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Post by Rican@ on Jan 1, 2013 23:36:53 GMT -5
Her way of thinking is southern old school with the referring to the Bible so that's why I said its interchangeable That doesn't excuse what she said though or the fact that a lot of people found it offensive. But what's offensive? She used the word but nothing such as not support or dislike follow afterward. If that's the case, my fellow potheads need to be at Fanny’s waistline too.
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Post by Honeymoon on Jan 2, 2013 0:26:27 GMT -5
That doesn't excuse what she said though or the fact that a lot of people found it offensive. But what's offensive? She used the word but nothing such as not support or dislike follow afterward. If that's the case, my fellow potheads need to be at Fanny’s waistline too. She didn't pull the examples out of thin air, she used examples of her own personal views of immorality and then followed it up with something that could be read as 'I don't judge you for your sinful ways, don't judge me for mine'. That last bit where she's asking not to be judged is fine but to prelude it with something that has heavily homophobic undertones just invalidates the whole point of her post. And I think the fact that a number of people in this very thread - and on a bunch of other forums and gossip, music sites - are offended by it is evidence enough that it had SOME impact on people's perception of her. I mean the woman herself deleted it soon after posting it. I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove by calling it some sort of gay overreaction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 0:40:52 GMT -5
I love her new song. I love all her albums. I wish she was more successful because I think she puts out really good albums.
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Post by Rican@ on Jan 2, 2013 1:19:44 GMT -5
But what's offensive? She used the word but nothing such as not support or dislike follow afterward. If that's the case, my fellow potheads need to be at Fanny’s waistline too. She didn't pull the examples out of thin air, she used examples of her own personal views of immorality and then followed it up with something that could be read as 'I don't judge you for your sinful ways, don't judge me for mine'. That last bit where she's asking not to be judged is fine but to prelude it with something that has heavily homophobic undertones just invalidates the whole point of her post. And I think the fact that a number of people in this very thread - and on a bunch of other forums and gossip, music sites - are offended by it is evidence enough that it had SOME impact on people's perception of her. I mean the woman herself deleted it soon after posting it. I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove by calling it some sort of gay overreaction. I'm not calling anything overreacting but in reality, fair is fair. If people are so offended by the usage of the word "gay" then where's the focus on the term "weed". I never quite understand why anyone would be bother by someone's opinion or in this case, a person's screw you message and focus on something else instead of my life. In the end, by the words of the bible, being gay is a sin. So she didn't say anything wrong in that matter as if she agreed with it or not but it is a biblical perspective. It was what she was going for in her post. You may disagree in how she approaches it, fine but she's ignorant or idiot is unnecessary. Ignorance is not being knowledgeable of a certain subject and speaking in a way as if you wrote a book on the subject. It has nothing to do with a cause because that's of choice to support from the individual. Anyway, I'm done with this topic. I should have learned the first time that the "gay" topic is so fragile around these parks and when you're not going with the popular opinions than you're ignorant. So let's me take my ignorant ass to sleep. Eh.
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Post by terrell on Jan 2, 2013 7:05:21 GMT -5
I saw nothing wrong with what she said. Everybody else seems to have no problem speaking their truth directly from their a-hole so let her speak hers. Apparently celebrities are not allowed to speak their minds, because the general public are so morally correct and self-righteous. Right!! People be ready to start a million man march over NOTHING.
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Post by terrell on Jan 2, 2013 7:06:24 GMT -5
She didn't pull the examples out of thin air, she used examples of her own personal views of immorality and then followed it up with something that could be read as 'I don't judge you for your sinful ways, don't judge me for mine'. That last bit where she's asking not to be judged is fine but to prelude it with something that has heavily homophobic undertones just invalidates the whole point of her post. And I think the fact that a number of people in this very thread - and on a bunch of other forums and gossip, music sites - are offended by it is evidence enough that it had SOME impact on people's perception of her. I mean the woman herself deleted it soon after posting it. I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove by calling it some sort of gay overreaction. I'm not calling anything overreacting but in reality, fair is fair. If people are so offended by the usage of the word "gay" then where's the focus on the term "weed". I never quite understand why anyone would be bother by someone's opinion or in this case, a person's screw you message and focus on something else instead of my life. In the end, by the words of the bible, being gay is a sin. So she didn't say anything wrong in that matter as if she agreed with it or not but it is a biblical perspective. It was what she was going for in her post. You may disagree in how she approaches it, fine but she's ignorant or idiot is unnecessary. Ignorance is not being knowledgeable of a certain subject and speaking in a way as if you wrote a book on the subject. It has nothing to do with a cause because that's of choice to support from the individual. Anyway, I'm done with this topic. I should have learned the first time that the "gay" topic is so fragile around these parks and when you're not going with the popular opinions than you're ignorant. So let's me take my ignorant ass to sleep. Eh. LOL!!! I feel you 100%
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Post by Honeymoon on Jan 2, 2013 9:53:53 GMT -5
She didn't pull the examples out of thin air, she used examples of her own personal views of immorality and then followed it up with something that could be read as 'I don't judge you for your sinful ways, don't judge me for mine'. That last bit where she's asking not to be judged is fine but to prelude it with something that has heavily homophobic undertones just invalidates the whole point of her post. And I think the fact that a number of people in this very thread - and on a bunch of other forums and gossip, music sites - are offended by it is evidence enough that it had SOME impact on people's perception of her. I mean the woman herself deleted it soon after posting it. I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove by calling it some sort of gay overreaction. I'm not calling anything overreacting but in reality, fair is fair. If people are so offended by the usage of the word "gay" then where's the focus on the term "weed". I never quite understand why anyone would be bother by someone's opinion or in this case, a person's screw you message and focus on something else instead of my life. In the end, by the words of the bible, being gay is a sin. So she didn't say anything wrong in that matter as if she agreed with it or not but it is a biblical perspective. It was what she was going for in her post. You may disagree in how she approaches it, fine but she's ignorant or idiot is unnecessary. Ignorance is not being knowledgeable of a certain subject and speaking in a way as if you wrote a book on the subject. It has nothing to do with a cause because that's of choice to support from the individual. Anyway, I'm done with this topic. I should have learned the first time that the "gay" topic is so fragile around these parks and when you're not going with the popular opinions than you're ignorant. So let's me take my ignorant ass to sleep. Eh. It's not the word "gay" - it's how she uses it. But I think you know that. No one seems to care about the weed comment because weed smokers aren't really a fundamental part of most people's identity and the reason they are marginalized by some people with this archaic sense of "sanctity" or "purity". I don't think Fantasia is a hateful person and I will continue to buy her albums (assuming they are any good) but I think it was very ill-advised and short-sighted of her to make such statements.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 10:05:30 GMT -5
The problem...well besides the fact that she's hopelessly inarticulate..is that:
a) she's trying to compare apples with oranges. Fantasia is tired of being criticized; fine. But she should have compared her treatment to that of others who have been caught being promiscuous or cheating on someone and not dragged for it (and there are enough examples that she could have done this, in fact, she could have even made an argument for sexism). What do potheads and gays have to do with her? Throwing them all in together in one tweet naturally made people assume that she's homophobic b/c even if she's not, let's face it, a lot of "Christians" are and try to hide behind the righteousness of the Bible to get away with it. If she didn't want to be misinterpreted that way she shouldn't have brought gays up at all.
b) Given the analogy she did try to choose,let's go with the Biblical way of thinking for a moment. All sins are equal, so by that logic all the gays, weed smokers, and adulterers should be frowned upon, right? IOW, complaining that gay people don't get called out while she does doesn't exempt her from the fact that what she did was wrong, and if we did start judging gays we'd still be judging the hell out of her too. Sorry Fanny, you're still a homewrecker.
Oh, and that is not to mention that her tweet was literally incorrect. Gay people still get openly judged a LOT by our society (laws that don't allow them to marry and that make it possible for wills naming a partner as the main benefactor to be overturned by family members being the prime evidence of that). Potheads aren't exactly given high regard, either. Fail your employer's drug test and see what happens. This is a classic 'a hit dog will bark' situation, b/c instead of positing a decent argument she brought up stuff that doesn't have a damn thing to do with her. Several of the people ripping her apart were/are straight women who likely don't smoke weed so...
Gay rights is a touchy subject but it's not even her voicing an opinion that's killing her, it's the way she is voicing that opinion. She's dumb as a box of rocks and classless, and THEN has the nerve to be stubborn and give the impression that she does not listen to good advice to boot. That's probably 98% of the reason why she is not and will not ever be even half as successful as someone with her talents should.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jan 2, 2013 12:11:24 GMT -5
A girl who looks like a tranny and carries herself like a weed-lovin', ratchet project chick doesn't like the fact that people can smoke weed and marry the same sex? Girl, boop. For the record, I own her first 3 albums but I have never really thought she was THAT talented to begin with and her career is going the way of the dinosaur.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jan 2, 2013 13:43:22 GMT -5
Where is that "Fantasia Can't Read" gif. That would be soo fitting right now.
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Post by esoteric76 on Jan 2, 2013 13:49:15 GMT -5
Tweeting/Instagraming is just the worst tool for people who are stupid. There is no understanding of consequences or what have you. I just wish she would either shut up or sing!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 14:09:08 GMT -5
Where is that "Fantasia Can't Read" gif. That would be soo fitting right now.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jan 2, 2013 14:19:33 GMT -5
Her comments were not the best idea, but it's her opinion. But I don't see how making fun of her personal life, reading skills, and physical appearance is the mature thing to do.
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Post by QAF on Jan 2, 2013 14:26:43 GMT -5
That's right folks - the bible don't like no weed smokers or gays but to fantasia getting knocked up in high school, having an affair with a married man, trying to kill yourself and having an abortion? G-d be down with that shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 14:37:45 GMT -5
Tweeting/Instagraming is just the worst tool for people who are stupid. There is no understanding of consequences or what have you. I just wish she would either shut up or sing! Social media has really completely changed the way we view celebrities. It makes me wonder how we would have viewed celebrities like Whitney 20 years ago if they were constantly tweeting their thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 14:49:04 GMT -5
You can say or do anything and your gay stans will forgive you, even when you're saying or doing it to them.
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Post by QAF on Jan 2, 2013 16:58:15 GMT -5
You can say or do anything and your gay stans will forgive you, even when you're saying or doing it to them. Tell that to Donna Summer and I think she will give you a different answer. She made some anti-gay comments during the AIDS epidemic and her career never fully recovered from it.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Jan 2, 2013 19:07:51 GMT -5
You can say or do anything and your gay stans will forgive you, even when you're saying or doing it to them. Tell that to Donna Summer and I think she will give you a different answer. She made some anti-gay comments during the AIDS epidemic and her career never fully recovered from it. Actually there's no proof she actually made the comments, and she always denied it. It's a bit of an urban legend. And I don't think her career was hurt by the comments but by changing tastes in music. But that's another thread...
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Post by QAF on Jan 2, 2013 19:25:23 GMT -5
Whether it's true or not isn't relevant. She was dropped by her gay audience because it was widely believed it was true. And the truth of the matter is that Donna was trying to evolve in her music along with the musical taste of that era.
And the only reason I bring this up is because o flippant remarks that a gay audience will forgive no matter what is said or done as if gay people are that shallow or small minded.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Jan 2, 2013 20:45:57 GMT -5
Whether it's true or not isn't relevant. She was dropped by her gay audience because it was widely believed it was true. And the truth of the matter is that Donna was trying to evolve in her music along with the musical taste of that era. I strongly disagree that she was "dropped" outright by her gay audience. Certainly it hurt her, but Donna was successful well into the late 80's, years after she had supposedly made the comments. (She even performed at Boston Pride in 1989.) This is probably because the internet didn't exist and the comments attributed to her were supposed to have been made during a concert(!) and were never committed to print. The bottom line is she was simply not as successful as in her disco heyday - but no disco artist was. Obviously, she was trying to evolve. If she didn't, she would have been left behind in 1980. Well, I agree with that - I just don't think Donna is the best example to cite. I would actually say Anita Bryant is an ideal candidate given that she was bankrupted through backlash and any musical legacy she had was completely tarnished, then forgotten and consumed by her homophobic crusade.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jan 3, 2013 10:21:38 GMT -5
That's right folks - the bible don't like no weed smokers or gays but to fantasia getting knocked up in high school, having an affair with a married man, trying to kill yourself and having an abortion? G-d be down with that s**t. You have no point and make no sense. You can say or do anything and your gay stans will forgive you, even when you're saying or doing it to them. What is she doing to her gay stans? Both of you need to have a seat.
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Post by musicborn82 on Jan 3, 2013 10:29:08 GMT -5
She said nothing offensive. She's basically saying that if gay people can get married and weed is legalized, then why are her sins/faults so wrongly judged compared to theirs? Gay people are too sensitive jeez...But will be the first one to judge/talk about someone. But God forbids someone says anything about them.. SMH!
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jan 3, 2013 10:39:12 GMT -5
She said nothing offensive. She's basically saying that if gay people can get married and weed is legalized, then why are her sins/faults so wrongly judged compared to theirs? Because she's equating being gay with something negative. There is nothing wrong with me being gay and it isn't a personal choice. It was her personal choice to contiuously sleep with a married man, have an abortion, get knocked up out of wedlock and try to kill herself. I'm not judging her for any of those things, quite frankly it's none of my business, but to equate her crappy personal life choices and the judgement that has come along with them with being gay is a huge insult. It's implying that there's something wrong with being gay. It's the same thing politicians do, trying to equate homosexuality with beastiality and pedophilia. I love Fantasia and I don't think for a second that she's homophobic, but her comments were stupid and terribly worded. And she will pay for them.
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Post by divasummer on Jan 3, 2013 11:21:39 GMT -5
Whether it's true or not isn't relevant. She was dropped by her gay audience because it was widely believed it was true. And the truth of the matter is that Donna was trying to evolve in her music along with the musical taste of that era. I strongly disagree that she was "dropped" outright by her gay audience. Certainly it hurt her, but Donna was successful well into the late 80's, years after she had supposedly made the comments. (She even performed at Boston Pride in 1989.) This is probably because the internet didn't exist and the comments attributed to her were supposed to have been made during a concert(!) and were never committed to print. The bottom line is she was simply not as successful as in her disco heyday - but no disco artist was. Obviously, she was trying to evolve. If she didn't, she would have been left behind in 1980. Well, I agree with that - I just don't think Donna is the best example to cite. I would actually say Anita Bryant is an ideal candidate given that she was bankrupted through backlash and any musical legacy she had was completely tarnished, then forgotten and consumed by her homophobic crusade. I don't believe Donna actually sang at a 1989 Boston Gay Pride event. I believe people protested not to play her music at one of the bigger events. "This Time I know It's For Real" was really starting to get her played in the Gay clubs again around that time and that was what the protest was about. If she was in town around that time I don't believe it was for a Gay event. I only remember hearing her sing at a Kiss 108 concert around that time. I'm not sure if it actually on Gay Pride though I could be wrong though.
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Post by K. on Jan 3, 2013 11:44:57 GMT -5
I think it's possible her post was a publicity stunt. That message could resonate with some of the people she might want to buy her new album/single...
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Post by kidrockthemic on Jan 3, 2013 12:42:55 GMT -5
This is getting ridiculous. I think it's wrong of us to try and paint her as a gay bashing, hateful woman when clearly she's not. She could have phrased what she said in a more tactful way, but I'm sure everybody understood the point she was trying to make. I didn't get offended because I think it's immature to get upset by every comment that is not overwhelming in favor of gay marriage. Some people don't agree for whatever reason and that's a choice they make. I can't think of a single person that I agree with on everything. I don't automatically feel judged and hated because they don't agree with my life. It's MINE. Many of those who are upset that she was "passing judgment" are in turn doing the same thing to her...again. So what makes us any better?
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Post by musicborn82 on Jan 3, 2013 12:57:49 GMT -5
This is getting ridiculous. I think it's wrong of us to try and paint her as a gay bashing, hateful woman when clearly she's not. She could have phrased what she said in a more tactful way, but I'm sure everybody understood the point she was trying to make. I didn't get offended because I think it's immature to get upset by every comment that is not overwhelming in favor of gay marriage. Some people don't agree for whatever reason and that's a choice they make. I can't think of a single person that I agree with on everything. I don't automatically feel judged and hated because they don't agree with my life. It's MINE. Many of those who are upset that she was "passing judgment" are in turn doing the same thing to her...again. So what makes us any better? couldn't have said it any better!!!
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Post by Kishi KCM on Jan 3, 2013 12:57:55 GMT -5
^ EXACTLY.
For the record, I am a Fantasia fan, I am queer, and I do believe in human rights, equality, and gay marriage. But using foul language and slander on a public message board is an ineffective and useless way of expressing outrage.
Pointing out and judging one's flaws/actions doesn't make your opinion more valid, it just makes you look bitter and immature. :)
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Post by Rican@ on Jan 3, 2013 13:20:32 GMT -5
Oh my preach it! Get some sense in this place ugh!
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Post by Jay D83 on Jan 3, 2013 14:12:13 GMT -5
She has the right to say what she wants.
I, in turn have the right to have a problem with what she says, scoff in her face, flip my weave and not buy her s**t.
Case closed.
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