I agree with the message and other times I don't. I do like some of the political songs that U2 has done. "Seconds", "Sunday bloody Sunday" are a few examples.
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Post by Misus+Beysus4EVA on Mar 30, 2011 6:10:42 GMT -5
"I don't understand how there can be regulated bigotry"
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), but do love a lot of socially conscious and politically charged songs.
