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Post by slw84 on Sept 23, 2011 9:27:51 GMT -5
I hope she doesn't go with the dike look again this era. I'm not here for blond Mohawks from Rated R. Funny!!! I agree, her red hair was very flattering, now she's walking around looking like she's abandoned... go to a saloon and put some normal wig on... Yall are a mess...but very true. The homeless chic look has got to go...
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 23, 2011 10:03:02 GMT -5
She may beat Mary though,Mary's been on a slew of songs that underperformed. That could affect her sales, holiday or not. Rihanna should name the album Chameleon. Wavey, u best delete that post before any of the Kelly stan see it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2011 10:29:37 GMT -5
I'm sure her album will debut amazing WW but with this kind of song, I'm not sure about the US. Remember Rihanna has both pop and urban fans (at least here) and with "Loud" she was impacting both formats prior to the release.
And the US is where tends to hold her back so...
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Post by NeRD on Sept 23, 2011 11:10:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we'll be hearing the second single prior to the release. The formula they are using is almost identical to how they handled Loud. We Found Love was released almost a year to the day that they released Only Girl. WMN? was released mid-October and I imagine them doing the same for the second single during this era.
I think her WW sales with this record for the first week will be even more than Loud's. Just because of the momentum she has worldwide, and the fact that WFL will be massive.
I'm really excited to see how well this album does.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2011 11:28:41 GMT -5
I definitely expect an Urban single out in the next few weeks. "Man Down" went Top 10 over the summer, and she has yet to have a follow-up there.
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Post by HER MINAJesty on Sept 23, 2011 12:13:20 GMT -5
Snoop Dogg comes out of left field with his remix to Rihanna’s single “California King Bed.” The West Coast icon shows a softer side as he sings to his girl from across the country. A Kim Kardashian look-alike waits for him at her hotel while Rihanna’s video plays on the TV screens.
“California dreamin’, schemin’, you got me gleamin’/ I need you on my team ‘n you get my meanin’/ It sound crazy but it’s amazing/ Lay down with me so we can make some babies,” raps Tha Doggfather.
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Post by NeRD on Sept 23, 2011 12:17:22 GMT -5
I'm REALLY excited to see what she and The Runners came up with.
I LOVED CKB and Cheers so I'm sure I'll love the new material.
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Post by NeRD on Sept 23, 2011 12:22:39 GMT -5
1. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (MEXICO) 1. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (NORWAY) 3. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (US) 3. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (SWEDEN) 4. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (CANADA) 4. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (FRANCE) 7. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (NEWZELAND) 11. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (AUSTRALIA) 12. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (BELGIUM) 15. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (DENMARK) 15. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (SWITZERLAND) 16. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (ITALY) 18. We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna (AUSTRIA)
Its climbing everywhere sooo fast. :'(
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Post by Kurt on Sept 23, 2011 12:24:50 GMT -5
I really hope she can top the BB 200 this time. Are there any other big releases the week of Nov 21? Chances are you saw the thread in the Polling Booth, but yes--Nickelback and Daughtry both release on the 21st as well.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Sept 23, 2011 14:11:19 GMT -5
This is ludicrous. A new song is out from a new album & she's not even done w/this era. Smh.
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Post by themagic on Sept 23, 2011 14:26:49 GMT -5
Heard the new song on radio today. I was like, already? Wth!!!
As usual yet another song i don't like from her. Once she starts to sound good live i'll become a fan. She needs to take more vocal lessons or start taking some if she isn't already.
She's beautiful though, and i like that she releases new music around the end of her eras, i wish my fav artists would do that. That's all i like about her though.
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Post by Mack on Sept 23, 2011 14:45:58 GMT -5
It's gonna be difficult for her to get that number one album because Mary is supposed to be releasing the same time as her and Daughtry and i think one other big named artist. Taylor Swift's live album/DVD, Nickelback's new album, and apparently a GaGa re-release will be out on Nov. 21, too. Very competitive week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2011 18:07:10 GMT -5
Her 9th album will be her #1 album.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 23, 2011 18:15:22 GMT -5
Her 9th album will be her #1 album. Why her 9th? lol
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Post by NeRD on Sept 23, 2011 18:37:47 GMT -5
I just cant at her if she manages to get 23 Top 10s before the age of 24.
Thats assuming both Fly and We Found Love go Top 10 along with her 3rd single if they release it before February.
LEGEND. :'(
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Post by dbhmr on Sept 23, 2011 18:45:38 GMT -5
I wonder what the album will be like. Though WFL is actually starting to wane on me (I suspect I'll start to like it more again eventually), it really offers no sonic progression from Loud, and I was really hoping for some. I'd love her to return to the quality of Rated R, albeit a different (even more fun) sound. This is fun, but it would not be out of place at all on Loud.
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Post by ₫anny Jerz ♔ on Sept 24, 2011 2:20:09 GMT -5
I actually don't think "We Found Love" is all that much like anything on Loud. It's so house-inspired, it's a true dance song. The songs that were dance-y on Loud ("Only Girl," "Complicated") were very different types of dance; actually they were more watered down electro-pop/dance than anything. Sure they're all under the same umbrella but this new single is essentially her building off of the sound and direction of (some of) Loud.
Regardless, it is very smart of them to continue catering to a worldwide market with a single like this. Rihanna is one of the biggest pop stars in the world (only really comparable to Gaga). More than half of her overall success comes from outside the US.
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Post by nighttime on Sept 24, 2011 2:29:15 GMT -5
I don't think "We Found Love" would be completly out of place on Loud, but I agree, I don't think it's terrority Loud already covered. It IS a progression from the dance songs on that album, toward a more euro-influenced "true dance song" and further away from the americanized style that is starting to become a bit dated now. The lyrics and structure, while simple, also are more poignant than the majority of Loud or at least interpreted so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 12:04:13 GMT -5
The point though is that you could smack the song anywhere on Loud and no one would bat an eyelash. It's a progression, yes, but looking at the various stages of progression between her previous three efforts, it's understandably underwhelming.
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Post by Oprah on Sept 24, 2011 12:25:38 GMT -5
The point though is that you could smack the song anywhere on Loud and no one would bat an eyelash. It's a progression, yes, but looking at the various stages of progression between her previous three efforts, it's understandably underwhelming. Well, it's literally been less than two years since the first of these three efforts was produced, so it's not all that surprising. I've never been one to say x pop star needs to sit down but I'm really burning out on this chick. This is going to be the first era I'm not checking for her since her debut.
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Post by nighttime on Sept 24, 2011 12:45:39 GMT -5
You could say that with the majority of pop artists releases though. They generally stick to a formula that is successful for them and slightly build upon it.
Rihanna has played a noteable role in beginning and evolving the progressing dance trend through her career, and she should continue to make tracks that cement her figure in that sound - even if it's not exactly state of the art.
It might be less of a change than Umbrella to Russian Roulette or Russian Roulette to Only Girl, but I don't think she has to do a 180 with every release, particularly considering there's still a track from the last album in the top 10.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 12:59:49 GMT -5
You could say that with the majority of pop artists releases though. They generally stick to a formula that is successful for them and slightly build upon it. ..ok? Doesn't change the fact that people are still trying to justify the progression in a song that really isn't there at all. I don't entirely disagree with this, though. That said, Rihanna's made a name for herself as being ever-evolving in her craft. In that regard, 'We Found Love' seems a bit of a step back. I get she's still dealing with Loud (more or less), but if she wanted to stick with that sound, she should've kept with that record or, at the very least, done a re-release.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Sept 24, 2011 13:12:47 GMT -5
LOUD was recorded in 2010. This record was supposed to be a continuation of LOUD and it's only 2011.
Growth, progression, and all the like is fine, but I don't think she's trying to make an artistic statement or break ground right now. Don't over think. ;)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 13:27:22 GMT -5
So yeah...WFL looks like it's starting to decrease on iTunes now. Not saying that's a sign or anything but now more than ever I feel like rushing out a new album this year will be REALLY pointless. As much as I hate EP's, I think that would have been a safer thing to do.
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Post by nighttime on Sept 24, 2011 13:27:42 GMT -5
Why did you say it was a progression yourself a post above, and now it "isn't there at all"? There are differences between tracks like "Only Girl"/"S&M" and "We Found Love".
The argument is whether it's enough of a progression. What defines "enough of a progression" though? Is it relative to the difference between her own past singles? Her peers lead singles differences? Is time between releases relevant to this discussion?
And the stance on Rihanna re-releasing albums has apparently changed. The argument before was that it was cheap to do new music and make people pay "for things they already owned" or "a product they originally released under the belief that it was complete". If Rihanna feels Loud is a complete body of work, she should be forced to continue with that album unless she has material that's a big depature? idk.
Another dicussion that could be further explored, is everything that goes along with a new album, most notably image. Judging by the cover art and her recent stylistic changes, it is a contrast to the Loud era. Like most pop stars, one of the most notable differences between Rihanna albums is the image.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 13:48:28 GMT -5
Why did you say it was a progression yourself a post above, and now it "isn't there at all"? There are differences between tracks like "Only Girl"/"S&M" and "We Found Love". oh wow, ok. God forbid I make one dramatization. Yes, there's progression, albeit minor -- you can't ignore that -- but it's nothing substantial or really anything that sets it apart from the record that preceded it. Honestly, your average Loud owner will probably wonder which track this was on the album and why they don't remember it. there's not an argument here, it's people voicing an opinion. The justification behind this one is obvious though: it could find a place neatly on Loud and, as a result, clearly doesn't show much of any progression at all. Never called re-releases into question so I'm not even going to touch on that. As for why she should've stuck with Loud: A) it's my opinion B) Rihanna, being the artist her casual and hardcore fans alike made her out to be, is known for "reinventing herself" from record to record with each standing on it's own. This doesn't feel like that, so I simply called it into question. but she's not a visual artist -- she's a musical one. Visual arts as a representation of a record have long sense taken a back seat as far as the public is concerned (unless we're talking about underground sub-genre's like Witch House). You could argue Lady Gaga as an exception to this but we really haven't seen Rihanna go to such great lengths in appearance or concept artwork, so it wouldn't really serve a purpose.
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Post by nighttime on Sept 24, 2011 14:13:27 GMT -5
And it wouldn't be that hard to imagine any of her peers latest singles on their previous ones. The point I'm making is, why is Rihanna held to the standard of having to release something only if in no shape or form does it resemble something she released a album or year ago.
Touching on the visual artist... opinion - I think all 3 of Rihanna's lastest eras are visually identifiable from each other. Even Anna Wintour acknowledged it in a recent editor's column, citing Rihanna and Lady Gaga as the two leading ladies right now in reinventing their images and it having an effect on the fashion world. Rihanna is not a faceless recording voice on the radio, the image she presents recieves just as much attention as the music.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 15:36:46 GMT -5
Both of ya'll make a lot of sense and are 2 of the most intellectual posters on the board, don't waste energy on each other because neither of you will ever "lose" ...save it on the simpletons.
On one side We Found Love is like Complicated's slightly more fun step sister. The average person will most likely think this is still the same era, because it's coming right on the heels of "Cheers" and it's not that different sonically. Not saying she has to make a complete 180 because hardly any artist does that but the fact that there's no break in between eras is where the issue of similarity probably lies. With the last 2 eras it was easy to decipher them differently even with the close releases because they were totally different than each other. Maybe that is why some have a problem with WFL not being that progressive.
On the other side Rihanna is definitely a visual artist. Image is incredibly important for her, moreso than a lot of other singers, and is a huge factor in her success along with the music. She's one of the few that I find does go to great lengths in appearance and theme/concept and ties everything in altogether. Most of the coverage/hype she's gotten over the majority of her years has been about her hair and fashion, I'd even argue at times even more than her actual music. That has always been a big part of her selling point. I think people tend to undermine the effect the haircut had on her.
There's a gigantic difference between the Rated R and Loud eras, besides the music or success level. Stylistically, it's like two entirely different people and it goes so far as her personality in these eras. One year she's edgy, tomboyish and says she wants to be different and the next she's blatantly saying she's over all that and presents herself as a complete girly girl. Each era is very dependent on a particular image and she stays true to that with the videos/performances and all.
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Post by outrageous on Sept 24, 2011 16:42:10 GMT -5
Honestly, "We Found Love" is the material I expected to hear from "Loud" as soon as the album titled was announced. As much as I love "Loud", it did not really scream loud to me. I expected a true dance record, hard hitting and instead we got a mix of sounds that worked.
I cannot wait for whatever this new image she will present this time is. I loved the red hair & super fashion chiq style of Loud and I love the edgy, sexy style of Rated R, even the hair!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2011 17:28:59 GMT -5
And it wouldn't be that hard to imagine any of her peers latest singles on their previous ones. I disagree, and at any rate, her peers aren't held to the same standard. EDIT: most.Because that's how she's gone about establishing herself in her career. She can feel free to change things up and carry a sound over but I won't be told that staticity is taking a step forward. It should also be noted that, even though the official release was a year ago, the era itself has carried on up until this point. It's not like this isn't an incredibly abrupt transition. not to your average individual, I wouldn't say, but we've strayed off topic. Both of ya'll make a lot of sense and are 2 of the most intellectual posters on the board, don't waste energy on each other because neither of you will ever "lose" ...save it on the simpletons. it's not about winning or losing, at least from where I'm sitting. I'm simply defending my stance. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Point is, it's my opinion that 'We Found Love' isn't quite as progressive as Rihanna's other material and, as such, a disappointment for the reasons I've stated. But w/e nighttime, let's put all this behind us and be friends, k?
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