"Face Down" by Red Jumpsuit Apparatus

[shocker]

I don't know about this one. Does anybody else think the lyrics are creepy-sounding?

Domestic violence is the topic. The lyrics don't glorify it, but just the mood of the song freaks me out.

What's the reaction among the rest of you? Like, dislike, or what?

[Kid Pulse]

I didn't like it, but it's growing on me.

[MinusName]

I fell in love with this song last June. Here we are, a June later.

I never found the lyrics to be creepy-sounding. I'm not surprised this is charting at Hot AC, but I am surprised that it is doing well enough to possibly go top 25 soon.

[atlantaboy]

This song has always bothered me, even since they began playing it at Alternative - can't tell if the singer's trying to stop men from beating their spouses, or if he's trying to make women feel better by getting the issue out there

[Kid Pulse]

I didn't expect this to go top 20 here, but look at it.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but songs don't reach hit-status at Hot AC this late after peaking on pop as much as they did for a time period a few years ago. Am I right?

[tortuga]

You guys are such babies if you find this song creepy.

[atlantaboy]

video545 said:

I didn't expect this to go top 20 here, but look at it.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but songs don't reach hit-status at Hot AC this late after peaking on pop as much as they did for a time period a few years ago. Am I right?

I think this late Hot AC surge has a lot to do with the acoustic version of this track (which many Hot AC stations are now playing) being released - I don't think it was initially available

[Kid Pulse]

This has been in-and-out of the top 20 lately, but I think it might stay out for good now.

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I think in 2 or 3 weeks, this goes recurrent if below #15. I don't understand why Fall Out Boy's latest is becoming a big hit here, but this isn't. I like this song better.

[mrclimbfall20]

video545 said:

This has been in-and-out of the top 20 lately, but I think it might stay out for good now.

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I think in 2 or 3 weeks, this goes recurrent if below #15. I don't understand why Fall Out Boy's latest is becoming a big hit here, but this isn't. I like this song better.

Maybe because they scream a little more than Fall Out and is a little "harder" than most music on the chart. I personally like this song and wished it was a bigger hit here too, but oh well...that's Hot AC for ya.

[atlantaboy]

mrclimbfall20 said:

video545 said:

This has been in-and-out of the top 20 lately, but I think it might stay out for good now.

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I think in 2 or 3 weeks, this goes recurrent if below #15. I don't understand why Fall Out Boy's latest is becoming a big hit here, but this isn't. I like this song better.

Maybe because they scream a little more than Fall Out and is a little "harder" than most music on the chart. I personally like this song and wished it was a bigger hit here too, but oh well...that's Hot AC for ya.

Sorry to bring this up again but I think the reason this song isn't doing as well as Fall Out Boy on HAC is b/c of the overly aggressive lyrics - I think many adults just don't want to hear a song about a guy beating his wife - FOB has much more "fun" lyrics (although I really don't like them)

There's a popular unplugged version of this song that doesn't have any "screaming" so IMO that doesn't have much to do with it -

[Kid Pulse]

atlantaboy said:

mrclimbfall20 said:

Maybe because they scream a little more than Fall Out and is a little "harder" than most music on the chart. I personally like this song and wished it was a bigger hit here too, but oh well...that's Hot AC for ya.

Sorry to bring this up again but I think the reason this song isn't doing as well as Fall Out Boy on HAC is b/c of the overly aggressive lyrics - I think many adults just don't want to hear a song about a guy beating his wife - FOB has much more "fun" lyrics (although I really don't like them)

There's a popular unplugged version of this song that doesn't have any "screaming" so IMO that doesn't have much to do with it -

Yeah but isn't "Thnks fr Th Mrms" about a one-night-stand? If so, that song deals with the topic with less sensitivity than this does about man-to-woman violence.

[mrclimbfall20]

atlantaboy said:

mrclimbfall20 said:

Maybe because they scream a little more than Fall Out and is a little "harder" than most music on the chart. I personally like this song and wished it was a bigger hit here too, but oh well...that's Hot AC for ya.

Sorry to bring this up again but I think the reason this song isn't doing as well as Fall Out Boy on HAC is b/c of the overly aggressive lyrics - I think many adults just don't want to hear a song about a guy beating his wife - FOB has much more "fun" lyrics (although I really don't like them)

There's a popular unplugged version of this song that doesn't have any "screaming" so IMO that doesn't have much to do with it -

"Push"by Matchbox 20 can viewed as a song like that and it excelled on this chart.

[atlantaboy]

mrclimbfall20 said:

atlantaboy said:

Sorry to bring this up again but I think the reason this song isn't doing as well as Fall Out Boy on HAC is b/c of the overly aggressive lyrics - I think many adults just don't want to hear a song about a guy beating his wife - FOB has much more "fun" lyrics (although I really don't like them)

There's a popular unplugged version of this song that doesn't have any "screaming" so IMO that doesn't have much to do with it -

"Push"by Matchbox 20 can viewed as a song like that and it excelled on this chart.

I remember when "Push" came out that Rob Thomas made it clear that he was NOT talking about physical aggression but mental mind games - that was actually a big deal back then

[atlantaboy]

video545 said:

atlantaboy said:

Sorry to bring this up again but I think the reason this song isn't doing as well as Fall Out Boy on HAC is b/c of the overly aggressive lyrics - I think many adults just don't want to hear a song about a guy beating his wife - FOB has much more "fun" lyrics (although I really don't like them)

There's a popular unplugged version of this song that doesn't have any "screaming" so IMO that doesn't have much to do with it -

Yeah but isn't "Thnks fr Th Mrms" about a one-night-stand? If so, that song deals with the topic with less sensitivity than this does about man-to-woman violence.

Yeah but IMO it's not as direct as "Face Down" and adult-based bands have been singin about one night stands since the 80s (Heart, Bryan Adams, etc.)

- also, Thnks Fr Th Mmrs isn't doing THAT well on HAC - I was more thinkin about their first two singles that were really playful (so not much resistence from HAC listeners)

I think FOB comes across in general as upbeat whereas Red Jumpsuit Apparatus definitely doesn't (judging by one song) - then again, there are many HACs which play Linkin Park and they should have no problem with RJA :)

[mrclimbfall20]

atlantaboy said:

mrclimbfall20 said:

"Push"by Matchbox 20 can viewed as a song like that and it excelled on this chart.

I remember when "Push" came out that Rob Thomas made it clear that he was NOT talking about physical aggression but mental mind games - that was actually a big deal back then

Yeah I remember that too, but I was just meant that some people might have interpreted that as physical abuse if they didn't hear him make that clear.

[atlantaboy]

mrclimbfall20 said:

atlantaboy said:

I remember when "Push" came out that Rob Thomas made it clear that he was NOT talking about physical aggression but mental mind games - that was actually a big deal back then

Yeah I remember that too, but I was just meant that some people might have interpreted that as physical abuse if they didn't hear him make that clear.

Yeah - and it was a really melodic song from a huge CD that was prob. marketed to beginning Hot AC stations back then big time - the verses to "Push" had a lot of melody to them (if that makes sense :) where the verses to "Face Down" I don't think anyone could say are very melodic, or sung very melodically (I'm jumblin around big words) - also, I think the fact that "Push" was at least mentally aggressive kept it from otherwise hitting #1 like "3 A M" did

I think it's weird how the AC "soft rock" station it ATL plays "Push" now - so I guess no one considers it aggressive nowadays if it's "soft rock"

[mrclimbfall20]

atlantaboy said:

mrclimbfall20 said:

Yeah I remember that too, but I was just meant that some people might have interpreted that as physical abuse if they didn't hear him make that clear.

Yeah - and it was a really melodic song from a huge CD that was prob. marketed to beginning Hot AC stations back then big time - the verses to "Push" had a lot of melody to them (if that makes sense :) where the verses to "Face Down" I don't think anyone could say are very melodic, or sung very melodically (I'm jumblin around big words) - also, I think the fact that "Push" was at least mentally aggressive kept it from otherwise hitting #1 like "3 A M" did

I think it's weird how the AC "soft rock" station it ATL plays "Push" now - so I guess no one considers it aggressive nowadays if it's "soft rock"

That's funny cause down the road I bet people will think the same about "Face Down" LOL

[Kid Pulse]

If this were a song from 1995, I doubt the 30 year olds would find this offensive to listen to.

[atlantaboy]

video545 said:

If this were a song from 1995, I doubt the 30 year olds would find this offensive to listen to.

What'do ya mean? :) Don't think they're offended by it, they just would rather IMO not listen to it (people well into their 30s mostly)

Back in '95 "You Oughta Know" by Alanis M. was considered contraversial and a lot HAC's were reluctant to play it - "Face Down" wouldn't have touched HAC back then, but IMO it would've been a big hit on CHR (esp. cause lots of CHRs leaned alternative back then)

[MinusName]

After 14 months, I am beyond sick of this song. It's rare for me to go from completely loving a song to hating it. But that's what happened with this. I thought this band was underrated in the beginning, but this song was pretty much murdered by the overkill on Alternative (the longest running song in chart history) and Pop and now even Hot AC. Just let this song die already!

[Kid Pulse]

atlantaboy said:

video545 said:

If this were a song from 1995, I doubt the 30 year olds would find this offensive to listen to.

What'do ya mean? :) Don't think they're offended by it, they just would rather IMO not listen to it (people well into their 30s mostly)

Back in '95 "You Oughta Know" by Alanis M. was considered contraversial and a lot HAC's were reluctant to play it - "Face Down" wouldn't have touched HAC back then, but IMO it would've been a big hit on CHR (esp. cause lots of CHRs leaned alternative back then)

I just mean the fact that the song is a 2007 hit might be the reason 30+ year-olds don't like it. If it was a song from "back in the day", it would be "no big deal", but since it's from today, they might be saying "look what music has come to". Just my guess. :)


And what's so bad about "You Oughta Know"? Just wondering-

[mrclimbfall20]

minusname said:

After 14 months, I am beyond sick of this song. It's rare for me to go from completely loving a song to hating it. But that's what happened with this. I thought this band was underrated in the beginning, but this song was pretty much murdered by the overkill on Alternative (the longest running song in chart history) and Pop and now even Hot AC. Just let this song die already!

That's strange because it doesn't seem like it would have that stay power, or whatever, because it's not exactly unique sounding nor are they a big band.

[atlantaboy]

video545 said:

atlantaboy said:

What'do ya mean? :) Don't think they're offended by it, they just would rather IMO not listen to it (people well into their 30s mostly)

Back in '95 "You Oughta Know" by Alanis M. was considered contraversial and a lot HAC's were reluctant to play it - "Face Down" wouldn't have touched HAC back then, but IMO it would've been a big hit on CHR (esp. cause lots of CHRs leaned alternative back then)

I just mean the fact that the song is a 2007 hit might be the reason 30+ year-olds don't like it. If it was a song from "back in the day", it would be "no big deal", but since it's from today, they might be saying "look what music has come to". Just my guess. :)


And what's so bad about "You Oughta Know"? Just wondering-

Oh I get it you mean if it were an old song people in their 30s today would be used to it

"You Oughta Know" was pretty controversial w/ older listeners when it came out in '95 b/c it was so direct and had lines like "Are you thinkin of me when you f--- her?" and even "Would you go down on me in a theater" which back then was almost unheard of in a Top 40 song

[shocker]

atlantaboy said:

"You Oughta Know" was pretty controversial w/ older listeners when it came out in '95 b/c it was so direct and had lines like "Are you thinkin of me when you f--- her?" and even "Would you go down on me in a theater" which back then was almost unheard of in a Top 40 song

Even without the controversial lyrics, it was more suited for alternative at that time because of its hard-rock nature.

Also, nobody had really heard of Alanis until then; so her 1st impression was this angst-sounding song - not the lighter hits she would have later on.

But around 1997 or so when Hot AC went more pop-alternative, an increasing number of modern AC stations started playing this as a recurrent. I remember that Y98 in St. Louis refused to spin it because they chose to remain a conservative Hot AC.

[mrclimbfall20]

shocker said:

atlantaboy said:

"You Oughta Know" was pretty controversial w/ older listeners when it came out in '95 b/c it was so direct and had lines like "Are you thinkin of me when you f--- her?" and even "Would you go down on me in a theater" which back then was almost unheard of in a Top 40 song

Even without the controversial lyrics, it was more suited for alternative at that time because of its hard-rock nature.

Also, nobody had really heard of Alanis until then; so her 1st impression was this angst-sounding song - not the lighter hits she would have later on.

But around 1997 or so when Hot AC went more pop-alternative, an increasing number of modern AC stations started playing this as a recurrent. I remember that Y98 in St. Louis refused to spin it because they chose to remain a conservative Hot AC.

Like Star 94.1!

[Kid Pulse]

Will they send this to recurrent even if it keeps gaining?


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