Question on This One's For The Girls

[JCMF3]

Why isn't this recurrent on this morning's update? I thought this week was the song's 51st week on the chart? And since the song is below #5, it should have gone recurrent, right?

I am basing the # of weeks on the chart based on this thread:

pulsemusic.proboards12.com/index.cgi?board=ac&action=display&thread=1101710938

[Hervard]

For some reason, sometimes it takes awhile for them to remove all recurrents.

[Mega248]

Yeah, this is week 51 for "This One's For The Girl's", which means Alicia Keys would have moved back up to #15 and not gone recurrent.

[Hervard]

Well, I think the 50/5 recurrent rule overrides the 20/15 rule. A similar thing happened late last year with "Here Without You" by 3 Doors Down. That song went recurrent, but then it was pulled back onto the chart by the removal of a song going recurrent via the 50/5 rule (I believe the song was "First Cut Is The Deepest"). So I have a feeling that they'll get rid of the Martina McBride song and bring back Alicia Keys.

[Jeffster]

what? They remove songs when they fall out of the top 5 now? :o

[Mega248]

Jeffster said:

what?  They remove songs when they fall out of the top 5 now?  :o

Yes, songs that are over 50 weeks old are removed once they fall below #5.

[Hervard]

They changed the rule from 50/10 after Uncle Kracker flat out refused to leave the Top Ten on the AC chart with his tired, overplayed remake of "Drift Away". I sure hope they don't move the bar up any higher, because the Top Five songs should be ranked as they actually are, regardless of how many weeks they've been on. Frankly, I think the Top Ten should be like that, but I guess I can see why they decided to tighten the rules a little.

[JCMF3]

Well, as of this morning they removed Martina McBride... but they didn't allow Alicia Keys to return! Ugh... well, hopefully R&R gets it right.

[Mega248]

JCMF3 said:

Well, as of this morning they removed Martina McBride... but they didn't allow Alicia Keys to return!  Ugh... well, hopefully R&R gets it right.

Technically, Alicia Keys shouldn't be allowed to return. One recurrent rule shouldn't prevail over the other. But at the same time, I wouldn't mind if she did return to the chart because the song may not have even peaked yet.

[JCMF3]

Brida said:

Technically, Alicia Keys shouldn't be allowed to return. One recurrent rule shouldn't prevail over the other. But at the same time, I wouldn't mind if she did return to the chart because the song may not have even peaked yet.

Actually, didn't this happen on the AC chart recently with Here Without You?

I'm almost positive it DID happen on the Hot AC chart though...

[Hervard]

Well, "Here Without You", which would have gone recurrent back in November under the 20/15 rule, was brought back when they realized they hadn't removed "First Cut Is The Deepest" (or whatever), which was dropped under the 50/5 rule.

[Mega248]

JCMF3 said:

Actually, didn't this happen on the AC chart recently with Here Without You?

It has happened a couple times before, but I don't think it's supposed to happen.

Even if they do bring Alicia back this week, it looks like she'd be gone next week anyway.

[Hervard]

Richard said:

It has happened a couple times before, but I don't think it's supposed to happen.

Even if they do bring Alicia back this week, it looks like she'd be gone next week anyway.

Whereas "Here Without You" was on for several more weeks. I think they use their own discretion in situations like this.

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ulij20  said:

I think they use their own discretion in situations like this.

"Discretion" is the bane of chart fans everywhere. I'm sure we would all love hard and fast rules instead.

[Hervard]

Yeah, but there are exceptions to every rule and situations like this are the exceptions.  Apparently, they felt that "Here Without You" still had some life left in it, whereas "If I Ain't Got You" was pretty much done anyway (it wasn't on the "AC chart sans recurrent rules" list the next week, so it was apparently below number fifteen.