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Post by justlurkingaround on Apr 6, 2012 5:05:28 GMT -5
Wouldn't we know about it by now if there was going to be an iTunes countdown? Don't they announce that beforehand? I remember with PO, we found out a day or two in advance.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Apr 6, 2012 6:44:15 GMT -5
i agree. selling as many as PO did is hard nowadays. The last new albums to sold at least 2 million were Born This Way and 21 and we all know they're huge. I mean Carrie is huge too but those artists are the 'IT' musicians right now. She HAS TO crossover this time. She has to make hype around her album and her tour. People are being rude for calling her a has been. this time she has to prove them wrong. I think that this album should have no problem selling, and passing, what PO has sold. They just need to make sure that they are actually, uhm, smart with the single choices. GG is already performing out to be more than what I was expecting it to be -- promoted to Pop (on iTunes, at least), nearly cracking the Top 40 on AC/HAC, rocketing up the Country chart, going Gold after only a month and a half of release, never dropping out of the Top 30 on the iTunes all-genre chart since its release, the music video never dropping from the Top 15 on the iTunes all-genre since its release, etc. And, on top of all of that, Carrie will be going international (FINALLY) with this album (more than likely through a tour). Everything is just adding up picture-perfectly, and critics and media outlets are picking up on word of the album quickly with the hype of GG and Carrie's endless interviews. I'm pretty confident with the album sales TBH, but with these days' economics, i think it's hard to at least match PO's sales. :) GG is doing great (digitally and radio). But i expected it to sell more than this. Okay, maybe i compare it to much to Pop artists' singles. lol
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Post by jptexas on Apr 6, 2012 10:00:07 GMT -5
I think that this album should have no problem selling, and passing, what PO has sold. They just need to make sure that they are actually, uhm, smart with the single choices. GG is already performing out to be more than what I was expecting it to be -- promoted to Pop (on iTunes, at least), nearly cracking the Top 40 on AC/HAC, rocketing up the Country chart, going Gold after only a month and a half of release, never dropping out of the Top 30 on the iTunes all-genre chart since its release, the music video never dropping from the Top 15 on the iTunes all-genre since its release, etc. And, on top of all of that, Carrie will be going international (FINALLY) with this album (more than likely through a tour). Everything is just adding up picture-perfectly, and critics and media outlets are picking up on word of the album quickly with the hype of GG and Carrie's endless interviews. I'm pretty confident with the album sales TBH, but with these days' economics, i think it's hard to at least match PO's sales. :) GG is doing great (digitally and radio). But i expected it to sell more than this. Okay, maybe i compare it to much to Pop artists' singles. lolEspecially when those pop/country artists are being played on different genres all the time. Carrie does not change her music for crossover success. Hence, pop radio does not reciprocate. You can sell your soul for an extra 300k in sales or keep your integrity. She tends to want to keep her integrity. I have no problems with that. Others might want to strike everywhere and everyday while the iron is hot, that's ok too. But, seeing artists in magazines, in perfume ads, in teen mags, in rag mags, in comic books, in movies, in punk episodes, on regular tv, country tv, on pop tv, on MTV music video shows, etc. etc. etc. sometimes tends to make some artists seem desperate and overexposed. I think a good healthy balance of work and life is a good thing. jmo
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Post by CarrieUfan on Apr 6, 2012 10:02:08 GMT -5
^Maybe you do, bornfearless2000. Try to compare it to other country artists digital sales, like Miranda's lead single, and you'll see it's doing great and that it's staying steady. Carrie has been included on Entertainment Weekly's list of ''The 30 greatest artists right now''. The list: 1. Adele 2. Taylor Swift 3. Drake 4. Carrie Underwood 5. Katy Perry 6. Jack White 7. The Black Keys 8. Nicki Minaj 9. Mumford & Sons 10. Rihanna 11. Bruno Mars 12. Foo Fighters 13. Kanye West 14. Jay Z 15. The Civil Wars 16. A$ap Rocky 17. Fiona Apple 18. Kelly Clarkson 19. Jake Owen 20. Fun 21. Azealia Banks 22. Coldplay 23. Bruce Springsteen 24. Lady Gaga 25. Florenece + the Machine 26. Beyonce 27. Gotye 28. Calvin Harris 29. Kimbra 30. Beach House
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Post by carrieidol1 on Apr 6, 2012 10:55:51 GMT -5
I have a thought to share, I just want your thoughts as well.
We all know Carrie really isn't a fan of crossing over, unless it happens naturally. However, with a song like "Good Girl", I would almost expect their intention with the song would be for it to crossover. It has such a Pop/Rock sound, and would obviously do incredibly well if it were promoted at other formats. I'm just wondering, releasing such a Pop/Rock sounding song, I would assume they want it to crossover. Otherwise, why not release the typical Carrie up tempos that aren't so Bass-driven, and well, Pop/Rock.
Could they have something more up their sleeve with this? I just have to wonder. This song doesn't even need a remix to do well elsewhere. It's barely "Country" - it seems meant for Hot A/C more than Country radio.
Just wondering what you guys think...
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Post by Kurt on Apr 6, 2012 11:13:11 GMT -5
I think it's possible that they'd actually give it a push at HAC--it's #42 right now and will be top 40 in a week or two, I believe.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Apr 6, 2012 11:26:14 GMT -5
Undo It didn't need a remix either, but they showed no signs of wanting to push it to pop. I won't hold my breath for a pop push for GG.
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Post by layne on Apr 6, 2012 11:52:34 GMT -5
Does Sony Nashville have anyone under their umbrella of labels that they actively promote to crossover? I honestly can't think of anyone. I know that Capitol Nashville does promote Lady A to crossover markets which I think is the main reason they were able to haul in all those Grammy's in 2011. They had a great song in NYN but had it not been promoted, I don't think it would have won The Grammy for Overall Song of the Year. I think it would have just won The Country only awards.
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Post by Typo on Apr 6, 2012 14:15:15 GMT -5
RollingStone: Spring Music Preview 2012Carrie Underwood Blown Away
Since winning American Idol in 2005, Underwood has been a country diva with a huge voice, a megawatt smile and a heart of gold. But for her fourth album β kicked off by the rocked-up hit single "Good Girl" β Underwood took a left turn. "We went in a different direction β it's darker," she says. "I told my producer, 'You guys need to watch a Mexican soap opera before you come in to start doing this. It just needs to have drama.' "
LOL, "watch a Mexican soap opera." So ready for this album!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 15:16:19 GMT -5
Anybody else not really digging the new look of CFans?
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Post by countryfan1985 on Apr 6, 2012 16:02:03 GMT -5
^I'm not really digging the new look on Cfans but, they could still be working on it..
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 6, 2012 21:33:43 GMT -5
Does Sony Nashville have anyone under their umbrella of labels that they actively promote to crossover? I honestly can't think of anyone. I know that Capitol Nashville does promote Lady A to crossover markets which I think is the main reason they were able to haul in all those Grammy's in 2011. They had a great song in NYN but had it not been promoted, I don't think it would have won The Grammy for Overall Song of the Year. I think it would have just won The Country only awards. Lady Antebellum's crossover success with "Need You Now" and "Just a Kiss" was facilitated by Capitol Records, not Capitol Nashville. The band cut an extra deal with Capitol Records in New York, which handles remixing and promotion to the pop formats and gets a cut of the profits for the album as well. Active radio promotion to the pop formats would require Carrie to cut a similar deal with RCA New York or an independent promoter.
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Post by neally on Apr 6, 2012 22:30:42 GMT -5
Does Sony Nashville have anyone under their umbrella of labels that they actively promote to crossover? I honestly can't think of anyone. I know that Capitol Nashville does promote Lady A to crossover markets which I think is the main reason they were able to haul in all those Grammy's in 2011. They had a great song in NYN but had it not been promoted, I don't think it would have won The Grammy for Overall Song of the Year. I think it would have just won The Country only awards. Lady Antebellum's crossover success with "Need You Now" and "Just a Kiss" was facilitated by Capitol Records, not Capitol Nashville. The band cut an extra deal with Capitol Records in New York, which handles remixing and promotion to the pop formats and gets a cut of the profits for the album as well. Active radio promotion to the pop formats would require Carrie to cut a similar deal with RCA New York or an independent promoter. That makes the Hot AC/Pop success of 'Cheats' even all the more impressive then because at the time, Carrie did not have such a deal with Arista, but only with Arista Nashville, no ?
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 6, 2012 22:56:38 GMT -5
Lady Antebellum's crossover success with "Need You Now" and "Just a Kiss" was facilitated by Capitol Records, not Capitol Nashville. The band cut an extra deal with Capitol Records in New York, which handles remixing and promotion to the pop formats and gets a cut of the profits for the album as well. Active radio promotion to the pop formats would require Carrie to cut a similar deal with RCA New York or an independent promoter. That makes the Hot AC/Pop success of 'Cheats' even all the more impressive then because at the time, Carrie did not have such a deal with Arista, but only with Arista Nashville, no ? No, Carrie came off Idol with a deal with both Arista New York and Arista Nashville. RCA's New York labels had first right of refusal based on the Idol contract and weren't about to not sign the Idol winner, but Carrie insisted on doing country music. Carrie was assigned to Arista New York immediately after her Idol season ended. After a bunch of legal haggling and a test run at CMA Fest, Carrie was also signed to Arista Nashville. According to a Billboard article that came out when Some Hearts was released (I would link to it, but I can't find a working online link), Arista New York would handle retail and pop radio promotion (including the false start with "Some Hearts" at the pop formats) while Arista Nashville would handle the country side. Carrie wound up having very little to do with Arista New York, however, except for her now well-known fight against Arista New York not to remix "Before He Cheats." Even during "Before He Cheats"' run on the pop formats, Carrie didn't make the rounds on pop radio and the usual contest incentives that labels grant stations to encourage them to play certain songs didn't materialize. Although Carnival Ride was also released via 19/Arista Nashville/Arista New York, a contract renegotiation dropped Arista New York from her deal. Carrie has been signed to 19/Arista Nashville only since the beginning of 2009.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Apr 6, 2012 22:57:32 GMT -5
I believe Carrie had ties with Arista New York during the Some Hearts era, but severed them either during or after Carnival Ride. I don't think it was ever explained why, but I have a feeling they were pressuring her to do remixes, which she didn't want to do. That could be way off base, though.
Edit: Or, what Dudley said. Much more eloquently. ;)
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Post by neally on Apr 6, 2012 23:09:45 GMT -5
That makes the Hot AC/Pop success of 'Cheats' even all the more impressive then because at the time, Carrie did not have such a deal with Arista, but only with Arista Nashville, no ? No, Carrie came off Idol with a deal with both Arista New York and Arista Nashville. RCA's New York labels had first right of refusal based on the Idol contract and weren't about to not sign the Idol winner, but Carrie insisted on doing country music. Carrie was assigned to Arista New York immediately after her Idol season ended. After a bunch of legal haggling and a test run at CMA Fest, Carrie was also signed to Arista Nashville. According to a Billboard article that came out when Some Hearts was released (I would link to it, but I can't find a working online link), Arista New York would handle retail and pop radio promotion (including the false start with "Some Hearts" at the pop formats) while Arista Nashville would handle the country side. Carrie wound up having very little to do with Arista New York, however, except for her now well-known fight against Arista New York not to remix "Before He Cheats." Even during "Before He Cheats"' run on the pop formats, Carrie didn't make the rounds on pop radio and the usual contest incentives that labels grant stations to encourage them to play certain songs didn't materialize. Although Carnival Ride was also released via 19/Arista Nashville/Arista New York, a contract renegotiation dropped Arista New York from her deal. Carrie has been signed to 19/Arista Nashville only since the beginning of 2009. Thanks for the informative explanation as I have very little knowledge of the working of these labels, artists' contracts, and their impact to radio airplay. One more question if you don't mind: in your opinion because Carrie's contract is with Arista Nashville, do feel that Carrie's singles have little chance of being pushed and added to Hot AC/Pop radio formats ?
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Post by carrieidol1 on Apr 6, 2012 23:25:06 GMT -5
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I'm not dudley, but I'd answer 'yes' to your question. Most simply because a Country label (Arista Nashville) probably has minimal pull at other formats such as Hot AC/Pop and others. The music industry seems to be driven by connections; "who knows who". There probably aren't too many connections between a Country label and Pop label. Therefore, a Country label would not be as efficient in comparison to a Pop label when it comes to pushing songs toward a Pop oriented format. So this probably diminishes Carrie's chances of ever crossing over again because she doesn't have the adequate connections through labels and radio stations to do so. When she was linked to Arista New York, an adds date was eventually implemented for BHC, giving it an extra push. Granted, BHC charted most of its run on its own, but the Pop connection Carrie had probably didn't hurt. Now, without that connection, it seems any single Carrie releases would have to do all of the work on its own. Then, and only then would her label try to push the song a little more.
As much as I'd love for the label to push Carrie at other formats, I don't think they would unless the song truly proves its worthiness of doing so, much like BHC back in 2006/2007. If GG managed to break into the top 20, even 30 on Hot AC, I think further promotion would be something to consider on the label's part, but I don't see them doing anything unless this happens.
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Post by I Wish on Apr 7, 2012 2:27:31 GMT -5
Just thought I'd post the actuals for Carrie's albums this week, since they leaked:
Top Catalog Albums - 4/14/12 chart
46 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE SOME HEARTS 2,833 73 1,641 7,183,206 48 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 2,822 139 1,181 2,092,339 135 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE CARNIVAL RIDE 1,710 42 1,207 3,251,514
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Post by jessluvsnick on Apr 7, 2012 12:26:34 GMT -5
There's no reason GG cannot be played on pop radio. It would fit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 15:25:28 GMT -5
Does anyone know what photoshoot this picture is from? I've never seen it before, but I love it.
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Post by cufan7 on Apr 7, 2012 22:22:20 GMT -5
Does anyone know what photoshoot this picture is from? I've never seen it before, but I love it. I'm pretty sure that is from a Vitamin Water photoshoot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 1:52:14 GMT -5
Happy Easter, everybody!I'm pretty sure this was a Halloween picture of Carrie rather than Easter, but I really don't care because it's precious as fuck.
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Post by Cripple Bitch on Apr 9, 2012 11:05:28 GMT -5
New blog. Carrie said that there's some special stuff just for FC members that's coming right around the release of "Blown Away."
I think it has something to do with that poll. iTunes countdown, FC style.
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Post by zaclord π on Apr 9, 2012 12:34:11 GMT -5
Interesting blog. I wonder what she has planned for us. I kind of hope the poll doesn't have anything to do with the surprise. I would really like to wait and hear the album all at once, not random pieces at various times (like an iTunes countdown, or if she is going to release a song that the fans are most interested in hearing before the album release). Just my opinion though. Whatever it is, I hope its good!
And I really hope the date for the FC party will be announced soon. I'd really like to go this year, but I need to make plans around this date!
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Post by dbhmr on Apr 9, 2012 12:39:39 GMT -5
There's no reason GG cannot be played on pop radio. It would fit. This is interesting, because there's a lot of speculation/discussion regarding future Kelly Clarkson singles, and for some, many are wary of releasing pop/rock-sounding tracks because they have a dated sound that Pop radio isn't as high on anymore. The big pop/rock females of Pop radio--Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, and even Avril Lavigne--have all found more success in recent years with their more rhythmic-leaning pop/rock singles than straight, 2005-esque ones. When Before He Cheats was released, that sound was a lot more popular; anytime Carrie releases a single in that vein, it's pronounced "destined" for success on Pop, but hasn't happened since "Cheats." While part of that could be do the song itself, the lack of promotion/effort to push it to pop radio, I wonder if it also has to do with the fact that the sound just isn't as "in" anymore, so it doesn't get the same notice from Pop radio DJs. Because you can't go into a Pop forum for a pop/rock single without seeing the word "dated," but now that Carrie has released a very pop/rockish country single, many are proclaiming it's perfect for Pop radio, when I'm not sure it even is anymore.
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Post by TFMachado on Apr 9, 2012 13:30:48 GMT -5
Before He Cheats revisited... Rap style...
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Apr 9, 2012 20:35:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the informative explanation as I have very little knowledge of the working of these labels, artists' contracts, and their impact to radio airplay. One more question if you don't mind: in your opinion because Carrie's contract is with Arista Nashville, do feel that Carrie's singles have little chance of being pushed and added to Hot AC/Pop radio formats ? I think carrieidol1 covered it. I don't see an active push coming into consideration unless there is some reason to think that "Good Girl" would make top-10 Hot AC, though I guess stranger things have happened. The current Hot AC play "Good Girl" is getting is likely the by-product of Hot AC stations fighting back against country stations in the same market that have moved in on their territory. Incidentally, a resourceful friend PM-d me the link to that 2005 Billboard article I had mentioned that discussed Carrie's two-label (or three-label, counting 19 Recordings) situation at the time. Speaking of revisiting history, this FMQB article from March 2007, this Chris Willman/Shirley Halperin Entertainment Weekly article from July 2007, and this Leah Greenblatt Entertainment Weekly article from June 2007 provide a lot of insight from radio about "Before He Cheats" crossing over. They all make clear that BHC was not considered a song that fit CHR/Pop playlists at the time (hence Tom Poleman's hesitation to add it to New York City's Z100), but was a song whose message, lyrics and hook cut through despite being undeniably country:I think it was a song that combined with a moment -- Some Hearts was already a huge-selling album before the BHC crossover, and BHC was the song that forced the pop formats to get on the bandwagon. That kind of moment, when a song that doesn't fit a format cuts through and takes on that air of undeniability, is rare. We have seen it happen with Adele over multiple 21 singles, but it is difficult to spur that bandwagon effect multiple times in one's career. I happen to think "Good Girl" is the kind of song that could spur attention just because it is structurally interesting, is not a straightforward fit for any radio format, piles hook upon hook, and features a pretty killer vocal from Carrie. What holds it back from feeling like a revelation is that the lyrics, while smartly written, cover similar ground to several of her other singles. So if I had to guess, it isn't the kind of song that will get a new bandwagon rolling. Crossing over will thus likely require active promotion, active promotion would require involving a third party promoter and involving a third party promoter would depend on 19/Arista Nashville thinking that there would be a high enough return on investment. History tells us that Arista Nashville and Carrie will be content to rely on her TV performances to reach fans outside of country. Since I've never been one frothing at the mouth for another crossover hit, I don't see a problem with that.
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Post by imafan on Apr 10, 2012 13:40:43 GMT -5
www.1067litefm.com/iplaylist/artist/703310/#ixzz1ref4EfxnCarrie Underwood will be performing a special intimate show at our iHeartRadio Theater presented by P.C. Richard & Son on Tuesday, May 1 at 7pm - and the only way in is to win tickets! Keep listening for your chance to win tickets, and enter to win a bonus pair right here! Must be why Carrie and her band has been rehearsing the new material from "Blown Away". Hope we get some videos
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Post by misterscribbs on Apr 10, 2012 14:26:10 GMT -5
Wow. I'm kind of surprised she's doing a private show on the albums release date.
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Post by metsfan on Apr 10, 2012 14:45:52 GMT -5
She may be doing some promo earlier that day. It looks like she'll be doing NY promo that week.
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