Kishi KCM
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jan 1, 2013 12:03:53 GMT -5
I saw nothing wrong with what she said. Everybody else seems to have no problem speaking their truth directly from their a-hole so let her speak hers. Apparently celebrities are not allowed to speak their minds, because the general public are so morally correct and self-righteous.
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Dammn Baby
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Post by Dammn Baby on Jan 1, 2013 12:20:22 GMT -5
She clearly was not downing gay marriage. She merely pointed out that there are other things widely acceptable that the bible says is a sin, but she is constantly barraged about her relationship with Antwan. No sin is greater than the next. It's funny how y'all get offended when anyone mentions gays and want to shove its acceptance down everyone's throats, and want to hang anyone if their views don't align with theirs. Nowhere did that girl denounce being gay or being against anyone that's gay. Folk like to make fun of her writing ability, and just took what she said what they want it to say. #chilebye Gurl, you know how turned on I get when you start talkin' about shovin' acceptance down somebody's throat. Have you been watching Bel Ami again? Whatever point H.A.M.tasia was attempting to make gets lost in her inchoate ramblings, and whether or not it was prejudiced is debatable. But it certainly was ignorant, and we should expect no less from her.
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Post by Pink Pvssy on Jan 1, 2013 12:48:12 GMT -5
Just give her an awesome song, not this shitty single, and the gays will love her again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 18:50:49 GMT -5
She clearly was not downing gay marriage. She merely pointed out that there are other things widely acceptable that the bible says is a sin, but she is constantly barraged about her relationship with Antwan. No sin is greater than the next. It's funny how y'all get offended when anyone mentions gays and want to shove its acceptance down everyone's throats, and want to hang anyone if their views don't align with theirs. Nowhere did that girl denounce being gay or being against anyone that's gay. Folk like to make fun of her writing ability, and just took what she said what they want it to say. #chilebye Girl please even if weed and gay marriage is a "sin", f**king another woman's man is far worse because that affects someone else and a family, someone smoking weed or being gay does not affect other people , she needs to stop being belligerent and just move on and deal with her own issues, the rest of us have moved on but its her guilt that keeps rearing its ugly head.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 18:52:52 GMT -5
Regardless of what her beliefs or intentions are, it's dumb as fuck for any female singer to say something like that about gays. She can kiss some of her fans goodbye.
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Post by Rican@ on Jan 1, 2013 19:26:33 GMT -5
I don't think she was trying to say anything about gays.
This is my issue with supporting anything in today's society because everything is a sensitive topic yet people are quick to throw stones or belittle another. I don't like that if you don't support then you're ignorant attitude. Like WTF? One person's opinion should be accepted just as gay rights or any major issue. People's response in this thread is exactly what her post intended to be, why judge when it doesn't affect you?
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Post by Honeymoon on Jan 1, 2013 20:05:59 GMT -5
I don't think she was trying to say anything about gays. This is my issue with supporting anything in today's society because everything is a sensitive topic yet people are quick to throw stones or belittle another. I don't like that if you don't support then you're ignorance attitude. Like WTF? One person's opinion should be accepted just as gay rights or any major issue. People's response in this thread is exactly what her post intended to be, why judge when it doesn't affect you? This is clearly a much larger discussion than just Fantasia's post but I just can't really comprehend this argument. A lot of people say that they're "neutral" or "don't support" gay rights but still don't consider themselves as anti-gay. How can one reconcile being OK with other people's inequality when they don't classify themselves as being homophobic themselves? They're just as bad as someone in the 1950s being pro-segregation of whites and blacks. Insinuating that gay marriage is morally wrong because of the bible (which is what Fantasia is doing) and then asking others not to judge her is massively hypocritical and just as bad as explicitly being anti-gay.
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Post by Honeymoon on Jan 1, 2013 20:10:41 GMT -5
But I'm really just distracting from the point myself. She is a female artist who has alienated the gays by singling them out as immoral. Not only is she ignorant and homophobic but she's an idiot too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 20:10:44 GMT -5
Yes. I really don't care what her view on gay marriage is. She can have her beliefs. But it was stupid for her to state them publicly and completely ignorant to tell people not to pass judgment and then pass judgment herself in the same comment.
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Post by Rican@ on Jan 1, 2013 20:34:23 GMT -5
I don't think she was trying to say anything about gays. This is my issue with supporting anything in today's society because everything is a sensitive topic yet people are quick to throw stones or belittle another. I don't like that if you don't support then you're ignorance attitude. Like WTF? One person's opinion should be accepted just as gay rights or any major issue. People's response in this thread is exactly what her post intended to be, why judge when it doesn't affect you? This is clearly a much larger discussion than just Fantasia's post but I just can't really comprehend this argument. A lot of people say that they're "neutral" or "don't support" gay rights but still don't consider themselves as anti-gay. How can one reconcile being OK with other people's inequality when they don't classify themselves as being homophobic themselves? They're just as bad as someone in the 1950s being pro-segregation of whites and blacks. Insinuating that gay marriage is morally wrong because of the bible (which is what Fantasia is doing) and then asking others not to judge her is massively hypocritical and just as bad as explicitly being anti-gay. But still that's the choice of that person. Just because you or I support a certain cause doesn't mean the next person has to follow suit. It is why we're individual. Just as stated before, her intentions didn't come across well but it is clear she meant why judgement is uphold toward her when there are other sins that are broken, from a Bible standpoint. If people will learn to think rationally not emotionally then you will understand her point. She never stated anything is bad.
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Post by Jay D83 on Jan 1, 2013 20:36:35 GMT -5
Regardless of what her beliefs or intentions are, it's dumb as f**k for any female singer to say something like that about gays. She can kiss some of her fans goodbye. Yep. I have her first 3 albums, but seriously doubt if I'll buy the 4th. Dumb Tasia. Real dumb Tasia.
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Post by Rican@ on Jan 1, 2013 20:39:05 GMT -5
But I'm really just distracting from the point myself. She is a female artist who has alienated the gays by singling them out as immoral. Not only is she ignorant and homophobic but she's an idiot too. An idiot isn't someone who doesn't support a cause. By your logic, I find anyone who voted the second Bush in office an idiot. So.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 20:47:59 GMT -5
But I'm really just distracting from the point myself. She is a female artist who has alienated the gays by singling them out as immoral. Not only is she ignorant and homophobic but she's an idiot too. An idiot isn't someone who doesn't support a cause. By your logic, I find anyone who voted the second Bush in office an idiot. So. That is sound logic
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 20:49:03 GMT -5
I never knew there were rules about who can be called an idiot and for what.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 20:55:27 GMT -5
I never knew there were rules about who can be killed an idiot and for what. I wouldn't go as far as kill someone for being a idiot even though it is tempting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 20:59:58 GMT -5
Lol. Oops!
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Post by Pink Pvssy on Jan 1, 2013 21:06:41 GMT -5
If she has brains, she'd be deadly!
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Post by Honeymoon on Jan 1, 2013 21:18:45 GMT -5
This is clearly a much larger discussion than just Fantasia's post but I just can't really comprehend this argument. A lot of people say that they're "neutral" or "don't support" gay rights but still don't consider themselves as anti-gay. How can one reconcile being OK with other people's inequality when they don't classify themselves as being homophobic themselves? They're just as bad as someone in the 1950s being pro-segregation of whites and blacks. Insinuating that gay marriage is morally wrong because of the bible (which is what Fantasia is doing) and then asking others not to judge her is massively hypocritical and just as bad as explicitly being anti-gay. But still that's the choice of that person. Just because you or I support a certain cause doesn't mean the next person has to follow suit. It is why we're individual. Just as stated before, her intentions didn't come across well but it is clear she meant why judgement is uphold toward her when there are other sins that are broken, from a Bible standpoint. If people will learn to think rationally not emotionally then you will understand her point. She never stated anything is bad. I am thinking quite rationally even though I disagree with her (clearly). She cites a few personal views (based on the bible, which is her prerogative) and then tacitly alienates a group of people that differ from her own morals. Even if you take the gay or marijuana issues out of consideration, it's still inconsistent with her own grief of being judged by others hence the hypocrisy. Anyway, judging by her own comments, she's the one that appears to not be thinking rationally and venting some things that are terribly phrased (assuming you guys are right in that she didn't mean what it sounds like she's saying about gays). And by the way - just because I'm emotionally invested in the issue doesn't mean I'm thinking irrationally. No one has challenged the core of my argument (which is similar to jazzy's, reading back) so I don't think I've been proved wrong either. Obviously a lot of it is perception too, so I'd appreciate it if you'd stop patronizing my perspective by saying I'm thinking irrationally.
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Post by Honeymoon on Jan 1, 2013 21:20:09 GMT -5
But I'm really just distracting from the point myself. She is a female artist who has alienated the gays by singling them out as immoral. Not only is she ignorant and homophobic but she's an idiot too. An idiot isn't someone who doesn't support a cause. By your logic, I find anyone who voted the second Bush in office an idiot. So. I think it's pretty well implied in my post that I meant, career wise, she's not very savvy. Of course I fundamentally disagree with her but that's something else entirely.
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Post by Rican@ on Jan 1, 2013 21:28:20 GMT -5
If you take out the gay marriage or legalize weed portion, all you have from her is dont judge me because there are more issues going on in our society than what she chooses to do with her life. Its clear most posters are driven by their panties with the gay word. People wouldn't care two pennies what she said if she didn't say that, seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 21:58:09 GMT -5
If you take out the gay marriage or legalize weed portion, all you have from her is dont judge me because there are more issues going on in our society than what she chooses to do with her life. Its clear most posters are driven by their panties with the gay word. People wouldn't care two pennies what she said if she didn't say that, seriously. Obviously. If you take out her examples, there'd be nothing wrong with what she said. We wouldn't even be having this conversation. But she said it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 22:21:12 GMT -5
Let's see... She downed a bottle of pain killers a week or two before launching her last era, and now she's gone out to slander gay marriage and legalized weed before launching this one.
Can hardly wait for album #5...
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Post by Rican@ on Jan 1, 2013 22:25:44 GMT -5
If you take out the gay marriage or legalize weed portion, all you have from her is dont judge me because there are more issues going on in our society than what she chooses to do with her life. Its clear most posters are driven by their panties with the gay word. People wouldn't care two pennies what she said if she didn't say that, seriously. Obviously. If you take out her examples, there'd be nothing wrong with what she said. We wouldn't even be having this conversation. But she said it. Which why I said it wasn't executed properly. She tries to use them as an example but fail to do so. I don't believe she was trying to slam anything but want everyone to mind his own while she lives hers. This could have been said by a gay person with the examples of adultery and legalize weed, will your perspective be the same?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 22:29:01 GMT -5
When you equate a human right issue as being gay or gay marriage with other sins that's the problem, to each their own however don't be surprised when people come for you (Fantasia)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 22:46:02 GMT -5
Obviously. If you take out her examples, there'd be nothing wrong with what she said. We wouldn't even be having this conversation. But she said it. Which why I said it wasn't executed properly. She tries to use them as an example but fail to do so. I don't believe she was trying to slam anything but want everyone to mind his own while she lives hers. This could have been said by a gay person with the examples of adultery and legalize weed, will your perspective be the same? If a gay person referred to gay marriage as an example of a sin in order to make a point, I'd be a little confused.
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Post by Rican@ on Jan 1, 2013 22:58:23 GMT -5
Which why I said it wasn't executed properly. She tries to use them as an example but fail to do so. I don't believe she was trying to slam anything but want everyone to mind his own while she lives hers. This could have been said by a gay person with the examples of adultery and legalize weed, will your perspective be the same? If a gay person referred to gay marriage as an example of a sin in order to make a point, I'd be a little confused. No. You miss my point, I'm saying what if a gay person used adultery and weed as examples from a biblical standpoint. So basically, a wrong is a wrong from that standpoint. You see how misconstrued she tried to address her point and her intentions were a sin is a sin. The examples are interchangeable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 23:03:33 GMT -5
They're not interchangeable though. She wouldn't have been offending people and many of her fans if she had just said "in a world with rampant adultery...". That's why her comment was so stupid.
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Post by Rican@ on Jan 1, 2013 23:07:26 GMT -5
Her way of thinking is southern old school with the referring to the Bible so that's why I said its interchangeable
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 23:11:29 GMT -5
Her way of thinking is southern old school with the referring to the Bible so that's why I said its interchangeable That doesn't excuse what she said though or the fact that a lot of people found it offensive.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jan 1, 2013 23:26:45 GMT -5
I saw nothing wrong with what she said. Everybody else seems to have no problem speaking their truth directly from their a-hole so let her speak hers. Apparently celebrities are not allowed to speak their minds, because the general public are so morally correct and self-righteous. I honestly feel like offense would've been taken no matter what examples she used because so many people I know said she was throwing others under the bus to to detract from her own transgressions. But since she the audacity to use the gays as an example, all hell broke loose. Personally, I feel that weak lead single will cause more damage to this album era than an IG post but I'm in the minority.
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