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Post by Enigma. on Feb 25, 2012 13:37:12 GMT -5
He has four top ten hits under his own name, ties with Carrie Underwood, so nothing to be ashamed of there.
But I too wonder why he has such a following..
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 25, 2012 15:50:53 GMT -5
Anyone else just all-around shocked at the current top 10? I mean, looks at all the artists that are in there that three years ago, we would never thing EVER go top 10 on iTunes. fun., The Wanted, Adele, Gotye. Then you have artists who aren't exactly big sellers selling like hotcakes. Carrie & Kelly Then a chance for a two-hit-wonder to redeem himself. B.o.B The only artists who seem to be normal for the top 10 are Katy, Nicki, and Chris. b.o.b had NOY and Airplanes yes, but while magic wasnt huge, it was a hit Yes, and "Strange Clouds" also went top 10 on iTunes too, but let's face it, all of his singles that aren't "Nothin' on You" or "Airplanes" will be forgotten five years from now. For example, Vanessa Carlton is considered a one-hit-wonder despite having other small hits after "A Thousand Miles."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 15:56:05 GMT -5
Not sure the point of this discussion. A song can be a "hit" even if it charts at #100
Bigger hits chart higher
Who forgets what five years from now is subject to the person doing the forgetting.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 25, 2012 16:13:49 GMT -5
Not sure the point of this discussion. A song can be a "hit" even if it charts at #100 Bigger hits chart higher Who forgets what five years from now is subject to the person doing the forgetting. I'm not discrediting that fact that songs like "Magic" and "Ordinary Day" were hits. They were. But, unfortunately, if the general public forgets about them, then... well, the artist is branded as a one-hit-wonder. When you hear "one-hit-wonder," who comes to mind? Toni Basil, MC Hammer, Billy Ray Cyrus? Well, all three of those artists had other hits after "Mickey" (see: "Shoppin' from A to Z"), "U Can't Touch This" (see: "Have You Seen Her," "Pray," "Too Legit to Quit," "Addams Groove" which all peaked higher than UCTT), and "Achy Breaky Heart" (see: "Could've Been Me," "In the Heart of a Woman," "She's Not Cryin' Anymore," "Busy Man," "Ready, Set, Don't Go"). Most one-hit-wonders have more than one hit, but if only one hit is remembered by the collective more than the rest, than the artist is unfortunately branded with one-hit-wonder. But all of this totally eludes from the original point I was trying to make: the top 10 is really cool right now with a bunch of artist that otherwise wouldn't be smashing this hard
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 16:29:54 GMT -5
The "collective" you speak of is not anyone that posts here.
However, my point is that you seem to be guessing at what a person in that "collective" will and won't remember.
Regarding your examples. MC Hammer had several hits. Billy Ray may have had only one early pop hit but charted again later during the Hannah Montana run
Toni Basil had Mickey but depending on your definition and the chart you are using, that could be or it might not be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 17:19:59 GMT -5
Carrie and Kelly both achieve very respectable sales for their releases. Carrie has 9 Platinum singles thus far, and So Small is less than 20k from being her tenth. Jesus, Take the Wheel is ~100k from being 2x Platinum, Cowboy Casanova is around 1.8 million sold, and Before He Cheats is nearing 3.5 million sold (she sells a consistent 3k of BHC every week). Don't know too much about Kelly's sales, but I know that she has numerous Platinum and multi-platinum sellers. They're not huge sellers like Gaga, Katy Perry, Rihanna, etc., but they're pretty big sellers. Looks like WDKY will be one of Kelly's biggest, and as long as GG manages to stabilize, it could become one of Carrie's biggest, as well. Do so many new songs normally shoot up to the top like this? Not for Country artists. Carrie, along with Taylor back with Mine in 2010, are the only two Country artists that I can recall of doing something like this w/ no promo. Carrie had the Sony Country Radio Seminar, but that was a performance of ~200 on a boat in Nashville. Hardly any promotion there.
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Post by pnobelysk on Feb 25, 2012 17:33:10 GMT -5
Carrie and Kelly both achieve very respectable sales for their releases. Carrie has 9 Platinum singles thus far, and So Small is less than 20k from being her tenth. Jesus, Take the Wheel is ~100k from being 2x Platinum, Cowboy Casanova is around 1.8 million sold, and Before He Cheats is nearing 3.5 million sold (she sells a consistent 3k of BHC every week). Don't know too much about Kelly's sales, but I know that she has numerous Platinum and multi-platinum sellers. They're not huge sellers like Gaga, Katy Perry, Rihanna, etc., but they're pretty big sellers. Looks like WDKY will be one of Kelly's biggest, and as long as GG manages to stabilize, it could become one of Carrie's biggest, as well. Kelly has several platnium singles, off the top of my head: BTHE, Breakway, Already Gone, Because of You, and im pretty sure never again is too as well as 2 double platnium singles : SYBG & MLWSWY. both dont you wanna stay and stronger will be double platnium soon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 17:35:25 GMT -5
Kelly has several platnium singles, off the top of my head: BTHE, Breakway, Already Gone, Because of You, and im pretty sure never again is too as well as 2 double platnium singles : SYBG & MLWSWY. both dont you wanna stay and stronger will be double platnium soon. Thanks :) I knew she had million sellers, but I wasn't sure which ones had done so, and which ones hadn't. So yeah. Carrie and Kelly are big sellers. Not monster sellers like a lot of the Top 40 artists today, but they experience nice sales and certifications.
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Post by neverduplicated on Feb 25, 2012 18:03:31 GMT -5
Do so many new songs normally shoot up to the top like this? Not for Country artists. Carrie, along with Taylor back with Mine in 2010, are the only two Country artists that I can recall of doing something like this w/ no promo. Carrie had the Sony Country Radio Seminar, but that was a performance of ~200 on a boat in Nashville. Hardly any promotion there. If memory serves me correctly, Taylor flies to the top of the Itunes chart with pretty much every release of hers. Even the three Speak Now deluxe edition songs that were finally released to Itunes after being available on CD for over a year shot to the very top of the chart. That really shocked me, but it shows the high demand for new Taylor songs. Country songs in general do not create at much Itunes hysteria (compared with new pop and hip hop releases in particular), but that probably has more to do with who uses Itunes as opposed to the popularity of country music.
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Post by Sure Thing on Feb 25, 2012 18:12:23 GMT -5
Climax going in the wrong direction.. down to #41.
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Post by Push The Button on Feb 25, 2012 18:27:03 GMT -5
Looks like Usher couldn't get it up.
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Post by Sure Thing on Feb 25, 2012 18:30:43 GMT -5
Looks like Usher couldn't get it up. LOL. I don't think we've seen the last from the song. It's basically killing Urban radio now and doesn't impact Pop until March 6. We'll see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2012 18:36:33 GMT -5
Yeah the song isn't getting much pop airplay. It's exploding at Urban but Urban airplay doesn't sell downloads.
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Post by badrobot on Feb 26, 2012 1:08:03 GMT -5
Why are Adele's older singles gaining again?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 1:13:02 GMT -5
Why are Adele's older singles gaining again? It's Adele...we don't question it. And sad to see Climax not taking off...but I have hope that once pop get's on board it will be a hit(please).
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 26, 2012 11:01:21 GMT -5
Still perplexing how it seems that the pop format drives track sales so much more than urban. Top 40 probably has higher ratings, but, still, you'd think a big urban airplay hit (without much pop) would command top-level sales.
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Post by jebsib on Feb 26, 2012 13:37:26 GMT -5
Why do urban (i guess more specifically rhythmic) songs dominate the ringtones chart and not iTunes?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 13:41:49 GMT -5
Why do urban (i guess more specifically rhythmic) songs dominate the ringtones chart and not iTunes? I was going to try and answer this but it would sound really bad so I won't bother. Anyways, ya'll better keep it f*cking cute on the "Magic". It's a classic, his best single, and ya'll will deal!
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Post by Sure Thing on Feb 26, 2012 13:46:35 GMT -5
I have no idea. It's extremely perplexing, especially considering how popular Urban music is. However, Usher was never a huge digitial artist until "OMG" happened, so maybe we should limit our expectations. The optimist in me tells me it [Climax] might have to be a grower.
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Post by Sure Thing on Feb 26, 2012 13:47:59 GMT -5
Why do urban (i guess more specifically rhythmic) songs dominate the ringtones chart and not iTunes? I was going to try and answer this but it would sound really bad so I won't bother. Anyways, ya'll better keep it f*cking cute on the "Magic". It's a classic, his best single, and ya'll will deal! I seriously would like to hear why. Maybe the Urban base makes it easier to illegally download the song?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 26, 2012 13:49:08 GMT -5
^"Yeah!" did log a huge amount of time on Hot Digital Songs, though (long after the track was past its peak)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 14:01:08 GMT -5
Why do urban (i guess more specifically rhythmic) songs dominate the ringtones chart and not iTunes? I was going to try and answer this but it would sound really bad so I won't bother. Somehow I suspect your answer is very similar to the thought I had and then abandoned b/c I was sure I wouldn't be able to word it right. The truth can be rather tacky sometimes. Anyway, I am still convinced that if labels still made physical singles the urban genre would benefit the most from it. Regarding Climax, I agree with what's already been stated; there's next to no pop awareness for the song right now so I wouldn't expect it to be doing much on iTunes right now. I'm hopeful (though by no means certain) that CHR will take to the song as well as urban has. Downloads will progress from there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 14:06:34 GMT -5
Why do urban (i guess more specifically rhythmic) songs dominate the ringtones chart and not iTunes? I was going to try and answer this but it would sound really bad so I won't bother. Anyways, ya'll better keep it f*cking cute on the "Magic". It's a classic, his best single, and ya'll will deal! ww0ikr I will say what I heard. Don't shoot the messenger(I don't believe it)... I heard that the reason why urban only tracks don't sell well is because the urban listeners, are the folks that mostly illegally download their music....it's a very racist, stereotypical, judgemental thing to think.....
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 26, 2012 14:07:55 GMT -5
Climax just isn't that good. It's a very standard song. There's nothing special about it. It'll do well at Urban and rhythmic over the long haul but I wouldn't expect it to do anything on pop. I'm not even sure if I'd release it to pop.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Feb 26, 2012 14:08:03 GMT -5
Just to remind you, the urban genre had the strongest selling power when it came to physical singles in the '90s. I don't know why it's not as prominent now but the rappers (Kanye, Drake, Lil ' Wayne, Tyga, Soulja Boy) seem to sell digital singles with ease.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 14:11:00 GMT -5
Just to remind you, the urban genre had the strongest selling power when it came to physical singles in the '90s. I don't know why it's not as prominent now but the rappers (Kanye, Drake, Lil ' Wayne, Tyga, Soulja Boy) seem to sell digital singles with ease. But usually only after becoming big on Pop. Urban only singles don't usually sell huge. Take Beyonce "LOT", "Party"....Alicia's "Unthinkable"...Miguel "Sure thing".Usher's urban songs...ect There are exceptions but it's sad when the #1 song on Urban radio isn't even in the top 100...
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Post by Verisimilitude on Feb 26, 2012 14:19:34 GMT -5
But in the first week, they definitely do. Don't new Lil' Wayne songs usually soar to #1 on iTunes and sell massive quantities from the fanbase alone?
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Post by Sure Thing on Feb 26, 2012 14:19:41 GMT -5
I was going to try and answer this but it would sound really bad so I won't bother. Anyways, ya'll better keep it f*cking cute on the "Magic". It's a classic, his best single, and ya'll will deal! ww0ikr I will say what I heard. Don't shoot the messenger(I don't believe it)... I heard that the reason why urban only tracks don't sell well is because the urban listeners, are the folks that mostly illegally download their music....it's a very racist, stereotypical, judgemental thing to think..... It's not necessarily racist. And I can't disagree with that premise. What I will say is that more effort needs to be made to stop the downloading from happening. I was told that if you google a name and the song title along with one of the file sharing network, it can be as easy as that to download the illegal version.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 14:21:26 GMT -5
^"Yeah!" did log a huge amount of time on Hot Digital Songs, though (long after the track was past its peak) Yeah was the I Gotta Feeling/Party Rock Anthem of its year...it's just such a timeless party song. I figure this is the reason it's one of the relatively small group of pre-digital-era music to benefit from later sales by people wanting to fill their media players with some 'staple' songs.
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Post by badrobot on Feb 26, 2012 14:24:35 GMT -5
A lot of these comments about urban apply to country as well.
I think they are just audiences that are less driven to buy digital singles. It could be a lot of things:
-Content to listen to the radio instead of buying -Less likely to use iPods/iPhones/MP3 players -Less affluent (less money to buy songs) -Still prefer physical CDs
All of that is "could be" BTW -- I don't know exactly what the scenarios are but those would all contribute to the music being underrepresented at a digital sales level (and perhaps overrepresented at an airplay level).
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