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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jun 27, 2011 0:10:02 GMT -5
Not a very promising start, but it could improve.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jun 27, 2011 1:39:34 GMT -5
Why does this exist?
Seriously, I understand Active-leaning Alternative stations have to fill a market void, but it just looks insane that Alternative songs sit side by side on the chart with bullshit Active Rock songs like this. I understand very popular bands like Seether, Three Days Grace, Papa Roach, Korn, and Disturbed continue to chart, though with weaker material and careers that are long in the tooth, it's encouraging to see all their songs (with the inexplicable exception of "Burn") struggle to match previous career heights.
That said, surely we could arrange a trade of songs by lesser bands between the two charts to balance the content more appropriately.
We could easily lose "Riptide," "Sick," and "Lowlife," and pick up "Fallen," "The Last Time," and "Musical Chairs."
And I don't get why Nikki Sixx keeps charting on Alternative, so I'd like to get rid of "Lies of the Beautiful People" on principle alone, but I suppose to request a trade for "Wicked World" is a bit misguided in 2011. Perhaps "Digital (Did You Tell)" instead? I'd like to get that one on there.
But even after those housekeeping issues, there's no excuse why "You're Going Down," "Break," and "I Will Not Bow" are still among the 40 most played recurrent songs on the format. For perspective, with the recurrent rule lifted, "You're Going Down" would still place between "Will Do" and "Taken for a Fool," while those latter two would place between "Holdin on to Black Metal" and "Sick."
In short, f**k this song.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jun 27, 2011 8:45:25 GMT -5
^I agree with almost everything you said here. I think it'd be tough for alternative to altogether ditch Sick Puppies based on the fact that 1) They emerged as a primarily alternative artist, 2) "Riptide" sounds a lot more like the material off their previous album than say "You're Going Down", and 3) if alternative is to retain any of its '90s roots, surely Sick Puppies' Green Day and Silverchair influences provide elements to their sound that lean classic alternative rather than active rock. With all this said, I agree that I'm confused as to why Sick Puppies continues to perform as well as they do on alternative and why they have so much longevity on the chart.
I also think the principle of leaving Nikki Sixx alone is misguided. The lead singer writes most of the music and is at least as involved in the creative process. I also think the content they choose to address and the overall aesthetic of their project as well as the singer's very melodic and comparably youthful (relative to Vince Neil) voice make them an appropriate fit as an active rock band that can cross over to the Top 30 on the chart. To me, alternative should be a home for active rock with intelligent composition, lyrics, and production, and while Sixx: A.M. is not elite in this department like bands such as Deftones, System Of A Down, Fair To Midland, A7X, Alter Bridge etc. (I would argue for Sevendust at this level, but I might be a bit biased here), Sixx: A.M. are certainly in the next tier and certainly closer to the top level than they are to their pond scum peers such as Pop Evil, Adelitas Way, Hinder, Theory Of A Deadman, and the like.
Additionally, I just don't think the new All That Remains is all that good to be honest. I wish that they had been high profile enough for songs like "This Calling" and "Six" to have hit radio hard in their day because to me their writing has lost most of its consistency. "The Last Time" is mostly good, but that chorus just feels so disposable to me. Obviously that's a matter of personal taste, similar to your universal hatred of Sick Puppies.
Finally, I think the fact that alternative has yet to adopt Alter Bridge's "Ghost Of Days Gone By", which is sitting at #9 on active and been on the chart much longer than T.O.A.D. is certainly worth a mention. Granted, it's just going for adds on alternative now, but alternative needs to realize these guys aren't Creed anymore and treat them as an entirely new and elite rock band. Compositionally and vocally, this song is about as top notch as active rock has to offer, and I wonder if any anti-Creed bias has prevented you, Nick, from mentioning Alter Bridge as an active rock band that alternative should be paying more attention to. Alter Bridge is certainly more relevant of a band these days than 10 Years who alternative continues to give moderate support, seemingly to justify the one massive hit they gave them out of nowhere six years ago.
Anyway I agree with the overall principle and would just pick slightly different songs to embrace/dump. Volbeat and Fair To Midland make a lot of sense so I need no convincing there. And I would be totally happy with every other song you named disappearing from alternative. I'm sure the others who will argue with us are the reason why alternative continues to go to these bigger, blander bands.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jun 27, 2011 13:00:14 GMT -5
I'm not sure this song has earned a promising start.
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Post by mcbrearty on Jun 27, 2011 13:03:52 GMT -5
This made me laugh.
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Post by Devin on Jun 30, 2011 22:53:23 GMT -5
I know a lot of people comment that Theory of a Deadman, or at least their singles, are shit. But they do have at least one amazing track from each album. For me, they are:
"The Last Song" from Theory of a Deadman "Say Goodbye" from Gasoline "By the Way" from Scars & Souvenirs
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Post by pen on Jun 30, 2011 23:37:46 GMT -5
"Sacrifice".
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jul 1, 2011 4:06:59 GMT -5
I think "Santa Monica" is another very good song from them. I'm not optimistic that this album will have anything on the level of the good songs that have been mentioned.
'Scars & Souvenirs' was so overall appalling that it was enough for them to descend from decently good band to s**tty band in one record. And now "Lowlife" has them on my all-time s**t-list.
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jul 1, 2011 6:38:28 GMT -5
Based on the first two singles I've heard so far, this will be the only Theory Of A Deadman album I do not buy. Unless they are holding something really good back for later.
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Post by Devin on Jul 1, 2011 9:25:39 GMT -5
I'm buying the record nonetheless. I'm just hoping there'll be a gem as good as "By the Way" on it. If not, well then that'll be pretty sad. Oh Jamie, you said S&S was so shitty, I bought the standard album the week it came out, and I bought the Deluxe/Special Edition the week it came out.
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jul 1, 2011 12:06:47 GMT -5
I thought Scars and Souvenirs was decent. I might give this album a try.
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jul 1, 2011 16:44:06 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I liked "By The Way" too. But I did not like "So Happy". "Little Smirk" was maybe slightly funny but still not to my liking. And the other two rock singles I thought were worse. And I strongly disliked "Not Meant To Be" as well. "All Or Nothing" was probably the second best single from the record, and I'd say that even it was average at best. I remembered thinking one or two of the album tracks was slightly above average, but overall for an album, that's TERRIBLE. One good song and two or three average songs does not a good album make. Hence why I was not a fan, AT ALL.
"Lowlife" is worse.
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Post by lockebox on Jul 1, 2011 17:04:39 GMT -5
Agreed. "Lowlife" is the worst song they've ever made. I actually thought they were OK before "Scars & Souvenirs."
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jul 2, 2011 0:40:30 GMT -5
Seeded by a formula of Billboard chart peaks (Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks, Alternative, Adult Pop Songs, Canada). Based on the bashing of their most popular songs, I expect a low seed to win this.
Tournament 16
Round 1
1 Bad Girlfriend [Scars & Souvenirs] 16 Since You've Been Gone [Gasoline]
8 Make Up Your Mind [Theory Of A Deadman] 9 Little Smirk [Scars & Souvenirs]
4 Not Meant To Be [Scars & Souvenirs] 13 Santa Monica [Gasoline]
5 No Surprise [Gasoline] 12 Say Goodbye [Gasoline]
3 Hate My Life [Scars & Souvenirs] 14 Hello Lonely (Walk Away From This) [Gasoline]
6 Lowlife [The Truth Is...] 11 All Or Nothing [Scars & Souvenirs]
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us [Theory Of A Deadman] 10 By The Way [Scars & Souvenirs]
2 So Happy [Scars & Souvenirs] 15 Wait For Me [Scars & Souvenirs]
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jul 2, 2011 0:54:24 GMT -5
Round 1
1 Bad Girlfriend [Scars & Souvenirs] 16 Since You've Been Gone [Gasoline]
8 Make Up Your Mind [Theory Of A Deadman] 9 Little Smirk [Scars & Souvenirs]
4 Not Meant To Be [Scars & Souvenirs] 13 Santa Monica [Gasoline]
5 No Surprise [Gasoline] 12 Say Goodbye [Gasoline]
3 Hate My Life [Scars & Souvenirs] 14 Hello Lonely (Walk Away From This) [Gasoline]
6 Lowlife [The Truth Is...] 11 All Or Nothing [Scars & Souvenirs]
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us [Theory Of A Deadman] 10 By The Way [Scars & Souvenirs]
2 So Happy [Scars & Souvenirs] 15 Wait For Me [Scars & Souvenirs]
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Post by rockmaniac on Jul 2, 2011 8:43:23 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend [Scars & Souvenirs] 16 Since You've Been Gone [Gasoline]
8 Make Up Your Mind [Theory Of A Deadman] 9 Little Smirk [Scars & Souvenirs]
4 Not Meant To Be [Scars & Souvenirs] 13 Santa Monica [Gasoline]
5 No Surprise [Gasoline] 12 Say Goodbye [Gasoline]
3 Hate My Life [Scars & Souvenirs] 14 Hello Lonely (Walk Away From This) [Gasoline]
6 Lowlife [The Truth Is...] 11 All Or Nothing [Scars & Souvenirs]
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us [Theory Of A Deadman] 10 By The Way [Scars & Souvenirs]
2 So Happy [Scars & Souvenirs] 15 Wait For Me [Scars & Souvenirs]
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Post by Devin on Jul 2, 2011 9:28:20 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend [Scars & Souvenirs] 16 Since You've Been Gone [Gasoline]
8 Make Up Your Mind [Theory Of A Deadman] 9 Little Smirk [Scars & Souvenirs]
4 Not Meant To Be [Scars & Souvenirs] 13 Santa Monica [Gasoline]
5 No Surprise [Gasoline] 12 Say Goodbye [Gasoline]
3 Hate My Life [Scars & Souvenirs] 14 Hello Lonely (Walk Away From This) [Gasoline]
6 Lowlife [The Truth Is...] 11 All Or Nothing [Scars & Souvenirs]
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us [Theory Of A Deadman] 10 By The Way [Scars & Souvenirs] ^ Hardest bracket here.
2 So Happy [Scars & Souvenirs] 15 Wait For Me [Scars & Souvenirs]
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jul 2, 2011 10:51:11 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend [Scars & Souvenirs] 16 Since You've Been Gone [Gasoline]
8 Make Up Your Mind [Theory Of A Deadman] 9 Little Smirk [Scars & Souvenirs]
4 Not Meant To Be [Scars & Souvenirs] 13 Santa Monica [Gasoline]
5 No Surprise [Gasoline] 12 Say Goodbye [Gasoline]
3 Hate My Life [Scars & Souvenirs] 14 Hello Lonely (Walk Away From This) [Gasoline]
6 Lowlife [The Truth Is...] 11 All Or Nothing [Scars & Souvenirs]
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us [Theory Of A Deadman] 10 By The Way [Scars & Souvenirs]
2 So Happy [Scars & Souvenirs] 15 Wait For Me [Scars & Souvenirs]
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Post by lockebox on Jul 2, 2011 16:50:11 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend [Scars & Souvenirs] 16 Since You've Been Gone [Gasoline]
8 Make Up Your Mind [Theory Of A Deadman] 9 Little Smirk [Scars & Souvenirs]
4 Not Meant To Be [Scars & Souvenirs] 13 Santa Monica [Gasoline]
5 No Surprise [Gasoline] 12 Say Goodbye [Gasoline]
3 Hate My Life [Scars & Souvenirs] 14 Hello Lonely (Walk Away From This) [Gasoline]
6 Lowlife [The Truth Is...] 11 All Or Nothing [Scars & Souvenirs]
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us [Theory Of A Deadman] 10 By The Way [Scars & Souvenirs]
2 So Happy [Scars & Souvenirs] 15 Wait For Me [Scars & Souvenirs]
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jul 2, 2011 18:30:17 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend 4-2
8 Make Up Your Mind 5-1
4 Not Meant To Be 2-4
5 No Surprise 2-4
3 Hate My Life 3-3
11 All Or Nothing
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us 3-3
2 So Happy 5-1
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jul 4, 2011 22:44:42 GMT -5
Official video:
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jul 5, 2011 10:21:34 GMT -5
Tournament 16
Round 2
1 Bad Girlfriend 4-2 8 Make Up Your Mind 5-1
13 Santa Monica 4-2 12 Say Goodbye 4-2
3 Hate My Life 3-3 11 All Or Nothing 5-1
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us 3-3 2 So Happy 5-1
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Post by rockmaniac on Jul 5, 2011 12:51:45 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend 4-2 8 Make Up Your Mind 5-1
13 Santa Monica 4-2 12 Say Goodbye 4-2
3 Hate My Life 3-3 11 All Or Nothing 5-1
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us 3-3 2 So Happy 5-1
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Post by Devin on Jul 5, 2011 15:31:15 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend 4-2 8 Make Up Your Mind 5-1
13 Santa Monica 4-2 12 Say Goodbye 4-2
3 Hate My Life 3-3 11 All Or Nothing 5-1
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us 3-3 2 So Happy 5-1
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Post by lockebox on Jul 5, 2011 17:41:27 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend 4-2 8 Make Up Your Mind 5-1
13 Santa Monica 4-2 12 Say Goodbye 4-2
3 Hate My Life 3-3 11 All Or Nothing 5-1 (both poor)
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us 3-3 2 So Happy 5-1
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Post by crash46 on Jul 5, 2011 20:17:26 GMT -5
Why does this exist? [...] In short, f**k this song. Like, my man. Like. :)
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Post by jvandyck87 on Jul 5, 2011 20:25:57 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend 4-2 8 Make Up Your Mind 5-1
13 Santa Monica 4-2 12 Say Goodbye 4-2 Figures that the only two remaining songs I legitimately LIKE would be up against each other. >:(
3 Hate My Life 3-3 11 All Or Nothing 5-1
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us 3-3 2 So Happy 5-1
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Post by (Artie Ziff) on Jul 5, 2011 21:55:52 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend (3-2)
12 Say Goodbye (4-1)
11 All Or Nothing (4-1)
2 So Happy (2-3)
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Jul 5, 2011 21:57:30 GMT -5
1 Bad Girlfriend 4-2 8 Make Up Your Mind 5-1
13 Santa Monica 4-2 12 Say Goodbye 4-2
3 Hate My Life 3-3 (I think this is a funny song) 11 All Or Nothing 5-1
7 Nothing Could Come Between Us 3-3 2 So Happy 5-1
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jul 6, 2011 0:57:54 GMT -5
Why does this exist? [...] In short, f**k this song. Like, my man. Like. :) :)
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